But...but...STATES RIGHTS!

Fucking Move.

I know I know there's reasons and principles and shit but if I was in a place that sucked nothing could keep me there. Fucking move everyone, lets all just move somewhere where you're treated right.

Ok story time. My brother is sort of weird and effeminate. Not really gay, just kinda goofy and girly. My family moved to North Carolina, cause there was a job for my dad. The kids at the private school were utter fucking dicks. Always mean, backward little fucks. So they picked up and moved again, this time to Iowa. They couldn't be happier, tons of nice people about and a school where my brother is accepted.

So yeah, you don't like some place, or some place doesn't like you well this is America.

Fucking Move.

Not exactly easy if you are low income and don't have an independent form of transportation. I don't think she was making this video to bitch about it only for herself. She made a point of how long it would take someone to get to one of the 13 clinics with public transportation. If someone is dependent on public transportation, they are not likely going to have an easy time moving to another state.

There are sometimes situations that make fucking moving impossible.
>> ^Yogi:

Fucking Move.
I know I know there's reasons and principles and shit but if I was in a place that sucked nothing could keep me there. Fucking move everyone, lets all just move somewhere where you're treated right.
Ok story time. My brother is sort of weird and effeminate. Not really gay, just kinda goofy and girly. My family moved to North Carolina, cause there was a job for my dad. The kids at the private school were utter fucking dicks. Always mean, backward little fucks. So they picked up and moved again, this time to Iowa. They couldn't be happier, tons of nice people about and a school where my brother is accepted.
So yeah, you don't like some place, or some place doesn't like you well this is America.
Fucking Move.

>> ^Yogi:

Fucking Move.
I know I know there's reasons and principles and shit but if I was in a place that sucked nothing could keep me there. Fucking move everyone, lets all just move somewhere where you're treated right.
Ok story time. My brother is sort of weird and effeminate. Not really gay, just kinda goofy and girly. My family moved to North Carolina, cause there was a job for my dad. The kids at the private school were utter fucking dicks. Always mean, backward little fucks. So they picked up and moved again, this time to Iowa. They couldn't be happier, tons of nice people about and a school where my brother is accepted.
So yeah, you don't like some place, or some place doesn't like you well this is America.
Fucking Move.


By your logic people should run away from problems instead of confront and eliminate them? Sure, I understand how easy it is to just ignore a problem however ignorance of the issue doesn't benefit society as a whole. See, that's the problem with a significant portion of society today - always looking for the path of least resistance, yet they go ahead proposing "solutions" like moving away that are actually way more hassle.

Here in Australia, every GP (general practitioner doctor) offers pap smears. You can find a doctor that "bulk bills" (which means you get all health care free of charge) within walking distance of any suburban home, and a short drive from any country home.

All Australian cities have multiple large world class public hospitals where all health care is provided free of charge - I have 2 near to me and 5 in the state I live in. There are also numerous private hospitals to get health care from if you so choose (you don't need to - you can get it free of charge).

It's time for the USA to invest in GPs and a better health care system.

This. I would love to move from the Canton/Massillon, Ohio area, but being poor makes it very hard. The place I live now costs $460 a month. That is for a nice 2 bedroom town house with a generous communal back yard in a nice child friendly neighborhood with some of the best schools in the state. How many places in the country (heck the state) can you find housing in such a nice area so cheap? Even in areas that pay more it usually doesn't overcome the higher housing costs when you are stuck in minimum to a couple bucks above minimum pay range... ($12k to $18k locally a year)
None of the places I would like to relocate to can get in those price ranges and still be out of the slums... heck most of the places I've considered can't even get into slums for those prices (Austin, Silicon Valley area, Arcata, Portland, Seattle, Fort Collins, Denver are the main US ones). And moving out of the country to New Zealand, Iceland, the UK, Netherlands and even Canada, is impossible since an overly expensive Associates degree means you don't have the skills any of those places would give you immigration.
Add to the housing expense the high price of actually moving...

>> ^Lann:
There are sometimes situations that makes fucking moving impossible.

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You guys whining about moving costs, really? Compare that to the costs of changing state legislation.

You don't like States Rights? Compare the costs of changing state legislation to the costs of changing federal laws. Yeah, let's give more power to Washington, genius!

