I cannot hear what she's saying.

Amendment I:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or the press; or the right of the people peaceable to assemble and to petition the government for redress of grievances.

Article IV Section II
This Constitution and the laws of the united states which shall be made in Pursuance thereof and all treaties made or which shall be made under the Authority of the United States shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State Contrary notwithstanding. - The U.S. Constitution and Fascinating Facts About It. Page 43.

According to the movie Religulous, 16% of non religious American citizens out number all the religious, and the NRA lobby.

Take that for what you will,

yet the 16% do not have a lobby.

Reminds me of my mother, who just informed me that Bill Ayers wrote Obama's books. *facepalm

Yeah, don't hate Obama because of an Arab sounding name.
Hate him because he is black and has African roots!

What the f-=ck is wrong with this country when we have to lie about a black man an say he is Arab? What the f-ck is wrong when it's not good enough he is Christian and black that we have to pretend he is Muslim. Isn't there enough hatred for the black man anymore? Do we really need call him a white man who is Arab? (yes, arabs are considered white or at least asian, only egyptian arabs are technically african)

Last I checked, being half white and being raised by white people makes you more white than black. And supporting crazy terrorists including mulsims makes you more muslim than Christian. But I could be misunderstanding my past Theory of Logic...

/\ Ill returning a favor:

"I think David Thompson made more sense during the city meeting than you just did."

>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
Last I checked, being half white and being raised by white people makes you more white than black. And supporting crazy terrorists including mulsims makes you more muslim than Christian. But I could be misunderstanding my past Theory of Logic...


Believe it or not, most of us don't expect a lot of theory or logic from a guy with a Steven Segal avatar.

"Barack Obama's never been a Muslim... he's a Christian. His father was a Muslim, but he's a Christian."

"Yeah, but he's still got Muslim in him!"

Just like if you're born in America, you're Christian, right? I swear to God, half of McCain's supporters don't know the difference between religion and ethnicity, or Arabs and Muslims, or other scary-sounding middle-eastern words.

I'd love it if someone could find this lady's phone number for me; I have a charity that badly needs a donation from her. That is, if she has any left from all the Egyptian princes she's given money to.

LMAO!

>> ^rougy:
>>^CaptainPlanet420:
Last I checked, being half white and being raised by white people makes you more white than black. And supporting crazy terrorists including mulsims makes you more muslim than Christian. But I could be misunderstanding my past Theory of Logic...

Believe it or not, most of us don't expect a lot of theory or logic from a guy with a Steven Segal avatar.

And what would happen if Keith Ellison, the Muslim Congressman from Minnesota, was to run for President? Has he tried to take over America with jihad?

Everybody uses the world Muslim like it's equivalent with terrorist. In that vein, I could call every Christian in this country Timothy McVeigh.

I can't get way from these moronic McCain supporters who think that Obama is a Muslim, as if that would be a bad thing.

Holy fuck.

anyone got this with subtitles, cant understand half of what she is saying.

Great foreground music, shame about the interview going on in the background.

Welcome to Middle America, witness the reason people refer to it as fly-over country, where the ignorant and inbred use the local lie-berry to gather 'evidence' to bolster their ignorant worldviews.

>> ^Memorare:
Welcome to Middle America, witness the reason people refer to it as fly-over country, where the ignorant and inbred use the local lie-berry to gather 'evidence' to bolster their ignorant worldviews.


You should realize that the kind of people that you think inhabit the Midwest are actually a minority out here.

I am deeply disturbed at the fact that they are getting her to give her name, hometown, and attempted to get her phone number -- and then posted the video on YouTube. It seems like they are deliberately trying to get this woman inundated with hate mail.

She's ignorant and fearful and not very smart. And she doesn't deserve being hounded by every yahoo who gets mad at her and her views.

This is the tyranny of the internet.

I hope and pray this poor woman isn't being attacked. I can just imagine her not understanding why all these people are calling her and sending her hate mail. Sitting at home, clueless.

These young people should be ashamed of themselves. They could easily have bleeped out the details before posting.

