*waronterror I don't see the controversy here. It clearly is torture, there is nothing controversial about that.

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Well you and I dont think it is controvesial but that's because we're in agreement (and the laws agree with us as well). On the other hand, people with a 'they took err jobs!!' attitude seem to feel differently.

It's shocking that in this day and age there are people who believe that the tactics employed by the Khmer Rouge, the KGB and the Nazis somehow are not torture.

Mindfuckingblowing.

a very unsubtle way to make a very powerful point.
sometimes it has to be done.
i don't think its neither wise nor morally sound,
to continue with the naive notion of victimless war.
bloodless wars dont exist.
waterboarding=torture....and,it does not work.
the pain and suffering is real,
and for what?
false confessions?
its evil,and i shall have no part in it.

a powerful and profound clip.
thank you.

Upvote for a cool video.

However, I think we should stop arguing that waterboarding is torture. It IS - by any credible criteria.

The more we assert or argue that it's torture, the more society legitimizes opposing viewpoints.

It's like asserting that the earth revolves around the sun. We KNOW it does, so few people waste their time arguing with someone who believes otherwise.

Had it not become a politically charged subject, I'm sure nobody would be arguing against it being torture. In my mind, this has become probably one of the best examples of how politics can bias a person's views on just about any topic. I'm still hearing several conservative radio hosts calling the process "somewhat uncomfortable".

Well, your prose is concrete and straightforward, but I've never been much for free verse. More of a haiku guy, really.

>> ^enoch:
a very unsubtle way to make a very powerful point.
sometimes it has to be done.
i don't think its neither wise nor morally sound,
to continue with the naive notion of victimless war.
bloodless wars dont exist.
waterboarding=torture....and,it does not work.
the pain and suffering is real,
and for what?
false confessions?
its evil,and i shall have no part in it.
a powerful and profound clip.
thank you.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

I can't believe that douchebags like Hannity and Limbaugh can manage to even posit that waterboarding in not torture. It's sad that this is even framed as a debate.

Its pretty easy to understand dag, when you realise how entrenched their minds are with the "us vs. them" mentality visa vi political party.

If they admitted it was torture, their elected leaders of the country, that also got the wars going to begin with, are international war criminals, and must be bought to justice.

To these guys political teams are just as powerfully entrenched in their mindset, as sports teams are to the fans that go to the games dressed up as the mascot and painted the teams colors.

Fanatics, its all they are. Plain and simple.

To admit that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Rove etc. signed off on acts of torture, would be tantamount to them suddenly saying their entire team is a sham. Wont happen anytime soon without a serious wake up call.

Its a damn shame that you have powerful media talking-heads with that much of a vested interest in any political party, im just glad that John Stewart has the temerity to call Obama out on his bullshit as well (Re: gitmo closing, but keeping the afghan air-base prisons open, with the exact same MO as gitmo, among others).

and it's a dupe.
http://www.videosift.com/video/Amnesty-Internationals-new-anti-waterboarding-ad

beginning looks like a fuckin awesome vodka commercial

Was that a Brita commercial?