At least in America, we have more options. If you don't want to stay and fight, fine! You have the privilege of moving to a state with different laws, as opposed to moving to a whole other country (or not being allowed to leave the country at all).

I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny or not, so I'm going to assume you're serious. If not, apologies in advance.

>> ^renatojj:

You guys whining about moving costs, really? Compare that to the costs of changing state legislation.


Good thing one individual doesn't have to pay the whole cost then.

>> ^renatojj:

You don't like States Rights? Compare the costs of changing state legislation to the costs of changing federal laws. Yeah, let's give more power to Washington, genius!

Your cost argument is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure there was a large legal cost associated with civil rights. If it's the right thing to do, you pay the cost and move on.

>> ^renatojj:

At least in America, we have more options. If you don't want to stay and fight, fine! You have the privilege of moving to a state with different laws, as opposed to moving to a whole other country (or not being allowed to leave the country at all).


No. These things are not up for negotiation. You shouldn't have to move to have access to basic necessities. Forget the practicalities, why the hell should you be forced to leave your home (potentially your job, friends and family as well) because some idiot decides to enforce their backward world view?

I want the government to step in and slap down idiocy like this.

Well, to those who don't realize, Texas is probably doing this kind of stuff just so it makes more sense when they leave the US. Texas is going to be it's own country and probably just kick out everything that doesn't wear a cowboy hat or an apron.

>> ^ChaosEngine:

Good thing one individual doesn't have to pay the whole cost then.
How come? What if society around that person likes the law the way it is? Does this dissenting individual have Jedi cost-spreading powers I don't know about?
>> ^ChaosEngine:

Your cost argument is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure there was a large legal cost associated with civil rights. If it's the right thing to do, you pay the cost and move on.
What if the cause is wrong, what then? Should a local community pay the cost or an entire nation, which is more oppressive?

Cost is always irrelevant when you can impose it on others, then it becomes a question of morality, but I'm guessing that's not an issue for you.
>> ^ChaosEngine:

No. These things are not up for negotiation. You shouldn't have to move to have access to basic necessities. Forget the practicalities, why the hell should you be forced to leave your home (potentially your job, friends and family as well) because some idiot decides to enforce their backward world view?

I want the government to step in and slap down idiocy like this.
So... let me get this straight, you don't want people to be oppressed by a "backward world view"... what if your definition of "idiocy" and "access to basic necessities" are the "backward world view"??

You'd be the one oppressing people cracking down on what you consider idiocy, imposing costs on an entire country to provide access to what you consider basic necessities.

I guess oppression is wrong, unless ChaosEngine is calling the shots.

>> ^RFlagg:

This. I would love to move from the Canton/Massillon, Ohio area, but being poor makes it very hard. The place I live now costs $460 a month. That is for a nice 2 bedroom town house with a generous communal back yard in a nice child friendly neighborhood with some of the best schools in the state. How many places in the country (heck the state) can you find housing in such a nice area so cheap? Even in areas that pay more it usually doesn't overcome the higher housing costs when you are stuck in minimum to a couple bucks above minimum pay range... ($12k to $18k locally a year)
None of the places I would like to relocate to can get in those price ranges and still be out of the slums... heck most of the places I've considered can't even get into slums for those prices (Austin, Silicon Valley area, Arcata, Portland, Seattle, Fort Collins, Denver are the main US ones). And moving out of the country to New Zealand, Iceland, the UK, Netherlands and even Canada, is impossible since an overly expensive Associates degree means you don't have the skills any of those places would give you immigration.
Add to the housing expense the high price of actually moving...
>> ^Lann:
There are sometimes situations that makes fucking moving impossible.



Move somewhere else in Ohio. Cleveland, Cincinnati, or Columbus are going to be vastly better than Canton, and while they will be a little more expensive it won't be anything like going to California. There will be far more job opportunities, too. Then you can make another step up to something better.

Well, I guess you were serious...

>> ^renatojj:

>> ^ChaosEngine:
Good thing one individual doesn't have to pay the whole cost then.
How come? What if society around that person likes the law the way it is? Does this dissenting individual have Jedi cost-spreading powers I don't know about?

One person moving pays the cost themselves. The cost of changing legislation is borne by the legislating authority, i.e. ultimately by all the tax payers. So yeah, the cost is spread.