I agree with bareboards. This video isn't even worth our time. This woman is clearly not intelligent and very ignorant. Sifters probably love it because they see it as some kind of reflection on McCain supporters. All I see is some silly people letting themselves become offended by a half-crazy lady. She's 75 and they're sort of bullying her.

>> ^thinker247:
And what would happen if Keith Ellison, the Muslim Congressman from Minnesota, was to run for President? Has he tried to take over America with jihad?
Everybody uses the world Muslim like it's equivalent with terrorist. In that vein, I could call every Christian in this country Timothy McVeigh.
I can't get way from these moronic McCain supporters who think that Obama is a Muslim, as if that would be a bad thing.
Holy fuck.


Yeah, they're kind of like the HUGE group of people who chose Mitt Romney's Mormonism as a reason not to vote for him. The fact of the matter is that people are still very bigoted when it comes to religion in this country. Everyone, including Atheists, could use a good dose of tolerance and humility.

The largest Christian church in this area is almost openly hostile against members of my church. I sometimes wonder if they have ANY idea what Jesus Christ stood for.

Honestly, I didn't give a shit what this waste of skin had to say after I first heard her open her idiot hole, and I sure as hell don't feel compelled to see her interviewed.

Bullying? If she can't handle it, maybe she shouldn't spread rumors about Obama that she hasn't verified. Why should it matter if she's 75? If she's ignorant she shouldn't even be allowed to vote, let alone spread lies about someone.

>> ^thepinky:
I agree with bareboards. This video isn't even worth our time. This woman is clearly not intelligent and very ignorant. Sifters probably love it because they see it as some kind of reflection on McCain supporters. All I see is some silly people letting themselves become offended by a half-crazy lady. She's 75 and they're sort of bullying her.

None of us is as cruel as all of us.

LOL. Idiot lady gave her full name when asked by some idiot with a camera. Serves her right for holding unquestioned idiot ideas.

If she can't tell the difference between born in Hawaii, or that Kenya is not in Arabia, or that muslim is not passed down through the blood or the maternal line she deserves whats she gets.

Oh yeah, there is no such thing as "born again". They lied, it was made up to make coke addicts, dry drunks and whores feel better about themselves.

>> ^thinker247:
Bullying? If she can't handle it, maybe she shouldn't spread rumors about Obama that she hasn't verified. Why should it matter if she's 75? If she's ignorant she shouldn't even be allowed to vote, let alone spread lies about someone.
>> ^thepinky:
I agree with bareboards. This video isn't even worth our time. This woman is clearly not intelligent and very ignorant. Sifters probably love it because they see it as some kind of reflection on McCain supporters. All I see is some silly people letting themselves become offended by a half-crazy lady. She's 75 and they're sort of bullying her.

That's just a poor, confused old woman. They should leave her alone.

For people that want to see the transcript or have subtitles go here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/11/32920/210/241/627242

Who's got a copy of the letter? I don't want to have to write the confused old lady in order to get one.

I'd like to know exactly how wacky these McCain supporters are.

>> ^thepinky:
She's 75 and they're sort of bullying her.


I love the internet for all the great things it has brought to our lives, including Obama being so close to the presidency. Wouldn't have happened without the internet.

I am dismayed by the internet when I read some of these ugly comments. The lack of empathy of a fellow human being that is often shown here is distressing to me.

Thepinky gets it -- she's old and confused. Imagine this poor woman. Just take a second and imagine what it might be like for her right now. She clearly doesn't understand the consequences of answering what she perceived to be a polite question -- what's your name. Gee, how do you spell that? She doesn't know that this might be going into millions of houses, filled with irate and unfeeling jackasses who think it is okay to harass a senior citizen.

So here she is, sitting at home, and I'm thinking she is getting inundate with hate mail and hate and pranky phone calls. I hope that I am wrong. SHE IS OLD AND CONFUSED. What do you think is going through her mind, what do you think she is feeling?

Oh yeah, I forgot. She's just a sack of skin to some of you. Not a person with feelings, and children and grandchildren.

She was ignorant enough to give her name. The shameful act is the posters, who put it out on the internet when they could have bleeped it out.

I fear they did a terrible thing to this old woman. A terrible thing.

hmm...I hated stupid people, regardless of age, before the Internet age. I'm not quite sure what you're getting at, unless you somehow think that the Internet has brought out the worst in people because we're protected by becoming avatars on a screen. Faulty logic.

