maybe it was worth it for him

Standard procedure for public officials should be to accept all bribes, disclose them to a supervisory body and take whatever action they would have taken ordinarily.

"Thanks for the BJ, here's your ticket." Is essentially perfect protocol in that situation.

Objectively a culture in which the cop who did his job correctly is treated as the bad guy, rather than the criminal who admits to trying to bribe a police officer, is a pretty bizarre one. Bill Clinton, basically the same story. From an outsider's perspective - is the US just collectively extremely concerned that its authority figures should never get their dicks sucked? Because it occurs to me that perhaps if cops could release some of their frustration that way they might not have to spend so much time beating up black children.

Um...accepting bribes is a federal felony....even if you don't stay bought.
Taking the bribe is not 'doing his job correctly'....it's a crime, even if he doesn't follow through afterwards.
WTF? Bill didn't offer any reciprocity for the BJ, did he?!? First I've heard that. What legislation was she promoting, or who got the presidential pardon?
I'm all for cops getting BJs daily before they start their shift, not a bad idea at all...but certainly not from those they stop, absolutely not with the promise they'll 'look the other way' about the crime...even if they follow through with the original charge regardless of the fact that they were just bought and paid for. EDIT: Also, not on the clock/the public's dime, not while in uniform, and not posted publicly.

The cop's job is to catch people speeding and give them tickets. Seems to be exactly what he did.

The corruptibility of those in public office would be substantially reduced if the general expectation were that they would openly enjoy any extra-organisational perquisites available to them while continuing to perform their office in an objective fashion.

What's more, from a utilitarian perspective the value of the service provided to that cop probably dramatically exceeds the cost to the public purse of a few minutes of his salaried time lost. As an overall result, society has made a profit on the transaction. If anything, therefore, it would have been irresponsible of him to decline the opportunity to, shall we say, mouth-holster his pink pork pistol.

No sir....on all counts.

A cop's job is to 'serve and protect', to uphold the law, and promote public safety, not to pull over hot chicks in hopes he can trick them out of a blow job with the false promise of no ticket, not to perform public sex acts while shirking the job.

Corruptibility is not reduced when you allow those in power to accept any 'gift', it's amplified, because it now allows them to illegally sell their services and always claim they only took a gift.

Society only gains there if the cop PAY'S us that 'value' for receiving the valuable blow job AND gives back the money we paid him for that time period AND finds someone else qualified to do the job we were paying him to do....(or do we not need cops on the job, and it's just as good to have them off getting BJ's instead?) Since you want to give it to him for nothing, we totally lose, only the cop profits, not society. Does that really need to be said? We paid him for his time, she also 'paid' him, he didn't do what EITHER of us 'paid' him to do. Everyone but him lost...until he was caught, now we've all lost (we also lose all the money spent to train him, btw)

The advantages of laissez-bribé should be evident to anyone.

It removes the current disincentive to report bribery and the incentive to act on its influence. It reduces the ability of malefactors to gauge the effectiveness of bribes and removes any hold they have over their subject, because there can be no question of impropriety. It allows for effective monitoring of corruptive influence, provides a running record of officials' interests and creates a new platform for understanding and managing the economic imperatives inherent in the public-private interface. It even builds an inescapable fine into the act of bribery itself and converts otherwise hidden income into taxable revenue! Could there be a more elegant and socially responsible system?

Requires oversight, sure, but it's obviously functionally superior to any naive moralistic alternative.

I think James Randy Moss probably understood all this and, American hero that he is, valiantly laid his career on the line to usher in a new era of honesty and accountability in public service.

Moving this video to newtboy's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.

*promote his being fired instead of simply suspended

Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued - promote requested by Mordhaus.

It's interesting to note that by making the video and posting it, they've both technically skirted prostitution...

Here's the story of a police officer who was killed just before her maternity leave:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/thousands-honor-slain-omaha-police-officer-who-was-new-mom-at-funeral/

For someone who hates strawmen so much, you sure use them a lot.

Oh boy, can I play this game too? http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/photo-raises-doubts-about-police-shooting-jermaine-mcbean-n366386

Me too! Me too! I wanna play 'non-sequitur story time'.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/denver-sheriff-whistleblower-claims-told-003900884.html

newtboy loves to post bad cop videos, so i'm posting good cop videos/links, just as a counterpoint because when all you see are bad cop videos, you end up all jaded like newtboy, and I'm doing my best to keep that from happening

you're welcome

A strawmen argument is when their is an actual argument...there was none here...so therefore this is more just a message...like someone hosting a fundraiser for wounded veterans is not particularly in your category for supporting the war, is it?