>> ^renatojj:

>> ^ChaosEngine:
Your cost argument is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure there was a large legal cost associated with civil rights. If it's the right thing to do, you pay the cost and move on.
What if the cause is wrong, what then? Should a local community pay the cost or an entire nation, which is more oppressive?
Cost is always irrelevant when you can impose it on others, then it becomes a question of morality, but I'm guessing that's not an issue for you.

I have no issue with arguing the relative merits of different causes. There are undoubtedly groups that believe government should pay for religious or race segregated schools, and I do not support them. But it is up to society as a whole and legislators in particular to make that choice. Once that is made, certain segments of the population do not get to ignore that.

>> ^renatojj:

>> ^ChaosEngine:
No. These things are not up for negotiation. You shouldn't have to move to have access to basic necessities. Forget the practicalities, why the hell should you be forced to leave your home (potentially your job, friends and family as well) because some idiot decides to enforce their backward world view?
I want the government to step in and slap down idiocy like this.
So... let me get this straight, you don't want people to be oppressed by a "backward world view"... what if your definition of "idiocy" and "access to basic necessities" are the "backward world view"??
You'd be the one oppressing people cracking down on what you consider idiocy, imposing costs on an entire country to provide access to what you consider basic necessities.
I guess oppression is wrong, unless ChaosEngine is calling the shots.


Ahh, our old friend, moral relativism. Sorry, but no. I've explained this before, but you don't just get to pick and choose what you are opposed to or support. You must justify that stance. I support women being able to access medical services. Now either you don't support that, or you're ok with someone else denying them access (which is actually worse, at least the others are willing to stand behind their idiocy).

Simple answers to statistically insignificant 'problems'...

1. Don't use Medicare/Medicaid.
2. Get a better plan and use those providers.
3. If you can't do 1 & 2, then pay for your own care out of pocket and deal with your providers directly.

I reject the narrow definition of what is and isn't acceptable in the vid. There's a whole world of options - all of them easily available and affordable just about anyone. All it takes is the guts, gumption, and initiative to go out there and take them. The problems this woman is harping about can be easily avoided by the vast majority of the US population. The mathematically small percentage to whom this argument applies does not merit the need of a nationalized, federal policy. People that down & out can avail themselves of the many charitable organizations that exist for the truly in need.

Oh... What? Those charitable groups tend to be religious organizations that don't want to give Sandra Fluke barrels full or free condoms, or run abortion abbotiors, and who counsel adoption instead of free, unfettered, instantly accessed, no-restriction abortions? Ah - well - now we know what this is really all about... Whatzerface isn't whining about the number of clinics. She's whining about state covering her birth control and abortions and she doesn't want to have to walk 30 minutes to get there (as if she couldn't drive). :eyeroll:

@ChaosEngine I mean a person wanting to change a law, and making that happen, compared to her just up and moving. You're assuming some authority is already engaged off a single complaint. Did the glittery cost-fairy take care of getting that whole process under way?

There are more groups with objectionable views on a federal level than on a state level. You can't stop legislators from making stupid laws, but you can mitigate the damage by having them legislate over less citizens and territory, so less citizens are affected, and those who are can still move outside their reach. Despite those obvious benefits, I guess bashing on states rights is quite popular these days.

I know it feels unfathomable to you right now that your political views might be wrong, or that you might be the one with a "backward world view", but realizing that isn't moral relativism, it's admitting that you're human, fallible. Politics is a complex subject, I'm not saying there are no right answers, just that you should be wary of those who claim to have them.

>> ^renatojj:

Despite those obvious benefits, I guess bashing on states rights is quite popular these days.

Funny how the only time I ever hear anyone talk about states rights are when they want to do something retarded. So bash away, AFAIC.

>> ^renatojj:

I know it feels unfathomable to you right now that your political views might be wrong, or that you might be the one with a "backward world view", but realizing that isn't moral relativism, it's admitting that you're human, fallible. Politics is a complex subject, I'm not saying there are no right answers, just that you should be wary of those who claim to have them.


There's a difference between political differences (socialism v capitalism, authoritarian v liberal) and fundamental human rights. You want to argue the relative merits of isolationism vs interventionism? Go nuts. But I have a serious problem with people equivocating on subjects like this as if it's an academic topic for debate.

