More of the sky is falling bullshit from the radical left. Still its messing as usual at MSNBC.


Man made climate change is total BS

No, no it really is not BS. The scientific community is in agreement with this, by a ridiculous majority.

You can either do the reading yourself, or you can just reject it because reading and thinking is hard. And goddammit I'll drive a big truck and eat as many burgers as I fucking want!

lol, Chicken Little found a gig at MSNBC. This guy makes a leap of faith (oil use leads to global catastrophe) that makes anything ever decided by any Pope, saint or disciple look miniscule.
These people really believe in their utopia, don't they?

And here we see exactly why we are fucked. Because idiots like the two morons above are burying their head in the sand and not even ignoring the problem, they're pretending there isn't one.

Yeah, we're not leaving 80% of the oil in the ground. We're not going to save the world. The world will continue on, but it's going to be a hellhole. I genuinely feel bad for the kids that will have to deal with it.

There used to be glaciers covering most of the US, what happened to them? fossil fuel use?
Temperatures are a function of the sun more than anything else. Remember, consensus is not science.

my god @lantern53,
did you just try to school everyone on consensus vs science?
and you did this after using an ice age analogy?
and not with an ounce of irony?

the ignorance on display is so massive that i am embarrassed for you my man.

the consensus is ON the science!
the only argument is what % is man-made.
thats it.

Everything you've written is wrong.
What happened to the last ice age
The effect of the sun

And you're damn right consensus is not science. So when you and your idiot denier mates all gang together to see who can shout the loudest, it doesn't make a goddamn gram of difference to the science.

Meanwhile, science is peer review. Note that word "peer". That means that the science is reviewed by other experts in the field. Not by you, me, fox news, greenpeace or the koch brothers. And the people who understand the science? They all agree with it.

They don't all agree with it, which is why it's not science. It isn't proven. You believe it because you are anti-fossil fuel or some such.
Consensus, I repeat, is not science. Science is provable.
But believe whatever you desire. You probably believe that if everyone sends the gov't a nickel, they can fix it, lol.

"They don't all agree with it, which is why it's not science."

If anyone is looking for absolute certainty, they should turn to their priests, their gurus, their investment brokers, their politicians, their snake-oil salesmen.

The only absolute certainty science can provide is in proving a wrong. Everything else is probabilities and exclusions, all the way to the end.

The fact that the public expects a proof of absolute certainty of a positive is maddening to me. Any assumed equivalency between "not knowing for sure" with "not knowing anything" is frustrating to no end.

Scientists have to enter the public arena and proclaim certainty to match the public's vernacular. If they were to stick to probabilities the way they do within their own realms, they'd fail to communicate the essence of their findings. Just look at how warped the common understanding of "theory" has become.

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"Consensus, I repeat, is not science."

Everything scientific that is being communicated publicy is a consensus. The fact that statements of less than absolute, unanimous consensus are met with suspicion and a diminishment of trust in the process itself is one of the reasons why science cannot be properly discussed on the public stage. They cannot present the fuzzy edges of their findings as that would require a qualification in the form of probabilities. A consensus, the greatest common denominator if you will, is the best that can be done. The IPCC's reports are a magnificent illustration of that very issue.

And why can't we talk about the fuzzy edges? About scenarios and their corresponding probabilities? Because people are suspicious, even scared of numbers. Math as a subject is made fun of, a lack of mathematical understanding has become something to be proud of. An intuitive understanding of probabilities is the exception, not the norm. As soon as a prediction doesn't come true, people tend to dismiss the underlying theory, without any regard to the previously attached probability.

That's the climate the scientists have to endure when trying to present their work to the public.

I'll bet radx is an atheist because the religious types can't prove there's a God.

Actually, I'm an atheist because my local pastor was a cool guy who used to play table football and billiards at my grandmother's pub. And when he realized that many of us couldn't take the stories of the Bible seriously, he never pushed any of his beliefs onto us. So you might say it never took root with me.

The humanistic education of a German gymnasium did the rest. When the internet came along at the turn of the century, with its ready access to the likes of Bertrand Russell and, much later, Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, deGrasse Tyson, it merely pushed my attitude from not caring about organized religion into open confrontation with it. Though to be honest, I prefer not to bring up religion in a discussion, ever. It has the uncanny tendency to derail any conversation.

That said, science, specifically my training as a computer scientist, had no part in it. I was a passive atheist long before I took any of my education seriously, aka university.

I can spot an atheist a mile away, hehe.
While all those people you admire are atheists, there are 10 fold more people who believe in God but you disregard them. And I'm talking from all religions.
But that's okay. God made atheists and I'm sure God loves atheists. I feel bad for them because of the richness of life they are missing out on. They seem to be very unhappy people and rabidly anti-social. That's a major agenda to fight against everything spiritual.

WOO HOO!!!
The Keystone pipeline project has been rejected today.
Better late than never.