Freedom of Assembly Takes it in the Wrong Hole

Kruposays...

USA! [thump] USA! [thump] USA! [thump] "This is not Iran!" ... wow. *quality.

Man, they should import some Koreans. THEY know how to assemble... (seriously, look up South Korean protests...)

rychansays...

>> ^NetRunner:
^ Actually, I thought the guy with the megaphone was fantastic.


Really? He seemed like a smarmy attention whore to me. His megaphone legal analysis is not very impressive. What does he think he's going to accomplish there? He's trying "teach" the cops or something? They shouldn't be your target audience if you have grievances with the G20 leaders.

This whole spectacle is stupid. It's 90% photographers and cops. It's theater and "meta protest".

The police vehicle was pretty interesting, though.

HollywoodBobsays...

Anyone ever notice that the vast majority of these videos are from truly liberal* protests, yet we never see even the slightest police presence when the gun-toting right wing protesters come out?

* that's liberal as in leftist, not the right of center "liberalism" of your typical Democrat that QuantuMushroom calls "ultra-liberal".

NetRunnersays...

^ I've noticed that too. Crackpots with AR-15's go to where the President is to threaten violence over universal healthcare, and cops don't do shit.

Anarchists show up to peacefully protest globalization, and jackbooted riot police come with sound cannons, nightsticks, tear gas and god knows what else.

EndAllsays...

Not all anarchists peacefully protest - the dumb, illegitimate anarchists (or agent provocateurs) tend to destroy local businesses (as if that does anything!) whereas those gun-toting guys just sort of wander around and talk about watering the tree of liberty. It's easier (and much more likely) for a group of anarchists' with rocks to throw them at cops than it is for some individual gun-toting Ron Paul loving dude to fire off a shot or two. Take into account the numbers of each group, and the willingness to engage in violent civil disobedience, and it makes sense (to me at least) that there would be much more cops at this event. And I may be uninformed, but did any of those gun-toting guys ever actually threaten violence? (besides "water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants.")

swedishfriendsays...

If protesters block the streets or if too many cars block the streets you have the same result: blocked streets. Why is one illegal and the other not? The streets are public. You might say pedestrians don't belong on the streets so should protesters be on bikes?
-Karl

entr0pysays...

>> ^Nithern:
Anyone know exactly what this demonstration was about or in regards to? Or what the police officers are doing in gear and marching to disperse a crowd?


Yeah, at first I found it odd that nowhere in the description here or on youtube is there any hint of what the protesters were on about. But after a little digging it seems that it was a protest of the G20 meeting. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/world/27protest.html?hpw

What makes it confusing is that a myriad of groups, each with their own very different causes are protesting at the same time. The guy on the loudspeaker is apparently 9/11 conspiracy theorist (from youtube description). There were also anti-war protesters, free Tibet protesters, Palestinian occupation protesters, anti-capitalism protesters, environmentalists, Falun Gong (an oppressed Chinese religious group) protesters, anarchists, and a steel workers union. . . protesting something, I'm guessing people not buying enough steel.

blankfistsays...

The rise of fascism is here, I do believe. The US has become a terrible Empire, which is ironic when considering the founding fathers led a revolution against the British Empire and worded our government documents carefully so we'd never end up as such.

It's disgusting to see jackbooted police in the streets of America. This is certainly the slow creep of fascism. And it's as if they don't even care that they're a blatant parody of Nazis at this point! It's ridiculous.

When George Lucas wrote Star Wars it was a comment against the Vietnam War. When creating the 'Empire' he wanted everything to be stark black and white and red, which was to symbolize Nazis. So, inside the various ships you'll note the colors are very stark, as are the uniforms. Looking at this video, however, is it not ironic, too, that they're wearing black and white uniforms?

dgandhisays...

>> ^EndAll:
Take into account the numbers of each group, and the willingness to engage in violent civil disobedience, and it makes sense (to me at least) that there would be much more cops at this event.


I think the police presence is a consequence of something more basic: The G20 was a protest, 9/12 was a photo-op.

The folk who showed up to the G20, even the died in the wool pacifists, went with intent to challenge the power of the state, to obstruct a meeting of high officials, the kind of thing the first amendment was written to protect.

The folk who showed up for 9/12, even the died in the wool gun toting "revolutionaries", went with the intent to pose for a photo op with FOX NEWS/GOP, not to exercise their first amendment right, not to challenge the state in any concrete way, which is why the government doesn't really care.

As for the damage, it would have been more localized if they had allowed them to get to the convention center, and it would have cost less then the million or so they spent to bring an extra 4000 officers into the city.

The FuckShitUp crowd usually focuses on destroying barricades, and other structured designed to deny the protesters their rights, and I support that kind of vandalism. The other kind would be easier to punish if the police didn't spend so much time making sure the protesters were spread out from here to sunday, just video the hell out of the convention center and strategically arrest vandals.

Psychologicsays...

>> ^HollywoodBob:
Anyone ever notice that the vast majority of these videos are from truly liberal protests, yet we never see even the slightest police presence when the gun-toting right wing protesters come out?



Oh, there is definitely a police presence at right-wing demonstrations... they just bring signs instead of uniforms.

gwiz665says...

If you were a police man, who would you rather beat up - a guy with an AR-15 and thirst for statist blood or some kid who likes yelling in a megaphone and maybe throwing a trashcan through a window? I would think that easier prey would be obvious.

"Take my gun from my cold, dead hands" vs. "Peace man, don't harsh my buzz"

>> ^NetRunner:
^ I've noticed that too. Crackpots with AR-15's go to where the President is to threaten violence over universal healthcare, and cops don't do shit.
Anarchists show up to peacefully protest globalization, and jackbooted riot police come with sound cannons, nightsticks, tear gas and god knows what else.

Kruposays...

>> ^swedishfriend:
If protesters block the streets or if too many cars block the streets you have the same result: blocked streets. Why is one illegal and the other not? The streets are public. You might say pedestrians don't belong on the streets so should protesters be on bikes?
-Karl


That's why the Critical Mass rides are so awesome. I can't believe I still haven't participated in one in all these years... I guess I need to invest in more fashioanble kevlar first.

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