"Fuck someone else, ass is on the grass, fuck off thanx. "

Edit because we have sensitive people, Thats what I would say to Her vagina and bewbs and everything else connected. tootles baby !

So... wait, Mormons are cool now?

What the fuck is jealousy? Is it indoctrinated by these polygamy-haters like the rest of the deal?

*quality x1000.

Boosting this quality contribution up in the Hot Listing - declared quality by Lendl.

Even a brilliant finook deciding what's unnatural is like having the color-blind naming colors.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but promiscuity has been the norm for gay males and it's hell on them physically, mentally and emotionally.

constant generalization and blanket statements can't be wrong, can they?

First time I disagree with Dan... strange.

Sure, he's right that some people are wired for short-term and open relationships, but many people are absolutely wired for long-term monogamy.

He seems to be making the same mistake that gets repeated endlessly in advice columns and op-eds: assuming everyone is wired like he is.

http://videosift.com/video/A-Nice-Response-to-Gay-Marriage-Being-Called-Unnatural

Same goes for monogamy.... and bonobos are a matriarchal society

>> ^chilaxe:

Sure, he's right that some people are wired for short-term and open relationships, but many people are absolutely wired for long-term monogamy.
He seems to be making the same mistake that gets repeated endlessly in advice columns and op-eds: assume everyone is wired like he is.


Monogamy is natural. Man wanted to spread his seed and so he began owning woman. Property rights, baby--think of it that way. But moving on from that horrible fact; we are mostly wired the way society allots. Not saying it is good, and not saying it is bad.

Besides, I call monogamy "Situational Monogamy." I ask myself, what difference does it make if you are with two people at one time or one person one week, and one the next? Oh, that's right, it is morally convenient and we deem ourselves better.

He never mentions jealousy really. That feeling I get when I think of a girl I love with another guy. I get murderously angry - I mean it's the first time i ever thought i could seriously murder someone. Am I to repress that and shrug it off Mr Savage?

I'm in agreement with him that it should be more honest that even in a monogamous relationship, you'll still be attracted to other people. But it doesn't excuse acting on it. If you want some variety in your sex life, try different things with your partner you've committed to. That's sort of the entire point, isn't it? Or use some other coping mechanisms like watching porn or whatever from time to time.

There are urges I have everyday that I don't act on.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Even a brilliant finook deciding what's unnatural is like having the color-blind naming colors.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but promiscuity has been the norm for gay males and it's hell on them physically, mentally and emotionally.


You might want to ease off the slurs lest you find yourself banned. If I'm not mistaken, you've been nailed for blurting them out on a few occasions so I suspect you'd be gone for good this time.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Even a brilliant finook deciding what's unnatural is like having the color-blind naming colors.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but promiscuity has been the norm for gay males and it's hell on them physically, mentally and emotionally.


Congrats Q, you're only thirty years behind the times and catching up fast!

>> ^Enzoblue:

He never mentions jealousy really. That feeling I get when I think of a girl I love with another guy. I get murderously angry - I mean it's the first time i ever thought i could seriously murder someone. Am I to repress that and shrug it off Mr Savage?


Um, the thoughts of murdering someone you love? I would say, yes, suppress those...

But really--is it love or is it more a butchered version of ownership? I think I knew what true love was when a girl I cared for deeply went to another man--and I only wanted her to be happy. Before that, I only knew something slightly less than love.

He stated his point, and most of you missed it because he didn't state it clearly enough.

He's not saying that promiscuity is good for a relationship. He's not saying that it's OK to step out of a committed monogamous relationship. He's not saying that a woman shouldn't feel jealous of her man. These are your words and thoughts, not his.

He's ONLY saying that
1) cheating once shouldn't necessarily mean the relationship is over; and
2) if you want to fuck someone else, it doesn't mean you don't still love your partner.

Watch it again. All the rest of what you're arguing are your words in his mouth. Hear what the guy's saying.

Specifically: @Enzoblue, you're confusing sex with love. Maybe you'd go just as crazy if she were just fucking some guy and clearly not in love, and that's fine. You can hate that she isn't satisfied by you, but it's the lack of satisfaction, not the cheating that's the problem, as long as she's not in love with another guy.

@heropsycho, he doesn't say cheating is good or excusable. He has often said (and should have reiterated here) that cheating is a horrible thing to do to your partner if you have agreed to be monogamous. His only adjustment to the current dynamic is that monogamy is overrated, and cheating shouldn't be considered as bad as it is.

