Police: Gunshot residue found on slain man's hand:

"Police did not find a gun at the scene near Third Street and Oakdale Avenue, but an online video taken just after Harding was shot showed what appeared to be a gun on the ground. Police later found what they believe was the gun, a .45-caliber pistol, at the home of a parolee in the Bayview."

???

the title is more important than the video.

why dont you fix or delete this video title

Chief: Man killed by SF police was sought in Wash:
"A gun flew out of Harding's hand some 15 feet after he was shot, Sainez said. Police retrieved a firearm later thanks to cell phone video taken after the shooting was posted online showing a man wearing a gray-striped hooded sweat shirt picking it up and running off with it."

>> ^marinara:

the title is more important than the video.
why dont you fix or delete this video title


What am I suppose to fix or delete?

killed unarmed man over $2

fix that

found gunshot residue on his hand, also gunshot detection system supports the police story.
fix the description too

This young man is the main suspect in the killing of a pregnant 19 year old in Seattle. He ran when he was approached about bus fare.

The news reports I read said that he was running and firing. On the street. In the middle of the day.

I hear a lot of upset people on this tape. They have gathered after all the shooting.

The title needs fixing.

We are in a world of hurt in this country when a man runs down the street, shooting a pistol in the attempt to kill police officers, and the police are at fault for stopping him by any means necessary.

yeah, Harding gets out of prison for pimping, and apparently immediately kills a teenage woman.

I first saw this video on reddit on sunday morning, and I reached the immediate conclusion that it was horrible police abuse. Now i've completely reversed the sentiment

>> ^bareboards2:

This young man is the main suspect in the killing of a pregnant 19 year old in Seattle.

>> ^marinara:

killed unarmed man over $2
fix that


From what I can tell that's what happened. The police department's story doesn't add up. The suspect fired at them, yet there's no gun? The police later claim the gun flew out of his hand after he was shot and somehow a guy 10 minutes later walks up and finds in the middle of the street? And if you even look at the video, it looks like a cell phone or some other small device, not a gun.

Harding was probably a low life thug and maybe even killed the girl in Seattle, but we follow the rule of law. The guy wasn't being questioned in connection with the murder, he was being detained when 2 cops were doing a bus fare inspection. He fled, he was shot.

>> ^bareboards2:

This young man is the main suspect in the killing of a pregnant 19 year old in Seattle. He ran when he was approached about bus fare.
The news reports I read said that he was running and firing. On the street. In the middle of the day.
I hear a lot of upset people on this tape. They have gathered after all the shooting.
The title needs fixing.
We are in a world of hurt in this country when a man runs down the street, shooting a pistol in the attempt to kill police officers, and the police are at fault for stopping him by any means necessary.


Yeah, a suspect. It's irrelevant. And the cops that originally detained him weren't questioning him about any murder.

He wasn't running and firing. There were "10 shots fired over the course of six seconds Saturday as police chased 19-year-old Kenneth Wade Harding near Third Street in the Bayview - one shot at first, followed 1.9 seconds later by nine in rapid succession." (link)

And they can't find the gun? Somehow this guy gets shot multiple times and then throws his gun 15 feet in the open area behind him and the cops don't see it? And a guy several minutes later comes up and finds it while people are walking over it? And watch the other video, it's not a gun, it looks as though the camera man is the one who drops his cell phone and the guy points to it and says "phone". Then picks it up and disappears.

Re:"They have gathered after all the shooting." This video comes up on the scene right after the shooting happened.

>> ^marinara:

found gunshot residue on his hand, also gunshot detection system supports the police story.
fix the description too


Gunshot residue is hardly science. The police officer that rolled him over could've contaminated his hands, one of the shooters could've purposely contaminated his hands with his own, Harding could've been shot at close range with his hands up, or Harding could've previously shot a gun earlier in the day.

The gunshot detection system actually proves the police story is bunk. The guy fires at them, they shoot him down 2 seconds later and they can't find a gun?

Police say self defense. I say Police State.