Imagine this poor woman, you say? Yeah, I feel terrible for someone who should keep her fucking mouth shut if she's so confused and mentally slow. She went to a forum, obviously littered with television cameras, and grabbed a microphone to convey her fear of an ARAB in the White House! Gee golly gosh, Batman! Not an ARAB! Because it would be so terrible if an ARAB was allowed in the White House! *clenches teeth and shakes uncontrollably*

If she's mentally lapsing, it isn't because she's old. It's because she's stupid. Bertrand Russell was almost 98 years old when he died, but his mind was a steel trap. Most likely because he USED IT. If he were alive, he'd probably tell that woman to shut up and sit down.

Also, by your logic we should ignore all the stupid things McCain has said, because he's only three years younger than that woman! Let's give him a break, too!

BULLSHIT.

>> ^bareboards:
>>^thepinky:
She's 75 and they're sort of bullying her.

I love the internet for all the great things it has brought to our lives, including Obama being so close to the presidency. Wouldn't have happened without the internet.
I am dismayed by the internet when I read some of these ugly comments. The lack of empathy of a fellow human being that is often shown here is distressing to me.
Thepinky gets it -- she's old and confused. Imagine this poor woman. Just take a second and imagine what it might be like for her right now. She clearly doesn't understand the consequences of answering what she perceived to be a polite question -- what's your name. Gee, how do you spell that? She doesn't know that this might be going into millions of houses, filled with irate and unfeeling jackasses who think it is okay to harass a senior citizen.
So here she is, sitting at home, and I'm thinking she is getting inundate with hate mail and hate and pranky phone calls. I hope that I am wrong. SHE IS OLD AND CONFUSED. What do you think is going through her mind, what do you think she is feeling?
Oh yeah, I forgot. She's just a sack of skin to some of you. Not a person with feelings, and children and grandchildren.
She was ignorant enough to give her name. The shameful act is the posters, who put it out on the internet when they could have bleeped it out.
I fear they did a terrible thing to this old woman. A terrible thing.

^
You just can't see her as a human being, can you? You have to punish her for being stupid. What is that about?

And yeah, I think you are hiding behind the avatars. Why is my logic faulty? Just because you say so? My own bullshit test is to ask -- would you say the same thing to someone's face?

And talk about faulty logic -- why are you bringing McCain into this? He isn't stupid or confused. He's on the stage running for president. He doesn't get a pass from me.

Look, I don't like what she said, either. I am scared by the number of people who believe the lies told about Obama.

But if you and folks like you continue this cycle of violence against each other when we don't agree, we are heading for a dysfunctional and increasingly hateful society.

It is in your power and only in your power to treat the next person well.

Tell me how you are different from this woman? I see you both as fearful - lashing out - incurious - unforgiving - intolerant of "the other."

Would you want your grandmother to be inundated with hate mail and hate phone calls?

I was talking to my aunt yesterday on the phone. She is in charge of elections and registrations for a small rural county in a deeply red Southern state. She told me that they registered more voters in the past two days than all of last year. In the middle of her story, she also told me that it was a bunch of niggers registering.

Normally, my response to this sort of thing in my family is to say "I can't control how you talk. But if you are going to talk like this, I will leave the room." I have hated this kind of talk my whole life and have always fought it.

But my aunt is sick. She is probably at the end of her life. She is in the middle of her third fight with cancer and I don't think she is going to get through this one. She, too, is older -- older than this woman. She is retiring soon.

Do I get into it with her? What good does that do? Twenty years ago, yeah, I'll get into it. But it served no purpose to fight that battle with her under the circumstances.

Same with this woman. What good does it do to punish her? How is the world a better place? What does it accomplish?

Especially if you are hiding behind your avatars and anonymous phone calls and a choking cloud of self-righteous anger. That is just ugly.

I never said she wasn't human. Just a stupid one. And I'm not punishing her. Just mentioning her flaws that should require her to stay away from a voting booth.

And I'm not hiding behind my avatar. I talk like this in real life every day, to peoples' faces. I once mocked a co-worker for his stupidity. Should I feel bad for telling someone to their face, something nobody else would?

