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The point 4 minutes in is SO TRUE. My friend wanted the videographers out of his face and his staff's face when they came by his workplace. Good sift.

It's a well known fact, though, that the police function to 'protect' the wealthy from the poor.

Good guys wear black.

I can't make it past the three minute mark. If what you are doing/saying is so right and legal, why hide your face?

If you watch another minute and a half, they give a reason.

I watched another minute and a half, and I think I saw what you're talking about. Still, not a real reason. If you're afraid they will twist what you say, then record everything so you can disprove it.

It's as simple as this: No one trusts someone that won't even show their face. Peaceful? No. Violent? No. However, if I saw a group of masked people walking down the street, I would immediately think they were up to no good.

Look, I'm ENTIRELY for bashing the media, they are horrendously skewed in their presentation of things, they have their own agendas to push etc. etc. I also completely agree that the violence of the police is overlooked.


But maybe, just maybe, this is not the best way to get your message across? I just couldn't watch the whole thing it was the same things being said the same way with no thought as to how things might actually play out.

If you're TRYING to get your message to the LARGEST number of people, PERHAPS it would be a little smarter to NOT do things that put the VAST majority of people off what you're saying straight away:

* The whole wearing black and the bandannas over the face thing: Sure you say it's because you don't want your identity to be used against you etc. but to the majority of the populous you've given yourself an enormous handicap right off the bat. People don't want to listen to a masked individual. If the old ladies could be there unmasked, surely you can?

* Swearing and screaming: Again, just makes you sound angry and bitter, not rational and sensible.

* Not talking to the media: Of course the media is brilliant at chopping and changing what you say, but maybe, what with all your own gazillion cameras, you could film the interview yourself, and if the media tries to distort what you say you can put on youtube what you really said. (much like the WWE vs CNN video I posted here on the sift) Ranting and raving, and then not actually telling anyone what you're ranting and raving about is just plain stupid.

Sorry, but you're not going to change ANYTHING by acting in this way, and in fact you're more than likely going to turn people away from your cause.

As such I can't rightly upvote this video, it's not helping anyone.

It's time for Citizen Reporters! To the rescue!

It's idiots vs. idiots. The idiots are guaranteed to win.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

I tend to agree- the corporate media are an arm of the police-state. It's easier to see when you don't have a TV and are outside the US. Big TV are fooling most of the people, most of the time.

The people with the masks are the ones that haven't swallowed the pill that cable TV offers.

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...Err... Bandanna. Heh, that would have been ridiculous. Banana masks.

MG,

I think you've hit upon one of the main points. About 00.1% of the protesters are wearing masks. About 99.9% of the media coverage was about the 00.1% protesters wearing masks. A classic propaganda technique.

spoco,

You are also playing into corporate propaganda.

The general public is never going to have the level of media polish you require to 'get their message out', and holding to them to that standard is just another excuse for more obfuscation.

Our government is supposed to have been created of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE, and for the PEOPLE. Well..... here are they are....the PEOPLE. Yes, they can be raw, unpredictable, foul-mouthed, angry, and not particularly skilled in rhetoric, but they are still the PEOPLE.

You are one of the PEOPLE too, and this propaganda has succeeded in selling you its premise, in effect turning you against your own.

We are all a product of our times and our (corporate) media - including Chomsky and other brilliant minds of our time. We are all susceptible to its lies, and the moment any of us believes ourselves free from these chains is the moment we divorce ourselves from reality.

Fuck commercial media.

Idiots all around. You're either a marketing victim who falls into line and takes orders, ready to be a good little fascist given the right cues, or you're a cog in some horrible machine of oppression, or you're ground beneath it's wheels. Fuck it, count me out.

/\ At least you feel compelled to justify your inaction. It's a start.

Well to be honest, those "protesters" are actually provoking people/police. I know its not the way to counter words with violence, but if people rightout shit on things you love and just spew out ignorance in your direction when you try to argue with em, I think its perfectly understandable that some tick out and just beat their ignorance out of them. People should understand that they are facing other people. Police are people too, and if they get insulted all day long, they will react to that, as would every human.
I am pretty sure these "protesters" are actually calculating with that. They want the police to tick out, and they are doing everything they can to reach that point, to "prove" their point. And once its done, its the big bad police...
Typical...

The video mentions the spin the media is putting on this, but how is this video not spin? Sure the commercial media sucks, they're puppets with strings connected to all sorts of influences, but they're people too. Did you know that some humans actually make mistakes?! We shouldn't stand for that.

What it really comes down to is that extremes create extremes. If you make a nuclear weapon, an extreme weapon, your rivals will want to as well. If you shout at the media and the world screaming that we better accept your lifestyle, there will be cause, for those that don't want to accept it, to shout back at you. Some may even escalate it further to pushing. That pushing may becoming punching. Violence begets violence, anger begets anger. I understand the need to educate, to spread the word of reality, but all you're doing is pissing certain people off, even people like me who accept ALL life as it is.

Peaceful education is the answer, through demonstration, free media, freedom of speech, however you choose. And don't just teach people the truths, TEACH THEM TO REASON! That's the key that unlocks all knowledge and truth.

"I think its perfectly understandable that some tick out and just beat their ignorance out of them."

It's scary to see how you seem to welcome the police state with open arms. Where is your humanity?

wax66,

...and your comment is spin, and my comment is spin, etc. ad infinitum. The difference is that neither you nor I own a TV station. Perhaps media spin wouldn't be such a big deal if citizens had equal time.

Freedom of the press is great if you own a press.

Whenever I want to fuck the corporate media, I think of engorged monkey butts.

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somegeek

dystopianfuturetoday: In no way have I succumbed to the propaganda, but what I see, and you obviously fail to, is just being SUPER angry, SWEARING, covering your faces, and ranting and raving just doesn't get the message across. It turns people OFF your message.

Being rational and thought provoking, creative even, and getting across the message that you are being sold a lie is a much easier task.

You have succumbed to the same mentality that those that have made this video have, and that is 'man I'm angry at what's happening, and I'm going to show how angry I am by getting really worked up over it'. But have you thought AT ALL how that is going to sway ANYONE that isn't already on your side of the fence?

It's just NOT the way to bring people around, it just isn't. Shouting 'Fuck the commercial/corporate media' at all and sundry will just make the masses turn their backs to you. Think up funny, creative and insightful ways to get the message out, not violent, hateful and scary ways.

spoco,

99.9% of the protesters are peaceful, 00.1% are scary. The media does nothing but talk about the scary 00.1%. Spoco regurgitates the company line about the scary 00.1%, thus perpetuating the lie.

In what way have you not succumbed?

Sorry, I know these may seem like harsh and even arrogant words, and I really don't mean to offend you, but this is very important for the country and you personally.

I used to think like you do, and I know that it was very difficult to admit I was wrong back then. Let's continue this discussion - I'm not trying to beat you down, just trying to open your eyes.