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A couple of the cops there actually don't look super happy about what's going on. Makes me wonder about who gave the order...

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F*ck the police!

Happened to me too on March 20th, 2003. I posted a doc on here called "We Interrupt This Empire" and there's a scene in there that captured it. They blocked us in (I was just taking photos) and the cops started randomly hitting people, I looked the cop in front of me in the eyes and said "don't do it - I'm not doing anything" and then he hit me in the stomach with his baton and I flew into four other people who all fell to the ground. People don't forget shit like that. I was 20 and it was the beginning of my anger towards corporations, the pigs, the government & the fact that "we" are no longer in control of anything except the fight to take it back.

When your anarchy wins, who will run the show?

Officer Bologna was most likely recruited to be an agent provocateur by the NYPD brass.

>> ^lurgee:

F ck the police!


This is the point I'm always torn with. Everyone always says their are good cops...I'm sure there were cops there that didn't like this strategy thought it was wrong and unethical. And people say we shouldn't lump all cops together like they all believe in this stuff and suppress people in the way that they do.

Well why the fuck don't they stand up? Why are the cops that have a problem with the shit that's going on just standing there...not having a problem with it. This is why the idea of "Don't Snitch" and "Fuck the Police" gains ground. If you're not going to stand up for what's right in your OWN DEPARTMENT, you will get lumped in with everyone else.

We are the American People. We don't trust you, we don't believe in you, we won't cooperate with you. You are there to protect and serve, just what does that mean anymore?

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^lurgee:
F ck the police!

This is the point I'm always torn with. Everyone always says their are good cops...I'm sure there were cops there that didn't like this strategy thought it was wrong and unethical. And people say we shouldn't lump all cops together like they all believe in this stuff and suppress people in the way that they do.
Well why the fuck don't they stand up? Why are the cops that have a problem with the shit that's going on just standing there...not having a problem with it. This is why the idea of "Don't Snitch" and "Fuck the Police" gains ground. If you're not going to stand up for what's right in your OWN DEPARTMENT, you will get lumped in with everyone else.
We are the American People. We don't trust you, we don't believe in you, we won't cooperate with you. You are there to protect and serve, just what does that mean anymore?


https://occupywallst.org/article/Officer-Bologna/ (toward the end of the page):

This was an attempt to make us weak, this was an attempt to destroy or derail our message, our conversation. It has not succeeded. We have grown, we will grow. Today we received unconfirmed reports that over one hundred blue collar police refused to come into work in solidarity with our movement. These numbers will grow. We are the 99 percent. You will not silence us.

we ain't gonna see that smile under the fucking bandana.

Am I the only one here that thinks these people are useless? See a problem, sit around and do nothing. Ask for more stuff. Play the victim and "raise awareness." Right.

How about going out and starting a company and affecting change in a tangible way? How about creating jobs for your friends and giving back to society?

>> ^ridesallyridenc:

Am I the only one here that thinks these people are useless? See a problem, sit around and do nothing. Ask for more stuff. Play the victim and "raise awareness." Right.
How about going out and starting a company and affecting change in a tangible way? How about creating jobs for your friends and giving back to society?


I see your point. But protesting in this fashion is still important. While protesters rarely affect or change anything now days, it's not like they're sitting around doing nothing. You can see the fliers they were carrying to distribute in the video. Someone had to design and print them, and they're out distributing them. That's still kind of a job whether they're getting paid for it or not.

Not to mention, when people get attacked like this by the very police who are supposed to be protecting them, it helps highlight the problems. It's also an effective way of recruiting new members. Unfortunately, from the police perspective, it's also an effective way of recruiting a new psychopath who decides that he might really enjoy macing some women.

Yeah, true. We need all kinds, I guess.

>> ^ridesallyridenc:

Am I the only one here that thinks these people are useless? See a problem, sit around and do nothing. Ask for more stuff. Play the victim and "raise awareness." Right.
How about going out and starting a company and affecting change in a tangible way? How about creating jobs for your friends and giving back to society?


I'm sympathetic to your point, but there are real grievances to be voiced on that street. Ask for more stuff? You mean asking for fraud to prosecuted? Start a company? With what resources? With what credit extended by the financial sector? You can't pay people with good intentions sunshine. Honestly, what they are protesting are the financiers that lobby for their own privileged treatment justified by their role as "job creators." Well... what jobs? All I see is a bunch of gold bars in a private jet on its way to Switzerland.

To some extent I agree that protests are futile. Scares me to think of what's needed then. I'd prefer that the politicians wake up, and make it clear whose side they're on.

I dunno, man. You make a good point about asking for fraud to be prosecuted. But a lot of the things that contributed to this collapse weren't fraud. They were just clever (albeit arguably immoral) ways to exploit the system.

For example, Goldman was pushing mortgage-backed securities at the same time he was shorting them. So they were actively selling securities that they were also betting against, making money on both ends. That represents a conflict. However, the information was publicly available, so there could be an argument for investors to do their diligence.