I am backing out of this. Internet speculation. That link you provided? Witnesses say they saw a muzzle flash, but one man says he didn't. The shooting site was overrun by bystanders and completely contaminated, evidence has gone missing, stolen from the site.

We may never know the truth.

Except we do know that young black men running away from "stealing" a ride on the bus are NOT shot every day.

I wish you had a relative who worked as a public safety officer, marbles. I wish someone you loved risked their life on a daily basis doing their job. Because I think you would talk differently if it was your brother or your son or your sister chasing after a man firing a gun at them.

Anyway. I'm done with this. You are going to believe what you want. Not even a moment of doubt that that man was shooting while running? No room for that possibility? Just hatred and fear because they wear a badge. I got no time or energy fighting your hatred and fear.

I wish you well.

>> ^bareboards2:

I am backing out of this. Internet speculation. That link you provided? Witnesses say they saw a muzzle flash, but one man says he didn't. The shooting site was overrun by bystanders and completely contaminated, evidence has gone missing, stolen from the site.
We may never know the truth.
Except we do know that young black men running away from "stealing" a ride on the bus are NOT shot every day.
I wish you had a relative who worked as a public safety officer, marbles. I wish someone you loved risked their life on a daily basis doing their job. Because I think you would talk differently if it was your brother or your son or your sister chasing after a man firing a gun at them.
Anyway. I'm done with this. You are going to believe what you want. Not even a moment of doubt that that man was shooting while running? No room for that possibility? Just hatred and fear because they wear a badge. I got no time or energy fighting your hatred and fear.
I wish you well.


WTF is internet speculation? So what do you call parroting the police? The Police Chief said there were witnesses that saw a muzzle flash. Who is the Police Chief talking about? THE TWO COPS THAT SHOT THE KID! So where's the gun? There were several witnesses that said the kid didn't have a gun. The shooting site wasn't overrun by bystanders, and any contamination or theft was the willingness of the police to let it happen. And who's going to steal bullet casings? You have clear video of the scene right here immediately after it happened and yet you blindly defend the police.
You're backing out of it because you have no reason to believe what you believe other than your misguided and narrow-minded convictions that leave no room for rational thought. And you actually mock Christians for their beliefs?

Using your line of reasoning I should be telling you I wish you had a relative that was unjustly gun downed by a public safety officer, bareboards2. I think you would talk differently (WTF?) if it was your brother or your son or your sister murdered by the police.

Hatred and fear because they wear a badge? You don't have a fuckin clue what you're talking about. I have friends that are local cops, deputies, and in the military. That doesn't mean I'm a fuckin government sycophant. I believe in the rule of law, not the rule of government.

Do you have any rational arguments?

When I first posted the video, I took the original submitter at face value. There was no gun and MANY first handed witnesses in the video. I searched for a news article to get the latest on the story and found out Harding apparently had gunshot residue on his hands. So my next thought was that maybe he ditched the gun while fleeing. The quote I posted (in the first comment here) didn't make much sense, but I still thought it was plausible if he ditched his gun.
But that doesn't match up to what the police claimed happened. They claimed he shot 1 time, they returned fire shot 9 times, all in a matter of 6 seconds. So where's the gun? They didn't secure the gun? That's the first thing the cop would've done. Where's the bullet casings? Oh yeah, they mysteriously disappeared too.
And furthermore the story they concocted about a guy picking up the gun and running off and then somehow they magically find the gun later at some other anonymous parolee's house? That's complete bullshit. That alone should tell you they're covering it up.

Yeah, we may never know the truth. Just don't let that get in the way of believing your pack of lies.

I said I was backing out.

TL, DR.

