I don't get it.
Here in Canada, No one left their houses - or cared
Smells like propaganda is running amuck.

Our bloodthirsty monkeys are no different than their bloodthirsty monkeys. Watch the wheel keep on spinnin'!

Could some American provide us with the context explaining why everybody acts like their government was just brought to their knees?

>> ^luxury_pie:

Could some American provide us with the context explaining why everybody acts like their government was just brought to their knees?


They're Americans.

I cannot, in good conscience, upvote this video. These people are no better than the people that cheered when the towers went down. They are both the basest form of human beings. I am thoroughly disgusted with these my fellow Americans.

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:

>> ^luxury_pie:
Could some American provide us with the context explaining why everybody acts like their government was just brought to their knees?

They're Americans.
I cannot, in good conscience, upvote this video. These people are no better than the people that cheered when the towers went down. They are both the basest form of human beings. I am thoroughly disgusted with these my fellow Americans.


The only difference is that the towers killed 3000 innocent civilians meanwhile Osama was the one that killed them. Some would call that difference non-trivial.

Does it list how many casualties such as family and friends of osama were killed in the firefight? I have not read much, as per Sageminds point.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:
>> ^luxury_pie:
Could some American provide us with the context explaining why everybody acts like their government was just brought to their knees?

They're Americans.
I cannot, in good conscience, upvote this video. These people are no better than the people that cheered when the towers went down. They are both the basest form of human beings. I am thoroughly disgusted with these my fellow Americans.

The only difference is that the towers killed 3000 innocent civilians meanwhile Osama was the one that killed them. Some would call that difference non-trivial.



To me there is no difference. If you have any kind of moral conscience or respect for life you would see that running through the streets celebrating the death of anyone (1 or 3000, terrorist or innocent civilian) is a terrible and unconscionable thing to do.

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^Opus_Moderandi:
>> ^luxury_pie:
Could some American provide us with the context explaining why everybody acts like their government was just brought to their knees?

They're Americans.
I cannot, in good conscience, upvote this video. These people are no better than the people that cheered when the towers went down. They are both the basest form of human beings. I am thoroughly disgusted with these my fellow Americans.

The only difference is that the towers killed 3000 innocent civilians meanwhile Osama was the one that killed them. Some would call that difference non-trivial.


To me there is no difference. If you have any kind of moral conscience or respect for life you would see that running through the streets celebrating the death of anyone (1 or 3000, terrorist or innocent civilian) is a terrible and unconscionable thing to do.


So when Germany was defeated and Hitler was dead, celebrating his death was a terrible and unconscionable thing to do?

Osama was responsible for civilian deaths on a weekly basis right up until the day he was killed. The fact most of them were Pakistani in origin may be lost on you and many in this crowd as well, but I will say his death brings me some joy in the knowledge that it is a big step towards SAVING innocent lives.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:
>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^Opus_Moderandi:
>> ^luxury_pie:
Could some American provide us with the context explaining why everybody acts like their government was just brought to their knees?

They're Americans.
I cannot, in good conscience, upvote this video. These people are no better than the people that cheered when the towers went down. They are both the basest form of human beings. I am thoroughly disgusted with these my fellow Americans.

The only difference is that the towers killed 3000 innocent civilians meanwhile Osama was the one that killed them. Some would call that difference non-trivial.


To me there is no difference. If you have any kind of moral conscience or respect for life you would see that running through the streets celebrating the death of anyone (1 or 3000, terrorist or innocent civilian) is a terrible and unconscionable thing to do.

So when Germany was defeated and Hitler was dead, celebrating his death was a terrible and unconscionable thing to do?
Osama was responsible for civilian deaths on a weekly basis right up until the day he was killed. The fact most of them were Pakistani in origin may be lost on you and many in this crowd as well, but I will say his death brings me some joy in the knowledge that it is a big step towards SAVING innocent lives.


Hitler doesn't really have anything to do with this but, since you mentioned it, Yes, celebrating Hitler's death by cheering in the streets was terrible and unconscionable. Although, in that instance, I think more people were cheering for the defeat of Germany and an end to the war than they were Hitler's death. Can't be certain as I wasn't there but, that's the notion I get from the information available.

Do you really think killing Osama is going to be the end of Al Qaeda and muslim radical terrorists wanting to kill us? Wake up and smell the burnt toast!

I DO believe the death of both Hitler and Osama is a good thing. But I feel running through the streets and cheering about it is the wrong reaction, especially when so much loss is attached to the name. I'm as disgusted watching Americans do it as I was when I watched Muslims do it because it all leads back to the same thing. Ignorance.

But that's me...

Although, in that instance, I think more people were cheering for the defeat of Germany and an end to the war than they were Hitler's death.