"Cycle of violence?" Are we being a bit menstrual here? I never said we should crowd around her and beat her up. Just don't let her in a voting booth. Do one of those delightful purges of the voter rolls.

Tell me how you're different than this woman.

I use my intelligence to decipher the truth. If I can't be sure about something, I don't air my concern over a national medium. I also don't automatically give my name to people just because they ask for it.

I am not fearful of, nor lashing out at, this woman or others like her. I despise their right to vote, but that's it. She could worry about the A-rabs forever for all I care, but I don't like that she can take that ignorance into a booth designed for intelligent, informed people.

Bringing up your aunt's sickness doesn't pull on my heart strings, nor does it make her use of "nigger" suddenly seem like something not worth debating with her about. And no, I wouldn't care if somebody called my grandmother and berated her, because 1) she's dead and 2) if she was alive she would be smart enough to keep her mouth shut when confused about an issue. My grandmother spent every day of her adult life using her brain, reading books and newspapers and working on crossword puzzles to keep her mind sharp. She was extremely intelligent, without going to college, because she knew that anybody can focus their mind at any time. So nobody would even need a reason to berate her.

[...] why are you bringing McCain into this? He isn't stupid or confused. He's on the stage running for president.

Really? You think BOMB BOMB IRAN isn't stupid? Mr. "My Fellow Prisoners" isn't confused? If being on stage, running for president, makes you smart...what happened to George W. Bush?

>> ^bareboards:
^
You just can't see her as a human being, can you? You have to punish her for being stupid. What is that about?
And yeah, I think you are hiding behind the avatars. Why is my logic faulty? Just because you say so? My own bullshit test is to ask -- would you say the same thing to someone's face?
And talk about faulty logic -- why are you bringing McCain into this? He isn't stupid or confused. He's on the stage running for president. He doesn't get a pass from me.
Look, I don't like what she said, either. I am scared by the number of people who believe the lies told about Obama.
But if you and folks like you continue this cycle of violence against each other when we don't agree, we are heading for a dysfunctional and increasingly hateful society.
It is in your power and only in your power to treat the next person well.
Tell me how you are different from this woman? I see you both as fearful - lashing out - incurious - unforgiving - intolerant of "the other."
Would you want your grandmother to be inundated with hate mail and hate phone calls?
I was talking to my aunt yesterday on the phone. She is in charge of elections and registrations for a small rural county in a deeply red Southern state. She told me that they registered more voters in the past two days than all of last year. In the middle of her story, she also told me that it was a bunch of niggers registering.
Normally, my response to this sort of thing in my family is to say "I can't control how you talk. But if you are going to talk like this, I will leave the room." I have hated this kind of talk my whole life and have always fought it.
But my aunt is sick. She is probably at the end of her life. She is in the middle of her third fight with cancer and I don't think she is going to get through this one. She, too, is older -- older than this woman. She is retiring soon.
Do I get into it with her? What good does that do? Twenty years ago, yeah, I'll get into it. But it served no purpose to fight that battle with her under the circumstances.
Same with this woman. What good does it do to punish her? How is the world a better place? What does it accomplish?
Especially if you are hiding behind your avatars and anonymous phone calls and a choking cloud of self-righteous anger. That is just ugly.

^
Another problem with the internet?

Can't really have a discussion. Everything turns into dueling monologues. Oh well.

I didn't bring up my aunt to tug on your heartstrings. I brought her up as an example of when it's time to let things drop.

>>>I don't like that she can take that ignorance into a booth designed for intelligent, informed people.
Voting booth wasn't designed for intelligent informed people. We live in a democracy, not a meritocracy.

We aren't going to agree. We see the world differently. I'm tired of this exchange. I suspect you're tired of me.

I think I'll paraphrase Obama's book here, and mention that "those who fight racism with hate often have the opposite effect of what they intend." That's the reason I wish they had kept her name and address, etc out of this. She's going to tell random people about how Obama has "Muslim blood," and a healthy majority of them will ignore her, as they rightfully should. She's going to tell her family about the millions of hateful letters she got from "Obama's people," and many of them will wonder if he's full of it when he says, "It's time for a new kind of campaign." This will actually lose votes. That's what you call a good old-fashioned bad idea.