Enjoy your outrage.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^bareboards2:
I am backing out of this. Internet speculation. That link you provided? Witnesses say they saw a muzzle flash, but one man says he didn't. The shooting site was overrun by bystanders and completely contaminated, evidence has gone missing, stolen from the site.
We may never know the truth.
Except we do know that young black men running away from "stealing" a ride on the bus are NOT shot every day.
I wish you had a relative who worked as a public safety officer, marbles. I wish someone you loved risked their life on a daily basis doing their job. Because I think you would talk differently if it was your brother or your son or your sister chasing after a man firing a gun at them.
Anyway. I'm done with this. You are going to believe what you want. Not even a moment of doubt that that man was shooting while running? No room for that possibility? Just hatred and fear because they wear a badge. I got no time or energy fighting your hatred and fear.
I wish you well.

WTF is internet speculation? So what do you call parroting the police? The Police Chief said there were witnesses that saw a muzzle flash. Who is the Police Chief talking about? THE TWO COPS THAT SHOT THE KID! So where's the gun? There were several witnesses that said the kid didn't have a gun. The shooting site wasn't overrun by bystanders, and any contamination or theft was the willingness of the police to let it happen. And who's going to steal bullet casings? You have clear video of the scene right here immediately after it happened and yet you blindly defend the police.
You're backing out of it because you have no reason to believe what you believe other than your misguided and narrow-minded convictions that leave no room for rational thought. And you actually mock Christians for their beliefs?
Using your line of reasoning I should be telling you I wish you had a relative that was unjustly gun downed by a public safety officer, bareboards2. I think you would talk differently (WTF?) if it was your brother or your son or your sister murdered by the police.
Hatred and fear because they wear a badge? You don't have a fuckin clue what you're talking about. I have friends that are local cops, deputies, and in the military. That doesn't mean I'm a fuckin government sycophant. I believe in the rule of law, not the rule of government.
Do you have any rational arguments?
When I first posted the video, I took the original submitter at face value. There was no gun and MANY first handed witnesses in the video. I searched for a news article to get the latest on the story and found out Harding apparently had gunshot residue on his hands. So my next thought was that maybe he ditched the gun while fleeing. The quote I posted (in the first comment here) didn't make much sense, but I still thought it was plausible if he ditched his gun.
But that doesn't match up to what the police claimed happened. They claimed he shot 1 time, they returned fire shot 9 times, all in a matter of 6 seconds. So where's the gun? They didn't secure the gun? That's the first thing the cop would've done. Where's the bullet casings? Oh yeah, they mysteriously disappeared too.
And furthermore the story they concocted about a guy picking up the gun and running off and then somehow they magically find the gun later at some other anonymous parolee's house? That's complete bullshit. That alone should tell you they're covering it up.
Yeah, we may never know the truth. Just don't let that get in the way of believing your pack of lies.

>> ^bareboards2:

I said I was backing out.
TL, DR.
Enjoy your outrage.
>> ^marbles:
>> ^bareboards2:
I am backing out of this. Internet speculation. That link you provided? Witnesses say they saw a muzzle flash, but one man says he didn't. The shooting site was overrun by bystanders and completely contaminated, evidence has gone missing, stolen from the site.
We may never know the truth.
Except we do know that young black men running away from "stealing" a ride on the bus are NOT shot every day.
I wish you had a relative who worked as a public safety officer, marbles. I wish someone you loved risked their life on a daily basis doing their job. Because I think you would talk differently if it was your brother or your son or your sister chasing after a man firing a gun at them.
Anyway. I'm done with this. You are going to believe what you want. Not even a moment of doubt that that man was shooting while running? No room for that possibility? Just hatred and fear because they wear a badge. I got no time or energy fighting your hatred and fear.
I wish you well.

