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The History of the Mormon Religion

westysays...

lol i have a internet morman m8 seems to me that all religons abandon common sence in some way ore another. still u can lern alot from studying difrent religoins im not sure if its more benoficail to belive in a religoin and be openminded than beang agnostick ore athest and open minded
aditionaly im not sure if u can be clased as been fully open minded if u belive in sertain religoins sutch as morman ,christainty,scientoligy,islam,hinduism

westysays...

Lol i know it must be painfull to read my bad spelling i would do the whole spell check thing but i dont have word on my laptop at the moment and aditionaly i dont have the time to spell check everything i write . aditonaly its enoughf of a burdon spellchecking everything for work not.id rather be lazy when im casuly posting coments. if it realy upsets u then just skip what i say im sure alot of people wud disogree with it anny way. lol i just like reading what people put and then writing stuff back. rsi is fun

westysays...

i think when i say close minded i would say that is sumone who makes a desision based on thair emideat exspectations and knowlage, if a person strives to understand more and dose not limit themselfs to preconceptions. then i belive people make better desisions.

so i think if u stand for something and you have a logical and reasnable resion for standing for that something that is fine and noone has a right to label you as close minded. however if you stand for something evan though there is insumountable factual evidence to the contry and you only belive what u belive becuse u happen to have grown comfortable with it. then that to me is bing close minded.

i think the key would be to just use logic for making desisions and the only way u could use logic properly was if u have alot of information ore all information relating to what you are tring to make a desision about.

i use firefox and ie, ie simply becuse its embeded in windows and im to lazy to load an aditional browser , fire fox becuse of tabs , i dont realy have a prefrence same with linux windows and macks.

skepticalsays...

gorgonheap: taking a stand isn't closed minded. Tanking a stand that is fundamentally irrational for whatever emotional reasons and then ignoring logic & contrary evidence...that is being closed minded.
Also being closed minded is accusing someone, that disagrees with your position, of making "no decision" just because they're being logically consistent. Agnostics for example, simply acknowledge that no is zero credible evidence for the existence of a supernatural supreme being. While at the same time, they realise that unless you define such a hypothetical entity narrowly enough that you can't complete disprove it's existence. That is the problem with trying to "prove a negative".
For example..I'll assume that you I both agree that Santa Claus doesn't actually exist, now try to PROVE that he doesn't exist. For every logical reason that you give that there is no Santa Claus. Someone can come up with some rationalization to still justify the belief in Santa Claus. That why the "Burden of Proof" is important in critical thinking.
Most agnostics if asked would reply that they don't belive that there is a supreme being because
1)there is no proof to support it
and
2)because it is a unecessary hypothisis

But they know that they can't prove the negative because most religons try to survive crtical analysis by being as vague as possible in such matters.
As to the clip...what little it shows is basically accurate in the broad sense (even though they took "artistic license" with the history). The biggest difference between a cult and a religon (in many peoples minds) is how many people belive in it.

dembratssays...

This is a funny video - it always makes me laugh. Still, I don't see how following a religion means I have to be close-minded. If I feel the religion benefits me and my family and makes me a better person then what's wrong with that? I think churches like the Mormon church do more good in the world than anybody realizes. If you don't agree or believe it, then don't follow it.

The world is full of close-minded people, both religious and non-religious. It has nothing to do with religion. People just use religion to accomplish their close-minded purposes.

westysays...

Dembrats -

i agree with u to some exstent you can be religouse and open minded on almost all issues and be a open minded person.

but to belive in a specific religoin over another hypothisis of exsistance in the first place demonstrates that you are close minded on the isue of religoin. how can you logicly and rationaly say one religoin is more right than another as thair is no evidence to say thair is a god ore thair isnot a god. then no religoin can posibly argue that what thay belive god to be is right ore wrong.

the other side to this argument is that most religoins require faith and this is not compatable with logic ore rationality. and thus from thair perception of things thay are simply corect.

personaly i concider to be a dangerouse aspect of religoin maby not for people in a single religoin but for people of a difrent religoin ore no religoin at all. becuse people outside of a religoin are normaly percived as insuperear to those that are in the religoin.

The reality is thair are manny people who r religouse who are open minded and clever and rational. and thair are manny people who r of no religoin who r compleaty close minded stupid and ignorent. whats ibelive to be important is to just promote rationality and logic amungest everyone regardless of what thay belive. <maby i am wrong> lolz

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