>> ^rougy:
>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
Last I checked, being half white and being raised by white people makes you more white than black. And supporting crazy terrorists including mulsims makes you more muslim than Christian. But I could be misunderstanding my past Theory of Logic...

Believe it or not, most of us don't expect a lot of theory or logic from a guy with a Steven Segal avatar.


I agree, but Seagal still is smarter, though barely, than mighty Ding Dong. After all, ya'll kids love evolution.

Changed embed to a video that includes subtitles.

If someone says false things they need to be called upon it lest they infect the rest of us with their stupid.

She needs to be told that what she says is false. She is not a bad person, she is just misinformed. She is wrong. You don't spare someone's feelings by not correcting them. If anything you hurt them more.

(Incidentally, it's the same reason I'm anti-religious.)

I suspect you're tired of me.

Are you kidding? I love a good debate. And it may sound heated, but I really am just debating. Nothing too serious, regardless of the tone.

Oh, and we've never lived in a democracy. That's just a silly word white men made up in order to give minorities and women the idea that they can be equal someday. Of course we live in a meritocracy. Capitalism would die without it.

>> ^bareboards:
^
Another problem with the internet?
Can't really have a discussion. Everything turns into dueling monologues. Oh well.
I didn't bring up my aunt to tug on your heartstrings. I brought her up as an example of when it's time to let things drop.
>>>I don't like that she can take that ignorance into a booth designed for intelligent, informed people.
Voting booth wasn't designed for intelligent informed people. We live in a democracy, not a meritocracy.
We aren't going to agree. We see the world differently. I'm tired of this exchange. I suspect you're tired of me.

^
I'm not a big historian, but it seems to me that I remember that the Founding Fathers (yes, they were all men) had a heated debate when they were deciding who could vote.

Anyone? Or did you have to be educated? Own property?

Guess what they decided?

Yep. Democracy, not meritocracy. Representative democracy, to be accurate.

And you can have capitalism without a voting booth.

So you enjoy these "debates"? Huh. It doesn't seem like a debate to me. The topic keeps changing. Sparring, maybe. Sparring on quicksand.

It does have its delights.

...I don't think the men who decided black people were 3/5ths of a person allowed them to vote until, oh, maybe the middle of the 19th century? And even that was a sham until nearly one hundred years later. And women were arrested for voting until 1920. I don't see the democracy there.

Ok, we'll call it sparring on the Titanic. Now all I need is to find Kate Winslet and I'll be satisfied.

>> ^bareboards:
^
I'm not a big historian, but it seems to me that I remember that the Founding Fathers (yes, they were all men) had a heated debate when they were deciding who could vote.
Anyone? Or did you have to be educated? Own property?
Guess what they decided?
Yep. Democracy, not meritocracy. Representative democracy, to be accurate.
And you can have capitalism without a voting booth.
So you enjoy these "debates"? Huh. It doesn't seem like a debate to me. The topic keeps changing. Sparring, maybe. Sparring on quicksand.
It does have its delights.

OMFG I LOVE citizen journalism for its utter saturation. That was so freaking interesting seeing an interview with that particular confused ol'granny

[EDIT] I simply cannot abide by the commenters saying we should not be interested in this: She sent out 400 letters with disinformation! She is an enabler of a national deception! I dont think she should be personally punished by peeps pranking her or whatever. Shes obviously just clueless - but it is very important that people understand what goes on.

And her insight into McCain volunteers is equally as interesting.

Shes the horses mouth.

I'm glad the Obama campaign won't stoop to the level of spreading plain lies.

Otherwise everyone would have to start their own lie.
Something rednecks could believe like...
Sarah Palin was abducted and replaced with an Alien...
...and her parents are related
...and McCain is BFF with escaped Nazi war criminals

Wanna help start our own untrue rumors?

>> ^thepinky:
>> ^thinker247:
And what would happen if Keith Ellison, the Muslim Congressman from Minnesota, was to run for President? Has he tried to take over America with jihad?
Everybody uses the world Muslim like it's equivalent with terrorist. In that vein, I could call every Christian in this country Timothy McVeigh.
I can't get way from these moronic McCain supporters who think that Obama is a Muslim, as if that would be a bad thing.
Holy fuck.