WTF is internet speculation? So what do you call parroting the police? The Police Chief said there were witnesses that saw a muzzle flash. Who is the Police Chief talking about? THE TWO COPS THAT SHOT THE KID! So where's the gun? There were several witnesses that said the kid didn't have a gun. The shooting site wasn't overrun by bystanders, and any contamination or theft was the willingness of the police to let it happen. And who's going to steal bullet casings? You have clear video of the scene right here immediately after it happened and yet you blindly defend the police.
You're backing out of it because you have no reason to believe what you believe other than your misguided and narrow-minded convictions that leave no room for rational thought. And you actually mock Christians for their beliefs?
Using your line of reasoning I should be telling you I wish you had a relative that was unjustly gun downed by a public safety officer, bareboards2. I think you would talk differently (WTF?) if it was your brother or your son or your sister murdered by the police.
Hatred and fear because they wear a badge? You don't have a fuckin clue what you're talking about. I have friends that are local cops, deputies, and in the military. That doesn't mean I'm a fuckin government sycophant. I believe in the rule of law, not the rule of government.
Do you have any rational arguments?
When I first posted the video, I took the original submitter at face value. There was no gun and MANY first handed witnesses in the video. I searched for a news article to get the latest on the story and found out Harding apparently had gunshot residue on his hands. So my next thought was that maybe he ditched the gun while fleeing. The quote I posted (in the first comment here) didn't make much sense, but I still thought it was plausible if he ditched his gun.
But that doesn't match up to what the police claimed happened. They claimed he shot 1 time, they returned fire shot 9 times, all in a matter of 6 seconds. So where's the gun? They didn't secure the gun? That's the first thing the cop would've done. Where's the bullet casings? Oh yeah, they mysteriously disappeared too.
And furthermore the story they concocted about a guy picking up the gun and running off and then somehow they magically find the gun later at some other anonymous parolee's house? That's complete bullshit. That alone should tell you they're covering it up.
Yeah, we may never know the truth. Just don't let that get in the way of believing your pack of lies.



Wow. Vile statist also lacks maturity. Who knew?

@bareboards2
Quantum mechanically, EVERYTHING is possible.

Tho which has a higher probability of occurring, Oh Queen Goddess of Tempered Reason & Logic:

1. Guy got spooked. Ran.

2. Cops felt empowered because they thought they were about to catch "a bad guy".
    (Cause.. only criminals run from police, you know)

3. They shot to wound him but killed him instead

4. They made up a story to cover their asses.

OR

1. Guy got spooked. Ran.

2. Shot backward at police.

3. From underneath his arm.

4. While running forward in a full sprint.

5. The momentum of his fall flung the gun (from underneath his arm) 15 feet away.

6a. The police saw this but failed to collect the evidence immediately.
(OR)
6b. The police never saw that the suspect was disarmed during the fall.

7. They waited 5 or 10 minutes before even approaching the body to locate the weapon.

8. Made no attempt to secure the area were the weapon was likely dropped by the suspect.

9. Let large crowds form and contaminate the scene even tho they knew the weapon was missing.

10. Days later they stumbled across video footage of the weapon being collected.

11. Found out who shot the video.

12. Found out who collected the weapon in the video.

13. Tracked that person down.

14. Retrieved the weapon without incidence.



>> ^bareboards2:

Anyway. I'm done with this.
You are going to believe what you want.
Not even a moment of doubt that that man was shooting while running?
No room for that possibility?

I meant it. Enjoy your outrage. No sarcasm.

Maybe I was stating the obvious. You are enjoying your outrage, aren't you?

>> ^marbles:

>> ^bareboards2:
I said I was backing out.
TL, DR.
Enjoy your outrage.

>> ^bareboards2:

I meant it. Enjoy your outrage. No sarcasm.
Maybe I was stating the obvious. You are enjoying your outrage, aren't you?
>> ^marbles:
>> ^bareboards2:
I said I was backing out.
TL, DR.
Enjoy your outrage.



LOL you're not fooling anyone.

@GenjiKilpatrick

The other video clearly shows the guy picking up a cell phone (not a gun) and audibly says "phone" while he's pointing at it to the videographer.

Initially the police implied Harding was firing indiscriminately at the officers while fleeing. Then the story changes when they realize they have to go by what the gunshot detection system said. But somehow they can't find the gun. I guess it's better to be charged incompetent, than to be charged with murder.

The officers clearly contaminate the suspect when they rolled him over. (Gunshot residue)

And the gun they found later is a different size caliber than the one used in the Seattle murder, yet the police chief says they'll have to wait for ballistics to see if the gun matches the murder weapon. Pure political propaganda.

