stupid government

Looks like everything is getting lost in the bureaucracy. Those laws seem to have been in place for a reason (not digging in national parks, etc). I would assume it's something akin to keeping off the sand dunes to prevent destruction of habitat for the local wildlife.

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Privatized police for the win!

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Why would this be a rule that was established beforehand? I see old people on Florida beaches using metal detectors and digging holes in the sand all the time. You're telling me they couldn't do that before?

So now Americans can't even bury their heads in the sand? Bah!

OBAMA!!!!

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Frankly the two dudes that told him off came off looking worse.

The guy had a plastic shovel doing a shallow patch on the beach. Same as what someone could probably do with their feet. It's not like there is a line of 50 different media persons going to the same beach doing the same thing and ruining the beach for the wildlife etc.

He'd already dug a bit, the guard could have stood watch to see if they went on to do anything else and if not just let that go. If it becomes a problem where a significant amount of others are copying him or if he was digging any deeper sure take action. Complete and total lack of common sense.

Frankly if an idiot person wants to smear oil all over their face knowing the harm it could cause it's their problem. the whole I must save you from yourself mentality is much too common. I mean feel free to talk up to people to warn them of the dangers but being all tough telling people oh you can't do that cuz it's the rules is just being arsey.

We US citizens are quite good at burying our heads in the sand and not seeing what goes on around us... thank you very much. Especially when our government is shoving it's proverbial dick in freedom's ass.

>> ^demon_ix:

So now Americans can't even bury their heads in the sand? Bah!

"Your papers please!"

Haha. Way to go statist idiots.

1. I can just tell by look at the digging, if they went a few more inches down, there would be lots of oil all over the place. I wish they would say, Yeap, there is tons of oil under the sand, its a mess don't go digging in it.

2. I LOLed at the dude who said "Are you looking for Oil product?" Who the F says " Oil product. "

errrrr,mmmmmm. Sir are you looking for Oil product? What a geek-neck.

State Parks normally have very strict rules like this to protect the habitat. For example, here in NY you cannot camp within 100' of any trail or water source except at certain designated spots. You must use already-downed wood for camp fires and you can't have any fires above 3500' except during the winter.

The 'authorities' in this video were a little douchey, but I don't see anything wrong with the laws.

...could do without the melodramatic title and description. Just because the reporter is trying to spin this into a government conspiracy doesn't mean you have to take the bait.

one step closer to a police state?

shut

the

fuck

up

spend some time in china, laos, iran, or (to a lesser extent) russia, or get yerself a time travel machine, head back to italy or germany leading up to wwii or communist russia. compare them with us and tell me how close we are to a police state stupid fuck

Stupid fuck?

I've lived in Vietnam and spent time in Laos, not that you would be genuinely interested beyond throwing insults around. The line reads 'One step closer...' Its intention is to make you think. In your case, your capacity to think appears to extend to personal insults, but you're probably not the target audience.

Ironically, I've argued with you against ignorance about the military on previous posts: http://videosift.com/video/Frank-interview-with-a-serving-Australian-soldier

>> ^smooman:

one step closer to a police state?
shut
the
fuck
up
spend some time in china, laos, iran, or (to a lesser extent) russia, or get yerself a time travel machine, head back to italy or germany leading up to wwii or communist russia. compare them with us and tell me how close we are to a police state stupid fuck


Yeah, you maybe right surely not a POLICE state; but how about a CORPORATE state?

http://www.alternet.org/story/148202/disney,_chevron_and_monsanto_contracted_with_blackwater_for_intelligence,_training_and_security_services

75% of the oil is gone.
Can we study the oil plume's in the water?
No the microbes are eating them and there are no oil plumes.
How much oil is going to reach the shore?
The dispecsents have succeeded and an insignificant amount of oil reached the shore.
Can I see how much oil came to shore and got washed over by sand?.............

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>> ^smooman:

one step closer to a police state?
shut
the
fuck
up
spend some time in china, laos, iran, or (to a lesser extent) russia, or get yerself a time travel machine, head back to italy or germany leading up to wwii or communist russia. compare them with us and tell me how close we are to a police state stupid fuck


How much time did you spend in China, Laos, Iran or Russia? Just curious.

Here's a script that I just came up with, for when you are digging on a beach and the cops show up.

"Can you show me the specific statute that says a member of the media cannot dig on a public beach?"

"Can you show me the specific statute that says a citizen cannot dig on a public beach, for that matter?"

Then when he can't or won't produce it ask him if he will take you to a supervisor so that you can ask them.

Don't be belligerent about it, but don't let them push you around. Remember I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, just as a concerned citizen I think it's bullshit.

By the by, I still cannot find the statute on google that says you cant dig. Any google-fu masters out there?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/building-sand-castles-floridas-beaches-illegal-feds-oilhunting-reporter/

>> ^smooman:

one step closer to a police state?
shut
the
fuck
up
spend some time in china, laos, iran, or (to a lesser extent) russia, or get yerself a time travel machine, head back to italy or germany leading up to wwii or communist russia. compare them with us and tell me how close we are to a police state stupid fuck

Your lung cancer is bad?


shut

the

fuck

up

Spend some time with testicular cancer, brain cancer, prostate cancer, renal cancer, or (to a lesser extent) Leukemia, or get yerself a time travel machine, head back to the 1340s for some Black Death or the 1980s for AIDS. Compare them with your lung cancer and tell me how bad you have it, stupid fuck.

