The Kalam Cosmological argument presents positive arguments for a transcendent first cause of the Universe.
shveddysays...

Short version: Cosmology, particle physics, theoretical physics, etc... are elucidating fantastically complex aspects of our universe's beginning that we don't and probably won't ever fully understand. Some interpretations may indicate that there is some eternal process giving rise to the complexity we can observe. Therefore it's the Jewish war-diety from 3000 years ago that did it, definitely not Allah or Vishnu - that would just be crazy.

Stormsingersays...

"Arguments for" an idea are worthless. "Evidence" is what is needed, and there simply isn't any provided here.

That's not even addressing the straw man at the very beginning. That's not a binary question being asked.

These people really work hard at their stupidity though.

shinyblurrysays...

"Arguments for" an idea are worthless. "Evidence" is what is needed, and there simply isn't any provided here.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/argument/

:That's not even addressing the straw man at the very beginning. That's not a binary question being asked.:

I think it is addressing the presuppositions of naturalism mainly:

nat·u·ral·ism
ˈnaCH(ə)rəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: naturalism
1.
(in art and literature) a style and theory of representation based on the accurate depiction of detail.
2.
a philosophical viewpoint according to which everything arises from natural properties and causes, and supernatural or spiritual explanations are excluded or discounted.

You could expand the question to include many conceptions of God, or something supernatural, but essentially the argument is dealing with a being which is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient.

Stormsingersaid:

"Arguments for" an idea are worthless. "Evidence" is what is needed, and there simply isn't any provided here.

That's not even addressing the straw man at the very beginning. That's not a binary question being asked.

These people really work hard at their stupidity though.

shinyblurrysays...

The mainstream theory these days is that something came from nothing. That to me seems to be the idea which could not have any justification. The idea that the God of the bible is the Creator of our Universe is something that touches history, in the life death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If Jesus was resurrected from the dead then His claims about the order of the cosmos, and our relation to it, warrant an investigation; if not, then they should be discarded.

shveddysaid:

Short version: Cosmology, particle physics, theoretical physics, etc... are elucidating fantastically complex aspects of our universe's beginning that we don't and probably won't ever fully understand. Some interpretations may indicate that there is some eternal process giving rise to the complexity we can observe. Therefore it's the Jewish war-diety from 3000 years ago that did it, definitely not Allah or Vishnu - that would just be crazy.

billpayersays...

since anti-matter and matter are equal, there never was anything to begin with, just a wave in nothing.

StukaFoxsays...

Just outta curiosity, why is your creation myth somehow superior all the other creation myths out there? Apparently, and correct me if I'm wrong, your belief is that the Judeo-Christian god created the universe and you base this on the Bible. You embrace this belief, yet discard all other versions of the story of creation. Why is your myth "right" and all others incorrect?

shinyblurrysaid:

The mainstream theory these days is that something came from nothing. That to me seems to be the idea which could not have any justification. The idea that the God of the bible is the Creator of our Universe is something that touches history, in the life death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If Jesus was resurrected from the dead then His claims about the order of the cosmos, and our relation to it, warrant an investigation; if not, then they should be discarded.

shveddysays...

Nope, the mainstream theory is that we don't have a clue. We're just fairly certain it didn't go down 6000 years ago and that the earth wasn't formless before there was light and that whatever process happened probably couldn't care less whether we mix fibers, etc...

shinyblurrysaid:

The mainstream theory these days is that something came from nothing. That to me seems to be the idea which could not have any justification. The idea that the God of the bible is the Creator of our Universe is something that touches history, in the life death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If Jesus was resurrected from the dead then His claims about the order of the cosmos, and our relation to it, warrant an investigation; if not, then they should be discarded.

siftbotsays...

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DrewNumberTwosays...