This is a top to bottom cover up. I'd like to think that maybe one of the cops just got anxious and shot at Harding's general direction (not necessarily at him) and then other cop freaks and starts shooting at Harding in the back, killing him. But who knows how it went down. What we do know is there was no other gun at the scene.

Go ahead and make your judgments based on insufficient knowledge.

that'll work.

@marbles, it very well may be police brutality at play here. It very well may be "pure political propaganda" surrounding this incident. It's looking very likely that that is, in fact, the case. Nevertheless you are making nothing, nothing, but conjecture, speculation, and presupposition. The fact is, you, and, indeed, the rest of the public do not have all the facts yet. So you can scream and shout police state all you want. Bareboards and i are still gonna tell you you are far too hastily leaping to conclusions based almost entirely on speculation, which really just makes you look silly

>> ^marbles:


Wow. Vile statist also lacks maturity. Who knew?


irony 101

>> ^marbles:

>> ^bareboards2:
I am backing out of this. Internet speculation. That link you provided? Witnesses say they saw a muzzle flash, but one man says he didn't. The shooting site was overrun by bystanders and completely contaminated, evidence has gone missing, stolen from the site.
We may never know the truth.
Except we do know that young black men running away from "stealing" a ride on the bus are NOT shot every day.
I wish you had a relative who worked as a public safety officer, marbles. I wish someone you loved risked their life on a daily basis doing their job. Because I think you would talk differently if it was your brother or your son or your sister chasing after a man firing a gun at them.
Anyway. I'm done with this. You are going to believe what you want. Not even a moment of doubt that that man was shooting while running? No room for that possibility? Just hatred and fear because they wear a badge. I got no time or energy fighting your hatred and fear.
I wish you well.

WTF is internet speculation? So what do you call parroting the police? The Police Chief said there were witnesses that saw a muzzle flash. Who is the Police Chief talking about? THE TWO COPS THAT SHOT THE KID! So where's the gun? There were several witnesses that said the kid didn't have a gun. The shooting site wasn't overrun by bystanders, and any contamination or theft was the willingness of the police to let it happen. And who's going to steal bullet casings? You have clear video of the scene right here immediately after it happened and yet you blindly defend the police.
You're backing out of it because you have no reason to believe what you believe other than your misguided and narrow-minded convictions that leave no room for rational thought. And you actually mock Christians for their beliefs?
Using your line of reasoning I should be telling you I wish you had a relative that was unjustly gun downed by a public safety officer, bareboards2. I think you would talk differently (WTF?) if it was your brother or your son or your sister murdered by the police.
Hatred and fear because they wear a badge? You don't have a fuckin clue what you're talking about. I have friends that are local cops, deputies, and in the military. That doesn't mean I'm a fuckin government sycophant. I believe in the rule of law, not the rule of government.
Do you have any rational arguments?
When I first posted the video, I took the original submitter at face value. There was no gun and MANY first handed witnesses in the video. I searched for a news article to get the latest on the story and found out Harding apparently had gunshot residue on his hands. So my next thought was that maybe he ditched the gun while fleeing. The quote I posted (in the first comment here) didn't make much sense, but I still thought it was plausible if he ditched his gun.
But that doesn't match up to what the police claimed happened. They claimed he shot 1 time, they returned fire shot 9 times, all in a matter of 6 seconds. So where's the gun? They didn't secure the gun? That's the first thing the cop would've done. Where's the bullet casings? Oh yeah, they mysteriously disappeared too.
And furthermore the story they concocted about a guy picking up the gun and running off and then somehow they magically find the gun later at some other anonymous parolee's house? That's complete bullshit. That alone should tell you they're covering it up.
Yeah, we may never know the truth. Just don't let that get in the way of believing your pack of lies.


the site wasnt overrun by bystanders? were you watching the fucking same video?!