@Lawdeedaw, monogamy isn't natural. At no point in time or space except now in the Western world have men been expected to be monogamous. There's biological evidence that suggests human males are built to have more than one mate. (If you ask for it, I'll see if I can find it online).

@quantumushroom, he's not speaking as a Gay man, but as a sexual historian. He says the concept of mutual monogamy didn't exist until 60 years ago, and uses that evidence as his basis for his claim that it's not natural, that it's a modern social construct.

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@messenger

Males are not monogamous. Yes, I agree. Your words indicate that I said contrary, which I did not.

That doesn't mean monogamy is unnatural. (Swans are a good example. One mate, one life.) I was eluding to women being built towards one man taking care of his seed in a constantly reliable manner... Even if that one male is laying his seed all around.

What Savage is also saying, in addition to your point; around 60 years ago relationships began to lose the "property" aspect (A good thing.) "But instead allowing women to have the same sort of freedom and leeway as men we put the same limitations on men..."

In other words, instead of a free-free relationship, we moved from a master-slave relationship society to a slave-slave relationship society...

@Lawdeedaw

This is a point I'll have to reflect on, thanks for the angle. I'm obviously uncomfortable with my murderous thoughts on this subject.

@messenger

Sex is love in my opinion. I've always thought the "I love you but you don't satisfy me physically" is just an excuse for a deeper need not being met. Namely sexual freedom. Most women seem repressed when in a relationship they want to work, and more free with someone whose consequence free.

I agree with everything you said except that sex, demonstrably, isn't love, unless I'm missing your meaning. Do you mean that sex should only happen between people who love each other, or that if someone desires sex with someone else, it means they love them?>> ^Enzoblue:

Sex is love in my opinion. I've always thought the "I love you but you don't satisfy me physically" is just an excuse for a deeper need not being met. Namely sexual freedom. Most women seem repressed when in a relationship they want to work, and more free with someone whose consequence free.

>> ^messenger:

I agree with everything you said except that sex, demonstrably, isn't love, unless I'm missing your meaning. Do you mean that sex should only happen between people who love each other, or that if someone desires sex with someone else, it means they love them?>> ^Enzoblue:
Sex is love in my opinion. I've always thought the "I love you but you don't satisfy me physically" is just an excuse for a deeper need not being met. Namely sexual freedom. Most women seem repressed when in a relationship they want to work, and more free with someone whose consequence free.



This is my theory k? I believe sex is love, and when someone wants sex without love, what they essentially want is the feeling of being loved without all the hassle. Like if you want to be happy without making your life better, you can do drugs or drink. It's an end run around the work. What's more like love than complete freedom where you can tear into someone passionately with no barriers? Most women feel thay can only really do that with a stranger who won't judge them, (or they don't car if they judge them), and that there's no consequence to their behaviour. If it is purely physical, why not just masterbate? Because they want that feeling of complete acceptance from another human being. Isn't that the definition of love?

Sex can also be about one other strong emotion--control. It is the reason, mostly, for rape (Sorry to use the word.)

But I am glad I could provide a secondary perspective in the previous comments. And, these comments you make in this post, really awesome--and you taught me a secondary perspective too.

>> ^Enzoblue:

>> ^messenger:
I agree with everything you said except that sex, demonstrably, isn't love, unless I'm missing your meaning. Do you mean that sex should only happen between people who love each other, or that if someone desires sex with someone else, it means they love them?>> ^Enzoblue:
Sex is love in my opinion. I've always thought the "I love you but you don't satisfy me physically" is just an excuse for a deeper need not being met. Namely sexual freedom. Most women seem repressed when in a relationship they want to work, and more free with someone whose consequence free.


This is my theory k? I believe sex is love, and when someone wants sex without love, what they essentially want is the feeling of being loved without all the hassle. Like if you want to be happy without making your life better, you can do drugs or drink. It's an end run around the work. What's more like love than complete freedom where you can tear into someone passionately with no barriers? Most women feel thay can only really do that with a stranger who won't judge them, (or they don't car if they judge them), and that there's no consequence to their behaviour. If it is purely physical, why not just masterbate? Because they want that feeling of complete acceptance from another human being. Isn't that the definition of love?

Yes, and what a wonderful world you liberals have created!

>> ^Ryjkyj:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Even a brilliant finook deciding what's unnatural is like having the color-blind naming colors.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but promiscuity has been the norm for gay males and it's hell on them physically, mentally and emotionally.

Congrats Q, you're only thirty years behind the times and catching up fast!