Even if we accept that every earthly miracle in the Bible happened, such as seas parting, water being turned to wine, and dozens or hundreds of people being brought back to life, that still doesn't mean that one guy's explanation is worth considering. Further, we couldn't examine his claim in any useful way since it says that the cause is supernatural.

shinyblurrysaid:

The mainstream theory these days is that something came from nothing. That to me seems to be the idea which could not have any justification. The idea that the God of the bible is the Creator of our Universe is something that touches history, in the life death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If Jesus was resurrected from the dead then His claims about the order of the cosmos, and our relation to it, warrant an investigation; if not, then they should be discarded.

robdotsays...

the mainstream idea "these days" is not something came from nothing, thats religion.

shinyblurrysaid:

The mainstream theory these days is that something came from nothing. That to me seems to be the idea which could not have any justification. The idea that the God of the bible is the Creator of our Universe is something that touches history, in the life death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If Jesus was resurrected from the dead then His claims about the order of the cosmos, and our relation to it, warrant an investigation; if not, then they should be discarded.

robdotsays...

also again, its simply begging the question, as the initial claim hasnt been proven, it is simply taken for truth by the presenter..not everything that exists can be said to have a cause,Where is the evidence that everything that begins to exist has a cause?? whats the cause of a flower? Its just nonsense rambling,,In order to be found, you must first be lost,,if you truly want to find yourself, lose yourself.it is only when you truly lose yourself ,that one can truly find one self...see??.just ignorant crap.

shinyblurrysays...

Because the Christian religion is based not on myth, but entirely on a historical claim, which is that Jesus was raised from the dead. I believe that He was, that there is good evidence to believe that He was, and it has been my personal experience that it is true. The central claim of the Christian religion is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Paul made this comment:

1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
1 Corinthians 15:18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1 Corinthians 15:19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.
1 Corinthians 15:20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

The bible tells us in John 3:3 that we must be born again. We are born again when we place our faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, when we believe that He paid the price for our sins on the cross and that He was raised from the dead. When that happens God sends the Holy Spirit to dwell within us. The Holy Spirit transforms us from the inside out and makes us new people.

In my personal experience, this has happened to me. When I was baptized, I went into the water as one person and came out a different person. I had been transformed on the inside in an instant, losing a lot of baggage and depression and gaining a perpetual sense of Gods presence, and an inner peace and joy that was never there before. I didn't expect this, or anything, to happen. It is a fulfillment of the truth of what the scripture says happens when you are born again.

StukaFoxsaid:

Just outta curiosity, why is your creation myth somehow superior all the other creation myths out there? Apparently, and correct me if I'm wrong, your belief is that the Judeo-Christian god created the universe and you base this on the Bible. You embrace this belief, yet discard all other versions of the story of creation. Why is your myth "right" and all others incorrect?

shinyblurrysays...

You wouldn't consider Jesus to be an authority, even though He predicted His own death and resurrection, did countless miracles, and was in fact raised from the dead? It seems like you have set the bar ridiculously high here. What would it take to convince you?

There will be such a person in the last days who will do miracles and appear to be raised from the dead, and the whole world will follow after him and worship him. The bible calls this man the Antichrist.

DrewNumberTwosaid:

Even if we accept that every earthly miracle in the Bible happened, such as seas parting, water being turned to wine, and dozens or hundreds of people being brought back to life, that still doesn't mean that one guy's explanation is worth considering. Further, we couldn't examine his claim in any useful way since it says that the cause is supernatural.

shinyblurrysays...

Some are, and there are some scientists who have found evidence that the Earth is young.



(part 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z43s4tx9CxM

shveddysaid:

Nope, the mainstream theory is that we don't have a clue. We're just fairly certain it didn't go down 6000 years ago and that the earth wasn't formless before there was light and that whatever process happened probably couldn't care less whether we mix fibers, etc...

robdotsays...

Energy can become matter and matter can become energy..there is no first cause for anything..There is no evidence the earth is young,, omfg..


Sceince does not say everything came from nothing..religion says that...

Barbarsays...

My problem with the cosmological argument is that it takes something we know nothing about, specifically how things may have worked before the universe came into exists, and massively leverages them. We know about as much about what happened before (if the concept of time or before could mean anything without space and mass) as we do about what happens after death.

Anyone making absolutely claims from such shaky ground should have their motivations analyzed, because it seems suspect to me.

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