See how dumb that sounds?

perhaps i was a bit rash with my comment =P

and blankfist; apples to oranges my friend. an absurd comparison of statements (although i upvoted for creativity)

do we have a problem in the US with police overstepping their bounds? most assuredly. Is it anywhere near as freedom threatening as its been made out to be? I dont think so but that could be argued otherwise (Britain is worse imo)

Recently its just been a major peeve of mine that grab words like police-state or fascist are thrown around as a metaphor for something an individual doesnt like and rarely has any ties to the original context of the word(s). In the same way that anyone invoking Godwins Law is annoying as shit

have i spent time in china, laos, etc? no, but i can very much objectively say that policed oppression of freedoms occur in those countries more broadly and in much higher frequencies than here in the US. I have, however, spent two extended tours (3 years in total) in afghanistan. Now while the oppression their is slightly different the principles are more or less the same.

so if it would please the Sift Court, allow me to apologize for my reckless comment and rephrase it in a way that is both appropriate and polite =)

*ahem* based on what i saw in the video, there is some badge bullying occurring, however, i dont think it is conclusive that based on this video alone that our liberties as individuals are being threatened by any stretch of the imagination......asshats (pottymouth, hard habbit to break =P)

NordlichReiter presented an excellent response to this "dilemma"

And thus a Great Internet Wrong was righted, and the online forces of Good and Evil found another front at which to wage their ongoing war.

And sure - 'Police State' is hyperbole. As an Australian, I just find the idea of anyone telling me whether I can or can't dig sand on a beach is way over the line. It's like parks in Paris where you can't sit on the grass.

That doesn't seem quite balanced to say "Police State" is hyperbole. The similarities are striking between this and what it was like to live in Stalinist Russia, where you also couldn't dig holes in National Parks.

The contemporary similarities are even more chilling. In Laos, for example, they don't even let you see the beaches. The same is true for Switzerland. Coincidence? I think not.

A government that presumes to instruct its citizens on the depth of the holes they dig at the beach is showing an absolute disregard and contempt for the humanity of the people it claims to represent. The fact is every country in the world is a police state, save the few with the weakest governments, which nevertheless aspire to the same condition. All of our popular political models are shaped around an immutable core of fascism, democracy most of all, cannot be redeemed and ought to be discarded.

Police is OP! Nerf Police.

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Step away from there citizen! it has always been illegal to dig in the sand...

and we have always been at war with east-asia...

we don't live in a police state, not yet. give it a few more decades as more and more apathetic people grow from children to adult. then make no mistake, we will be cattle.

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>> ^moopysnooze:
Frankly the two dudes that told him off came off looking worse.
The guy had a plastic shovel doing a shallow patch on the beach. Same as what someone could probably do with their feet. It's not like there is a line of 50 different media persons going to the same beach doing the same thing and ruining the beach for the wildlife etc.
He'd already dug a bit, the guard could have stood watch to see if they went on to do anything else and if not just let that go. If it becomes a problem where a significant amount of others are copying him or if he was digging any deeper sure take action. Complete and total lack of common sense.
Frankly if an idiot person wants to smear oil all over their face knowing the harm it could cause it's their problem. the whole I must save you from yourself mentality is much too common. I mean feel free to talk up to people to warn them of the dangers but being all tough telling people oh you can't do that cuz it's the rules is just being arsey.


Not completely true. Same principle with seatbelts... It affects you, until I pay for your insurance because of the medical bills, or I pay for your hospital stay because you did not have insurance... I.e, what you do affects my pocket book.

No seatbelt means higher cost to insurance company which gets passed on. No insurance means the hospital pays, and passes it on to me. Rubbing oil is the same prinicple.

>> ^xxovercastxx:
State Parks normally have very strict rules like this to protect the habitat. For example, here in NY you cannot camp within 100' of any trail or water source except at certain designated spots. You must use already-downed wood for camp fires and you can't have any fires above 3500' except during the winter.
The 'authorities' in this video were a little douchey, but I don't see anything wrong with the laws.


How could the authorities come off as good with these douche laws? I mean it would be like...having to enforce a ban on farts... All in all they did not try to cuss, threaten, arrest or grab the camera and smash it... (At least the official did not, the other guy was a bit more a douche...) I agree with you in principle... just sucks...

@blankfist This is not about police state Blank, this is about Oligarchy...

So an oligarchy couldn't be a police state? Good to know.

Wow this thread is full of unnecessary inflammatory comments/generalizations/assumptions.

Discussion turned to shit real quick because of a mislabeling of the video so that it garners more votes. Good job, @kymbos.

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>> ^triumphtigercub:

OBAMA!!!!


I'm so disappointed.

>> ^triumphtigercub:

>> ^triumphtigercub:
OBAMA!!!!

I'm so disappointed.


So disappointed in what? the fact that nobody took your bait, so you had to quote yourself?