Yeah, they're kind of like the HUGE group of people who chose Mitt Romney's Mormonism as a reason not to vote for him. The fact of the matter is that people are still very bigoted when it comes to religion in this country. Everyone, including Atheists, could use a good dose of tolerance and humility.
The largest Christian church in this area is almost openly hostile against members of my church. I sometimes wonder if they have ANY idea what Jesus Christ stood for.

maybe it's because Mitt Romney is a douche...maybe it's because mormon's take an already ridiculous religion and make it more ridiculous...

...and yes I'm aware that you are Mormon. You seem like a bright person, maybe you'll figure it out one day.

oh and Mitt Romney is not a douche I just have to include that word in every 3rd comment I post.

>> ^nathanofborg:
>> ^Memorare:
Welcome to Middle America, witness the reason people refer to it as fly-over country, where the ignorant and inbred use the local lie-berry to gather 'evidence' to bolster their ignorant worldviews.

You should realize that the kind of people that you think inhabit the Midwest are actually a minority out here.


Then please explain 8 years of Bush and the fact that McCain/Palin is supposedly viable as a ticket? The fact that the running is close leads me to believe that there are a lot MORE people like this out there and that it may hardly be a "minority."

Edit @ raverman: you forgot to mention that McCain is a convicted child molester. Chris Hansen made him have a seat and everything!

Oh no, you didn't. You just said, "Are we being a bit mentrual here?" That was a sexist and ignorant thing to say. Please refrain in the future.

I want to get into this just a little bit here. It amazes me that you are proud of yourself for mocking a co-worker for his stupidity. I'd venture to guess that you aren't a perfect person and that you wouldn't want to be treated like that every time you make a mistake.

The same goes for this lady. If she were 25 and as confused and ignorant as she is, I would say the same thing. Not everyone was blessed with the incredible intelligence that you possess, Thinker.

>> ^thinker247:
I never said she wasn't human. Just a stupid one. And I'm not punishing her. Just mentioning her flaws that should require her to stay away from a voting booth.
And I'm not hiding behind my avatar. I talk like this in real life every day, to peoples' faces. I once mocked a co-worker for his stupidity. Should I feel bad for telling someone to their face, something nobody else would?
"Cycle of violence?" Are we being a bit menstrual here?

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^thepinky:
>> ^thinker247:
And what would happen if Keith Ellison, the Muslim Congressman from Minnesota, was to run for President? Has he tried to take over America with jihad?
Everybody uses the world Muslim like it's equivalent with terrorist. In that vein, I could call every Christian in this country Timothy McVeigh.
I can't get way from these moronic McCain supporters who think that Obama is a Muslim, as if that would be a bad thing.
Holy fuck.

Yeah, they're kind of like the HUGE group of people who chose Mitt Romney's Mormonism as a reason not to vote for him. The fact of the matter is that people are still very bigoted when it comes to religion in this country. Everyone, including Atheists, could use a good dose of tolerance and humility.
The largest Christian church in this area is almost openly hostile against members of my church. I sometimes wonder if they have ANY idea what Jesus Christ stood for.

maybe it's because Mitt Romney is a douche...maybe it's because mormon's take an already ridiculous religion and make it more ridiculous...
...and yes I'm aware that you are Mormon. You seem like a bright person, maybe you'll figure it out one day.
oh and Mitt Romney is not a douche I just have to include that word in every 3rd comment I post.


I love it when I talk about bigots and then am provided with a perfect example of one.

The question is not whether or not the religion is ridiculous. People tend to forget that. Let's think about this. If Obama DID happen to be Muslim, would it be okay to use that as a reason not to vote for him? I'm simply pointing out that people used Romney's religion in the same way. If you think that this is okay for Romney but not for Obama because "Mormons take an already ridiculous religion and make it more ridiculous," then you're exemplifying the worst kind of double standard.

And, yes, I'm aware that you are an ignorant bigot. You seem like a bright person, maybe you'll figure it out one day.