really?!

Last time I brought up this issue to an anti-immigrant group, all I heard was crickets. Then I asked them how many of them were Native American descent . . . none? Oh, sorry, I guess being the only one with actual Native American ancestry I'm the only one who can complain. Europeans stole this land, and now they're upset it's being stolen from them. Oh, the irony. Only, irony doesn't apply when you're too stupid to read basic history.

So whats yer point?

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From what I understand these groups just want to stop illegal immigration so lets make legal immigration much easier. Then only dangerous people would be trying to sneak in.

There is a serious flaw in this guy's argument. He's absolutely right that Europeans weren't invited here and committed genocide in order to colonize. But that doesn't really have anything to do with immigration. The land was taken from his ancestors by force. If any of the nutters he's yelling at were capable of thought beyond that of a parrot, they might point out that those who wish to immigrate illegally are free to try to take it by force themselves.

This land is my land.

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We also own the moon.

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You're argument is flawed as well. Generally speaking, people immigrating here (legally or not) aren't trying to take military control over the country. They just want a better life. To compare a group of impoverished "huddled masses, yearning to breath free," to a military force is ridiculous. Do you seriously equate illegal immigration to military invasion? Do you think Mexicans coming to the US should roll over the border with tanks and stealth bombers in order to pick our apples and dig our onions out of the dirt?

Your words suggest that anything taken by force is justified.

Awesome.

I am a little perplexed by your interpretation because it seems you are just agreeing with what @jonny said. The comparison of military invasion versus illegal immigration is the one to which the Native American fellow in the video is alluding. He's almost speaking as if the murderous conquest of this land somehow equates with illegals trying to make a home here. (That's the "serious flaw" jonny referenced.)

But I think all the guy's really saying is "You're here illegally too, so STFU... P.S. Fuck you and your ancestors for waging genocide against my ancestors."

I trust your sentiments for promoting this viddy include some overtones of racism-May I point out once again (and god we know how people hate to reflect upon their past mistakes), that in your history here on the VS burdturg, you mistakenly construed a remark I made as racist? As none recall save myself (since I was banned because of your OVERREACTION and not welcomed back until the old gaurd fizzled-out), YOU took personal offense when there was only derision directed at your manner, tone because I used the word "monkey" to try and relay my disgust for your PROCESS....

The internet has no color, brother and had I known your were a black man I would have used other language to describe your fucking idiocy at the time-

Why choose here to voice my grievance? Because I lost a few years on a site I love to your ignorance and attitude. I probably deserved it, I was a prick to a lot of people, and I offer an olive branch and a formal apology for ruffling your feathers.

Now-About these imbeciles protesting something they have no control over. Their signs should read-"We fucked-up and watched as 6 Administrations fucked us in the ass, and now were whining."

"Fast and Furious Social Destabilization-More Guns For Criminal Nationals From Mexico to Incite Race-Hatred...Fuck You Obama, Bush(s), Clinton, Reagan, Ford, Carter and Johnson."

Thrown in a few drunk native-Americans left to represent the pack and hurl insults at other ineffectual monkeys, and you've got a bunch of inteffectuals who'd be better off in Washington on the white house lawn, camping-out until something is done about the white fucks running the show.
You have to know at this stage in the game, that racism is used to incite idiots to make decisions (react) when they have no actual say in the decisions concocted for them because of a fucking broken government, or in the case of the United States, one that has been hijacked by criminal cunts. This includes immigration and the social destabilization that comes from the continuing dilution of our culture, language, and western civilization in general.

^ blah blah blah Its not always about you

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ha ha. who's illegal? thats right.. when their wearen't borders theire was free trade. many people went south or north to trade. of course till ships started to bring unwanted people to start a new lives. but all I say is AWESOME!!!

I'm not really making an argument, just critiquing the one offered in the video. As Lucky points out, we're in agreement that it is ridiculous to compare territorial conquest by military force to immigration. My last statement about how the parrot protestors could respond is to point out the absurdity of that comparison (and to point out their ignorance in regards to the benefits of immigration). I also agree with Lucky's interpretation of the guy's message and with the message itself.

From a moral perspective, I don't believe that successfully taking something by force is self-justifying. On the other hand, the use of force at the level of geopolitics is often self-justifying, even if we find it morally repugnant as individuals.

So while one is illegal but not overly unethical, the other is both illegal and very unethical. So could the guy's point be "Hey, you're even worse than illegal immigrants so why are you bitching?"

I guess it's just semantics. I'm sorry for making an issue of it, especially since it seems that anytime I speak here I'm confronted by a psychopathic sock puppet.

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