fuck the police

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Meh, the courts will sort this one out. The cop was right, though, that even though the First Amendment does offer protection, it does not offer complete and total protection. You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater, etc. The tag of Police Abuse is hyperbole.

Anyone have an idea what story they were trying to cover?

>> ^DrewNumberTwo:

Meh, the courts will sort this one out. The cop was right, though, that even though the First Amendment does offer protection, it does not offer complete and total protection. You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater, etc. The tag of Police Abuse is hyperbole.


Hyperbole is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.


-- I meant Police Abuse tag in a purely literal sense. If you don't think clear violations of the 14th and 8th amendments warrant the Police Abuse tag then I don't think I could ever convince you how grievous of a violation you just witnessed.

These guys were lucky that they were backed up by their news organizations and that others were filming the event.

Hyperbole is "obvious and intentional exaggeration" and is exactly the word that I meant to use. I take it that your reference to the 14th amendment refers to section 1, specifically "No State shall... enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..." Are you suggesting that due process was not followed? The officer gave what he believed was a lawful order. The order wasn't followed, so he made an arrest. It's possible that the officer is incorrect, but as long as he gets a fair trail then due process has been followed. As for the 8th Amendment... cruel and unusual punishment? Hyperbole indeed.

I'd like to read more about that. What has their news organization done to back them up?

>> ^Raveni:

I'd like to read more about that. What has their news organization done to back them up?


At least one of them (possible both) were supposedly NBC affiliated journalist/cameramen. Msnbc has had this video on the front page for most of the day - though the one there now is a much shorter and heavily edited version than the one originally linked here. I wish they would have kept the longer one up.

>> ^notarobot:

Anyone have an idea what story they were trying to cover?


"Two NBC journalists were handcuffed and threatened by Chicago police after attempting to report on the murder of a 6-year-old girl yesterday, NBC Chicago reports.

Another NBC journalist was also detained by police outside Mt. Sinai Hospital, where the girl had been taken following a fatal shooting during city wide violence over the weekend.

Police were called to the hospital shortly after reporters arrived on the scene. The journalists said they had already moved away from a public sidewalk and across the street at the request of the police."

http://www.infowars.com/cop-arrests-nbc-reporters-says-your-first-amendment-right-can-be-terminated/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/18/aliyah-shell-6-year-old-a_n_1357069.html

Who watches the watchmen?

How can it be that media turn up to cover a tabloid story at a hospital and everyone is confused like it never happens? Is this the last hospital in the world to have to figure this one out?

So if the Police in this situtation weren't doing anything wrong why were the men that were detained released as soon and Ranking Officers showed up? The officer who detained these men clearly overstepped his bounds.>> ^DrewNumberTwo:

Hyperbole is "obvious and intentional exaggeration" and is exactly the word that I meant to use. I take it that your reference to the 14th amendment refers to section 1, specifically "No State shall... enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..." Are you suggesting that due process was not followed? The officer gave what he believed was a lawful order. The order wasn't followed, so he made an arrest. It's possible that the officer is incorrect, but as long as he gets a fair trail then due process has been followed. As for the 8th Amendment... cruel and unusual punishment? Hyperbole indeed.

Furthermore these men were AP accredited news men sent there to do their job and were in no way endangering the public by doing so. Therefore your quote by Mark Twain does not apply in this situation. The tag should more accurately read "Police Abuse of Power".
>> ^DrewNumberTwo:

Meh, the courts will sort this one out. The cop was right, though, that even though the First Amendment does offer protection, it does not offer complete and total protection. You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater, etc. The tag of Police Abuse is hyperbole.

How exactly is this video 'worldaffairs'?

>> ^Fantomas:

How exactly is this video 'worldaffairs'?


Oops. It's not. I shouldn't have tagged it as such - changed to news which is what I was going for.

I didn't say that he didn't do anything wrong. But just because he arrested someone who was later released or found innocent doesn't mean that he's abusing his power or the person that he arrested. I also did not claim that the men were endangering the public, I just noted that their freedom of speech was not without limit. And that's not a Twain quote.
>> ^Auger8:

So if the Police in this situtation weren't doing anything wrong why were the men that were detained released as soon and Ranking Officers showed up? The officer who detained these men clearly overstepped his bounds.

Your right it's not Twain it's Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr, but the saying is used to describe freedom of speech being used in a way that is dangerous. These men clearly were not doing anything dangerous. Thus there was no reason for the cop to arrest them. And since the Lt.'s override his decision and released the men, which can be seen at the end of the video, then clearly the officer was in the wrong. And I guess it's not that you "didn't" say there were doing something wrong merely that you defended the cops decision to arrest these men for doing their job. This isn't even about freedom of speech anyway it's about the fact that you Legally Film ANY Public Official on ANY Public Property something a lot of cops have started to take offense to for some reason. And unless men like this stand up to them it will continue.

I never defended his actions, just his statement.

Buy up the guns while you can folks. You're gonna need em.