The problem wasn't just caused by corporate greed. Everyone had a part in it. Consumers thought they could get rich on real estate, and started buying (and borrowing) more than they needed. People were betting in the derivatives markets at a record pace. Many private investors got greedy, and 70% of us leveraged our credit too heavily. Now that credit is tightening up, the economy is adjusting to the new reality that there's just not as much liquidity in the market.

I personally believe the only way to turn around this "new economy" is through innovation and entrepreneurship. Manufacturing is gone, we have to accept that. The service industry is hurting too, so we have to evolve.

As far as starting capital, I bootstrapped a business years ago with $2,000 and ramen noodles. It now employs 12 people. We pay better than market wages, provide excellent benefits, and generally treat each other like family. We found a niche and went for it.

Along my journey, I've met literally hundreds of young entrepreneurs that have similar success stories. It's not impossible, it just takes the willingness to work. You have to see problems as opportunities to make things better, and then take action. Sitting around talking about the problems doesn't do a whole lot of good. It's up to us to present solutions as well.

Just my $0.02.

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>> ^ridesallyridenc:

Am I the only one here that thinks these people are useless? See a problem, sit around and do nothing. Ask for more stuff. Play the victim and "raise awareness." Right.
How about going out and starting a company and affecting change in a tangible way? How about creating jobs for your friends and giving back to society?


Ever heard of Jim Crow laws? How about the Vietnam war? Were you alive in the 50's when at colleges it was pretty much 99% white and male students? Have you been to a college campus lately?

Yeah idiot protesting and social movements start somewhere and have a purpose. You're uneducated about this subject...go and educate yourself.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^ridesallyridenc:
Am I the only one here that thinks these people are useless? See a problem, sit around and do nothing. Ask for more stuff. Play the victim and "raise awareness." Right.
How about going out and starting a company and affecting change in a tangible way? How about creating jobs for your friends and giving back to society?

Ever heard of Jim Crow laws? How about the Vietnam war? Were you alive in the 50's when at colleges it was pretty much 99% white and male students? Have you been to a college campus lately?
Yeah idiot protesting and social movements start somewhere and have a purpose. You're uneducated about this subject...go and educate yourself.


You may be right. It may have to start in the streets before it can enact useful change down the road. I guess we all have our own parts to play, and that combination of everyone fighting for their own cause in their own way is what makes the world go 'round. I tend to be impatient and want to jump to solution, while others want to mobilize support for a cause. Not better or worse, just different.

Yes, I've spent plenty of time on campus as a student, as an employee, and as a teacher. There are some good eggs in there, but it always seemed to me that the majority of activists were highly-political, self-important children who liked the attention of being associated with a cause more than the cause itself.

One of my favorite experiences of late was meeting a woman who had just graduated from college. She wanted to start a clothing company that made college apparel. She was also distressed by the trend of off-shoring textile manufacturing into countries who had no regulation and did not pay their employees a living wage.

Rather than picketing, she went to Sri Lanka on her own dime and met local business people. She convinced one to open a textile factory that paid their employees a living wage of three times the national average, and she promised a certain volume of business to that manufacturer. They did, and she ran her clothing company in a responsible way. Once her margins were in order, she brought manufacturing back to North Carolina (her home state, a state that has been plagued economically by the loss of textiles).

She has taken more than 20% market share from the big 2 college clothing providers and continues to grow. Moreover, she has proved that clothing isn't always bought based on price alone, and that a socially-conscious business can afford to charge a premium to people who believe in its cause.

In my opinion, if you want to set an example, do it with success. Do it by proving that what you believe in is possible. Present solutions, and let people use you as a model.

>> ^ridesallyridenc:

Am I the only one here that thinks these people are useless? See a problem, sit around and do nothing. Ask for more stuff. Play the victim and "raise awareness." Right.
How about going out and starting a company and affecting change in a tangible way? How about creating jobs for your friends and giving back to society?


How will starting a company and creating, let's be generous here, ~20 jobs affect the situation?

The problem is that the big banks have been allowed do whatever the fuck they want (with the collusion of the government). Creating a company won't change that.

>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^ridesallyridenc:
Am I the only one here that thinks these people are useless? See a problem, sit around and do nothing. Ask for more stuff. Play the victim and "raise awareness." Right.
How about going out and starting a company and affecting change in a tangible way? How about creating jobs for your friends and giving back to society?

How will starting a company and creating, let's be generous here, ~20 jobs affect the situation?
The problem is that the big banks have been allowed do whatever the fuck they want (with the collusion of the government). Creating a company won't change that.


Small businesses are job creators. Office of Advocacy funded data and research shows that small businesses represent 99.7 percent of all firms, they create more than half of the private non-farm gross domestic product, and they create 60 to 80 percent of the net new jobs.

People don't want to do business with these large companies anymore. There is demand for small, responsible companies to fill the gap. Picketing them does nothing. Government regulation does little long-term. Stealing money out of their pockets by providing competition drives them to compete on your terms and operate in a more ethical manner.