anyway, the crux of it is this. in your own words, we have a video of the scene right after. and youre right. thats all it fucking is. the aftermath. no context. no lead in. just aftermath. and you are so quick to demonize the officers. with nothing but aftermath to go on. no context. no evidence. just speculation and aftermath. so in what damn way is that any different than what you are accusing (laughably i might add) bareboards of?

you say you believe in the rule of law and yet you are lynching (at least verbally) every cop on that scene. and based on what? some very early reports, a handful of conflicting eye witness accounts, and a video that literally has zero context. rule of law my fucking ass.

i can see both sides of this, and frankly, its plausible either way. but until i have all the evidence, i cannot intelligently make any kind of conclusion. oh but not you, you who has that 6th sense about these things. Those cops totally did it! i mean look at em! they look like dirty cops. and everyone knows cops are corrupt and theyre all part of political propaganda coverups. someone get a rope!

let me get this straight now. Is this the story:

police spot a teenager sneaking on the rail platform without paying ( everyday occurance )

after they chase him for a while, they both just decide to shoot the kid in the neck, before he gets out of range.

The gun couldn't possibly go missing because of all the extremely helpful people at the scene.

do i have this right? any corrections after I downvote?

1 more thing...why would the police hold a gun on a teenager like they did in this video if he really wasn't a threat? Were they just acting?

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2011/07/kenneth_harding_bayview_shooting.php
At a press conference today, Chief Greg Suhr played the audio file from Shot Spotter for reporters. The first shot, supposedly from the suspect, was fairly soft sounding, which is indicative of a lower-caliber firearm. The shot is then followed by a rapid barrage of shots. A total of 10 shots were recorded in less than six seconds, according to the audio.

Moving this video to marbles's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.

>> ^smooman:

@marbles, it very well may be police brutality at play here. It very well may be "pure political propaganda" surrounding this incident. It's looking very likely that that is, in fact, the case. Nevertheless you are making nothing, nothing, but conjecture, speculation, and presupposition. The fact is, you, and, indeed, the rest of the public do not have all the facts yet. So you can scream and shout police state all you want. Bareboards and i are still gonna tell you you are far too hastily leaping to conclusions based almost entirely on speculation, which really just makes you look silly


I think I found your misplaced bias.

Bareboards2:

"This young man killed a pregnant 19 year old in Seattle. When cops approached him for a minor traffic issue, he ran and started firing."

"This young man is the main suspect in the killing of a pregnant 19 year old in Seattle."

"We are in a world of hurt in this country when a man runs down the street, shooting a pistol in the attempt to kill police officers, and the police are at fault for stopping him by any means necessary."

>> ^marinara:

...why would the police hold a gun on a teenager like they did in this video if he really wasn't a threat? Were they just acting?


Maybe. Why did some turn their back to the suspect after the crowd came up if he was a threat? Why did the cops lower their weapons? Why did that cop roll him over if he had a gun?

Video here of a guy that was shot 4 times for carving wood. Cop lets him bleed out while waiting for backup so they can approach the lifeless body of the carving-knife wielding man in a group formation.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^marinara:
...why would the police hold a gun on a teenager like they did in this video if he really wasn't a threat? Were they just acting?

Maybe. Why did some turn their back to the suspect after the crowd came up if he was a threat? Why did the cops lower their weapons? Why did that cop roll him over if he had a gun?
Video here of a guy that was shot 4 times for carving wood. Cop lets him bleed out while waiting for backup so they can approach the lifeless body of the carving-knife wielding man in a group formation.

you really dont know the first damn thing about security do you? just stop talking, hell

I haven't read all the comments so I'm not sure if anyone feels the same as I do. This seems to be a popular video but I also think it's a little much for VideoSift. I'd hate to see this site become a gore site. I see this video was published just about 6 years ago, to my surprise.

I do body recovery, meaning that if there are human remains from motor vehicle crashes, crime scenes, suicides etc, it's my job to pick them up and bag them. My point being that I'm not offended by content like this but, rather it's something that tends to "grow kids up" before they are ready. There is no "NSFK" warning so I think videos like this might be better off at sites that publish this kind of content.

Just my opinion. Anyone else?