Are some laws not unjust in and of themselves? Not that I disagree with you at all newtboy, in fact I don't. But I do not agree that we should follow all laws to their original intents. (And yes, when you say law enforcement should always follow the law, which you have, you create a culture where others believe it, even if you understand the nuance.)

Now here is the crux. I kind of do see Gorilia's point to some degree but not in the same madness. If a cop goes home and gets his dick sucked by his wife (or girlfriend or mistress)--on lunch--he could be fired. On lunch...on his fucking time off that is required to be given to him by law... This also applies to other things. An officer was making muscles for a kid in a courtroom (in a non-disruptive manner) and the judge dismissed him from working the courthouse ever again. Just for making a kid smile...

The list goes on and on about stupid protocols that law enforcement has to face that are utterly stressful and ridiculous...

In the context of all his other "arguments" around the Sift, this is a straw man. He's refuting that this former police officer's situation is even remotely important because a real police officer lost her life and the lowlife that did it made her newborn child an orphan.

Besides, even if you don't accept that, my statement works as a non-sequitor too.

*sticks out tongue*

Here is the thing, and it's the reason why I have started to switch my opinion of our law enforcement. The number of stories and videos that show good cops has become dramatically outnumbered by the ones showing despicable human beings wearing a uniform.

Now what am I supposed to think as a rational person when I post a video showing a good cop, not wanting to shoot a murder suspect that might be armed, and immediately after that I get inundated with multiple videos showing officers literally murdering, beating, soliciting, and running over people?

It's equivalent to me coming to your house every day and beating the shit out of you for months, but one time I buy you an ice cream cone instead and tell you to have a great day. Now can you tell me that you are the type of person that is going to say, "Wow, he got me an ice cream and didn't hurt me today!" or are you a thinking creature that is going to say, "Fuck you and your ice cream, you sociopath!"?

It's just not good enough anymore to be that one good cop or even multiple good cops unless you are willing to take a stand and out the bad ones to be criminals. The thin blue line can no longer be held if we are to gain a modicum of trust back towards our law enforcement. No more buddy system, you fuck up and you do time. Until then, I can't trust a cop anymore and I have actual family that does police work.

I don't get your point.
Why could an officer be fired for going home and getting blown on lunch? It's on his time, in his home, and not in return for a promised dereliction of duty....COMPLETELY different from while he's on duty and in public in a public vehicle as a trade for letting someone go.
As for the officer making muscles, he was disrupting the courtroom, distracting the judge and/or jury with his antics. That's not only inappropriate, it interferes with the duties of the court, so it's totally proper for him to be dismissed....IMO. A warning would have also been appropriate, but some judges have no sense of humor, and they aren't required to.

Jesus, is there actually someone at the top of this thread arguing in favor of a public servant using the powers we gave him to get blowjobs from citizens?

Jesus: yes, son there absolutely is. Somebody up there is trying to argue that our police force should be free to use their position of power to get favors from ordinary citizens that they otherwise wouldn't, whether through threats, promises, or lies. As long as the police occasionally do their job, they should be free to abuse our trust the rest of the time.

But Jesus, what is sexual misconduct then, if that isn't it?

Jesus: Fuck if I know, son.

When all you show are 'bad cop' videos, it is akin to showing nothing but videos of, let's say, black people fighting, misbehaving or whatever, and thinking that all black people act that way.

You would excoriate the poster for making all black people look bad, but when you post 'bad cop' videos, you immediately assume that all cops are bad.

If you did the same for black people, you would be considered, and called at length, a racist.

Now you do it for cops, what does that make you? Perhaps it makes you a newtboy.