I would similarly credit the celebrations here as being more for a major victory against terrorism than pure blood lust reveling in someone's death. Hitler's death wasn't the end of the war either. It continued on for some time before Japan surrendered as well.

Do you really think killing Osama is going to be the end of Al Qaeda and muslim radical terrorists wanting to kill us?

Of course not. That's why I already said as much too, calling this merely a 'big step'.

I DO believe the death of both Hitler and Osama is a good thing.

Which is just about all that I'm trying to say. I didn't feel like running naked in the streets singing either, but I'm accustomed to other people being less inhibited than me when they think something good has happened.

Additionally, as I pointed out before I suspect a great deal of the celebrating crowd isn't there to celebrate death and vengeance, but a significant victory over terrorism and blow to their ability to kill more innocents.

I would similarly credit the celebrations here as being more for a major victory against terrorism than pure blood lust reveling in someone's death. Hitler's death wasn't the end of the war either. It continued on for some time before Japan surrendered as well.

I think you're wrong. I think it IS blood lust. I think it's retaliatory because they saw "the enemy" do it on 9/11.

Of course not. That's why I already said as much too, calling this merely a 'big step'.

I agree, I think it is a big step in the right direction but, far from over and not nearly cause for the type of celebration happening now.

Which is just about all that I'm trying to say. I didn't feel like running naked in the streets singing either, but I'm accustomed to other people being less inhibited than me when they think something good has happened.

Oh, I thought you were trying to say me denouncing people running in the streets cheering about Osama's death was a bad thing. Anyway, your 2nd sentence I can understand to a degree. If your son or daughter scores the winning point in a game or you win the lottery, sure, run down the street and scream all you want. If your son or daughter comes home from the war unharmed, live it up! But, if your son or daughter died in that war and you found out the man that killed them was dead, I honestly don't think your reaction will be cheerful.

Additionally, as I pointed out before I suspect a great deal of the celebrating crowd isn't there to celebrate death and vengeance, but a significant victory over terrorism and blow to their ability to kill more innocents.

And I'll say it again, I think you're wrong. Celebrating death and vengeance is EXACTLY what it is.
And it won't effect terrorists ability to kill anyone, it will just give them the fortitude to go on with their plan to rid the world of infidels.

And lastly, to be totally irrelevant, I wonder how many of those cheering people are "good christians"...

Matthew 5:44 - But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:

^ And I think you're wrong but, let's just agree to disagree and leave it there.


Agreed.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:
^ And I think you're wrong but, let's just agree to disagree and leave it there.

Agreed.


Oops, sorry. I decided to respond after posting that.
But, I'm done now. I can understand most of your points. I don't agree with some of them but, that's what makes this country great, the ability to disagree without fear of repercussions.

I don't agree with some of them but, that's what makes this country great

Hey now, don't go lumping me in with all you war mongers down there, I'm a peace loving Canadian.

As to our disagreeing it seems our main disagreement is simply over guessing the crowd's motivation. I think that's a pretty small and ambiguous point, with the Tea Partiers and birthers as numerous as they are maybe you have a better read on your countrymen than I do. In my experience though students like those at Penn State tend more toward cheering for the represented victory than for revenge and bloodlust.

I think part of my outspokenness on the issue is due to the extreme left stance of many of my own countrymen. The deputy leader of our opposition was wanting a full analysis of the incident with Osama to determine if it was 'self-defense' or a cold blooded killing .

The public responses I find more disturbing are from within Pakistan's National Assembly and Senate hearings. Articles from the Pakistani news outlet "The News" can be found here and here. Here are some of the deeply disturbing comments being made by members of Pakistan's National Assembly and Senate:

Deputy leader of the JUI-F, Mufti Kifayatullah said "We assure the world that Pakistan is not a killing field for the Muslims. Osama is a hero and we consider such incidents an attack on the sovereignty of Pakistan".

Dr Khalid Soomro of the JUI-F said "Who can believe that Osama was living in Pakistan and Pakistan was unaware of it," He later said a warning had to have been given before the operation and the operation was launched subsequently and questioned what Pakistan had received as a result of cooperation with the US against bin Laden.

Professor Khurshid said heads must roll for not fulfilling responsibilities towards Pakistan’s security and integrity. “The intelligence agencies and Army who take a big share of the budget are answerable to the people and parliament,” he said.


It seems a very large number of top ranking Pakistani officials are agreed that Osama could not have been hiding there without the help of the ISI and/or military. That it is an outrage that the ISI and/or military allowed Osama the operation against Osama. And their outrage isn't the harboring of a terrorist responsible for killing tens of thousands of Pakistani muslims, their outrage is that Osama was a muslim hero and how dare the ISI and/or military betray such a hero. I find that infinitely more disturbing than these celebrations.