Isaac Asimov: “Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.”

Can we assume this kid is expelled permanently? Not from this class, not from this school, but from all normal public school?

If not, and this is accepted behavior in school today, I change my mind on arming teachers and I give each one one free shot per year. That teacher's restraint was legendary.

If his parents haven't publicly apologized, they deserve public outing and humiliation. He learned that behavior, likely at home, and if they don't forcefully denounce it, they're encouraging it.

Hmm... so we're all just going to go along and believe the title are we?

Even in this edit we see the kid remarking that the teacher raised their fist to him and challenging him to "do it again". Not the best way to react, but pretty understandable if your fight or flight has been triggered.

The source video seems suspiciously free of context or additional detail. Reminds me of the many "instant karma" videos which conveniently miss the alleged event that deserves the violence that follows. But we all get our two minute hate and the warm glow of consequences well deserved.

Just to clear things up, when is violence deserved again?

Any time someone else touches you in anger or endangers you or those you are responsible for first.

Imo, when he pushed the teacher, he gave that teacher permission to take him out...and I'll go ahead and say this bullshit about responding with equal force is just that, bullshit. Once you start a fight by touching someone, you remove any right you had to complain that they're better at fighting and broke all your teeth out. Should've thought about that before putting your hands on someone else thinking you would come out victorious.

I agree when someone endangers you or others. But I look at it as a first aid response. Not a challenge. Remove the danger from the victim. If that's not possible, remove the victim from the danger.

The second part is kind of iffy. No matter how confident you may be, and go beyond defusing a scene then proceed to administer punishment, you may be the one that fails prematurely and could end up with you, being the only defense, useless. Sometimes unexpected things happen and to keep a situation ongoing needlessly would be irresponsible. Don't fool yourself thinking you will be victorious. There are many things to defend yourself against without creating more.

Don't be a victim of your hand. It's really embarrassing.

When you want to pummel someone remember, SAFETY FIRST. Safety glasses and a hard hat.

I don't know if you've seen the sort of thing I'm talking about, but the usual formula is you see a video with a title like "Bully picks on the wrong guy" or something, then you watch the video and what you see is someone getting their head kicked in, and you feel good. Then you have an entire comment section with "That's what you get for being a bully" etc. But nothing in the video actually shows him being a bully.

So if the title had been "Man is attacked completely unprovoked and suffers life changing injuries" the judgement would be very different. Maybe you just watched a crime and enjoyed it.

I find it really strange that people will argue back and forward about the details of the content of the video, but never question the framing. It's "a given" he was a bully etc. because some text at the top said so, we just discuss whether it was appropriate.

So in this video, maybe the situation was exactly as described, but I don't know what information I'd use to get to that conclusion. And nobody in the comment section really seems to be trying.

Why don't we see him asking for his grade to be marked up? Wouldn't that be the money shot here? Kid makes outrageous request, which for some reason I edited out, then behaved terribly... maybe they didn't get their phone out in time... who knows? Not me.

This is not one of those 'instant karma' videos I mean, I'm just drawing the parallel with the context free clip, followed by collective righteous feeling and judgement.

Please re-read your question...which was when is it DESERVED....not when is it a good idea to deal some violence out.

I don't understand your confusion.

I don't understand yours....it was your question.

You asked when violence is deserved, I answered.
You countered that resorting to violence might not work out as well as I think, I haven't considered multiple variables before jumping into violence, I'm possibly overconfident, not trying to defuse instead of exacerbate, being irresponsible, and making a fool of myself by jumping into a violent response, but that isn't what I said as that's not the question you asked.

You asked when violence is deserved, not when it's advised....you understand the difference, right? My answer was to that question, not to one that remains unasked.
Please re-read your question.

I'm getting a headache. lol Dumb it down for me.

Moving this video to ant's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.