And here's the interesting thing: you feel the need to show that good cops exist, to remind people of that.
If I wanna see a good cop, I walk into the local police station. These men and women aren't all perfect but I'm pretty sure in a conflict, they wouldn't shoot me or kneel on my face or kick me while I'm handcuffed. They're trained not to do that unless they have perfectly good reasons to do that. Perfectly good.
I don't live in your country. Nobody here needs good cop videos because in my part of the world, even unpleasant encounters involving the police don't necessarily reflect badly on the officers involved. We don't have your kind of horror stories here.
We have shitty cops, certainly, some pretty racist guys. Just go and read some reporting on the NSU (Nationalsozialistischer Untergrund), it's our little domestic terrorism problem showcasing how terrible our police can be.
Do you really think that can compete with the terrible shit in your country?
People in your country hate cops so much because the good ones allow the bad ones to dominate the public Image. They hate them because the whole institution has systematic problems with racism, accountability and excessive force.

So, if a cop stops you, tells you you're getting a ticket and offers you to forget about it if you blow him, that's ok?
Because he could do that if what you suggest would be accepted. He could extort those things out of you and claim you offered it and as long as you can't prove it, it'll be ok. No problem here, move along.
And now imagine you couldn't afford a ticket. Imagine you really, really couldn't get a ticket for whatever reason. Then it would be fine if a strange man forced you to choose between sexually pleasuring him or getting that ticket?
I want you to picture yourself unzipping the pants of that man in the video and tell me you're fine with that mental image.

Don't be so sure about that being the case if you come to the USA.
I was pulled out of my car at gunpoint, thrown to the ground, and had the knee to my face because an idiot officer read my license plate wrong and assumed my car was stolen, then when he realized his mistake, threatened me with reprisal when he said "...remember, bud, I know where you live if you report this".

I did report it. I had to fight tooth and nail just to make that report, the officers at the station didn't want to take it or allow me to make a written complaint, and actually said at one point 'we don't take written complaints about officers.', and absolutely nothing came of it in the end.

Until American police forces clean house, if I wanna see a "good cop", I'll have to go on vacation to another country. When you say "People in your country hate cops so much because the good ones allow the bad ones to dominate the public Image." you miss the point that they also allow the 'bad' one's to act badly with no consequence, and stand behind them consistently with lies about what really happened...only to be proven clearly to be liars when video comes out. That's why I say the 'good cops' are endangered, if not extinct at this point.

There's an obvious distinction between bribery and extortion.

Really the whole practice of discretionary law enforcement is an appalling one. What we want is an army of impartial, emotionless automata.

@newtboy, that was pretty much the point I made in the last sentence, just more elaborate.
'They hate them because the whole institution has systematic problems with racism, --> accountability <-- and excessive force.' See, it's all there, just in snack-sized bites. You frequent elaborator.

And can you prove which is which? The cop is sticking to his story and as long as you don't have proof and that ticket, he's good.
Allowing that kind of baviour opens a door into a world where you give head to a balding, slightly overweight dude. Because he's in a position now to make you do it.
Don't. Just don't do it. Don't be a Shia.

Nothing wrong with a little collaborative elaboration. ;-)

I just meant to point out that it's not just the IMAGE they allow 'bad cops' to dominate, instead, by capitulating and covering for them they become bad cops, and so allow bad cops to dominate reality.

It doesn't seem to me that these fringe scenarios of yours are any the more likely to occur in the realisation of my carefully considered reforms. Indeed, there's no apparent mechanism by which they would increase.

Cops are no less free today to engage in extortion than they might be under even the sloppiest implementation of my proposal. Whereas, I claim that the enhanced oversight and incentive structure of this enlightened, progressive model does more to counter bad baviour and encourage good baviour than your own rather lazy and hidebound adherence to the status quo.

Please explain how this 'enhanced oversight' works please. Since bribery is legal in your scenario, there's no reason victims of extortion would even bother to report it, because it's their word against the cop that will simply say 'it's a gift', case closed. Now they have the ability to extort any amount from anyone at any time, and like this cop they don't even have to follow through, they can simply demand payment then screw you a second time.
The incentive structure you describe is the incentive to extort money AND still screw people over because then they get paid AND have a good arrest record. There's no incentive for cops to act better t all, only worse in your scenario.
This story is proof that they are not free to extort today...he's fired isn't he? In your scenario, he's done nothing wrong.

It doesn't seem to me that your fringe scenario is likely to have a whit of positive effect, and only allows the worst kind of behavior to continue unhidden and unprosecutable. If you somehow believe that will cause bad cops to miraculously become good people, I've got some swamp land in Southern Florida to sell you. ;-)