And btw, you can leave the condescending "I know you don't get it now" tone out of it. Neither of us know anything about the life experience of the other. For the record, my politcal stances have changed many times, from anarcho-capitalism to socialism to somewhere in between, but once again, this is not about politics.

@ChaosEngine then please drop the condescending "not sure if you're serious" attitude towards dissenting opinion, specially if you want me to believe you're this "from A to Z" kind of person. Doesn't feel good to be on the receiving end, does it?

You can't connect the dots between politics and arguing fundamental human rights? So how do you propose "women being able to access medical services" should be done? Because you're not the only one here with noble goals, I want medical services to be accessible to women too.

The difference is that you probably agree with forcing millions of taxpayers to fund an "insurance" system run by government to pay for these services, while I want the costs of medicine to go down (thus making medical services accessible to women), and this only really happens when there's less government involvement in medicine, not more.

See? Politics.

It sounds like within her own defined reasonable commute distance, there are still 12 clinics that offer the service she's looking for. What's the problem? How many clinics does she need to replace the one PP clinic? Did I miss something?

>> ^Lann:

Not exactly easy if you are low income and don't have an independent form of transportation. I don't think she was making this video to bitch about it only for herself. She made a point of how long it would take someone to get to one of the 13 clinics with public transportation. If someone is dependent on public transportation, they are not likely going to have an easy time moving to another state.
There are sometimes situations that make fucking moving impossible.
>> ^Yogi:
Fucking Move.
I know I know there's reasons and principles and shit but if I was in a place that sucked nothing could keep me there. Fucking move everyone, lets all just move somewhere where you're treated right.
Ok story time. My brother is sort of weird and effeminate. Not really gay, just kinda goofy and girly. My family moved to North Carolina, cause there was a job for my dad. The kids at the private school were utter fucking dicks. Always mean, backward little fucks. So they picked up and moved again, this time to Iowa. They couldn't be happier, tons of nice people about and a school where my brother is accepted.
So yeah, you don't like some place, or some place doesn't like you well this is America.
Fucking Move.



No there isn't. People hitchhike, or walk. They leave war torn countries everyday. Leaving and starting over is never impossible, it's just hard.

>> ^Reefie:

>> ^Yogi:
Fucking Move.
I know I know there's reasons and principles and shit but if I was in a place that sucked nothing could keep me there. Fucking move everyone, lets all just move somewhere where you're treated right.
Ok story time. My brother is sort of weird and effeminate. Not really gay, just kinda goofy and girly. My family moved to North Carolina, cause there was a job for my dad. The kids at the private school were utter fucking dicks. Always mean, backward little fucks. So they picked up and moved again, this time to Iowa. They couldn't be happier, tons of nice people about and a school where my brother is accepted.
So yeah, you don't like some place, or some place doesn't like you well this is America.
Fucking Move.

By your logic people should run away from problems instead of confront and eliminate them? Sure, I understand how easy it is to just ignore a problem however ignorance of the issue doesn't benefit society as a whole. See, that's the problem with a significant portion of society today - always looking for the path of least resistance, yet they go ahead proposing "solutions" like moving away that are actually way more hassle.


Yes that's all very logical except the timeframe. It's going to take too long to solve the problem according to this person so move now. It's not about ignoring a problem, it's about soloving it through going someone else. This isn't like the last place in the US where Planned Parenthood exists, it's one of the worst backward places that's trying to get rid of it. So go somewhere where you can have it.

Also while you're moving you can fight for society as a whole, you don't have to suffer in that place to wage that battle. If you're not treated right or respectfully in a place, why stay there? You make a good point but it doesn't counter mine adequately at all.

Liberals should be offered all the free birth control and abortions they want; it's the biggest no-brainer in the history of the universe.

Oh America, when will you join the rest of the civilised world and provide universal healthcare? Oh right, you're too busy depriving women and homosexuals of basic human rights (and giving some of them to... corporations). *sadface*

>> ^hpqp:

Oh America, when will you join the rest of the civilised world and provide universal healthcare? Oh right, you're too busy depriving women and homosexuals of basic human rights (and giving some of them to... corporations). sadface


And making a SHIT TON of money with our really crappy Healthcare system