I needed that laugh. *promote

Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Wednesday, March 9th, 2011 10:42am PST - promote requested by longde.

Gee I hope that perp is not wanted for raping your mom.

You know, we're trying to have a society here.

Finally, I made an argument about this sort of situation with a friend a year or so ago.


I figured this sort of thing happened.

Cops actually do have to go through fitness tests, but if I remember right, it's only beat cops (not desk jockies) and it varies.

The test gets easier to do the older you get (Not to the point of ridiculousness, but you're not expected to do the same as a 20 year old when you're 35) but if you don't pass it, you're put on leave.

This does happen, although not quite as often as you'd think. This is also, for the record, by tazers are used. This guy is obviously out of range, but if it's someone you aren't able to catch then a taze is a non-lethal way to stop them.

Wow… What a great society you're running over there.

>> ^longde:
I needed that laugh. promote


What I find ironic and sad is that these types of cops are being replaced by a far greater threat. Fat cops make their elected officials look silly, and so must be replaced. Unfortunately, they are being replaced by bulked up Soliders and Marines who have issues and have just returned from war--and they are strong...

But I guess we'll need this laugh now, because we will miss it when people are being beaten to death... And if you say, "It already happens," then you are right--it happens very rarily. I am talking about putting more loose cannons out there...

And hey, this cop is just like 50% of other Americans, that's whats tragic...

@ Sheppard; In my area, Sheppard, even age doesn't save you from the city's requirements. You pass, or you fail. In fact, the test is meant to get rid of higher paid, senior people--just like doing away with tenure is meant to get rid of higher paid teachers.

I bet if you pulled over the filming car, at least one Pooky or Peanut would have a warrant.

@Lawdeedaw

It may vary from region to region, but I'm not talking anything drastic.

I believe the one explained to me was like one of those old tests we've all taken in gym.

Stand on one side, run over, touch the line, run back, run to touch the next line, run back, etc.

and the difference is it has to be done in like 2 minutes for a 20 year old, and 2:15-2:30 for someone 35+. It's not a huge difference.

Geez, racist much?

>> ^quantumushroom:

I bet if you pulled over the filming car, at least one Pooky or Peanut would have a warrant.

Haha, damn right deadly police beatings and force already happen, and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely. Indeed, this has been happening for decades, so excuse me if I don't shed any crocodile tears for the newfound anxieties of those who never stepped up to stop these problems when they were only on the other side of the tracks.

And this donut huffer is still damn funny.....

>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^longde:
I needed that laugh. promote

What I find ironic and sad is that these types of cops are being replaced by a far greater threat. Fat cops make their elected officials look silly, and so must be replaced. Unfortunately, they are being replaced by bulked up Soliders and Marines who have issues and have just returned from war--and they are strong...
But I guess we'll need this laugh now, because we will miss it when people are being beaten to death... And if you say, "It already happens," then you are right--it happens very rarily. I am talking about putting more loose cannons out there...
And hey, this cop is just like 50% of other Americans, that's whats tragic...
@ Sheppard; In my area, Sheppard, even age doesn't save you from the city's requirements. You pass, or you fail. In fact, the test is meant to get rid of higher paid, senior people--just like doing away with tenure is meant to get rid of higher paid teachers.

>> ^Trancecoach:

Geez, racist much?
>> ^quantumushroom:
I bet if you pulled over the filming car, at least one Pooky or Peanut would have a warrant.



Yes.

Shoot him in the back! Quick, while no one is looking!

Even though the cop has little chance of catching the guy, he didn't stop chasing him.

So what exactly is 'racist'? Pooky and Peanut are terms of endearment.

Statistically speaking--feel free to drop by the Department of Justice website--the odds of the melanin-enhanced personnel in the filming car having arrest warrants is higher than if said occupants were Asian-American or Caucasian-American (BTW the 'perp' in the vid is White, isn't he)?

I tried this once. Didn't work out as planned.

Okay, since you want to take what I said and "poof" make a statement completely contrary---prove where you note that "deadly police beatings and force already happen, and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely."

Proving it happens "quite often" should be easy--just post a list or a website that has at least 200 beatings and shootings within the last year, that was not self-defense, and your word will be true. 200 (Only 16.6 per month, not even 1 per day!) should not be hard, since law enforcement, depending what community you reside in, can make contact with the public thousands of times a month.

If you cannot find 200 in your community, find a bigger community and do some detective work. Remember though, the cases need to be verified, and at least not obvious cases of self-defense.

Otherwise, I will just assume that you hate cops for some silly reason...

Just remember, "quiet often" is a lofty statement. It is far harder to prove than what I said, "Rarely." An American dies quite often from a heart attack. I drive my car quite often. Car salesmen lie quite often...

Since it was you who made the statement, it is reasonable to back it up with facts.

>> ^longde:

Haha, damn right deadly police beatings and force already happen, and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely. Indeed, this has been happening for decades, so excuse me if I don't shed any crocodile tears for the newfound anxieties of those who never stepped up to stop these problems when they were only on the other side of the tracks.
And this donut huffer is still damn funny.....
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^longde:
I needed that laugh. promote

What I find ironic and sad is that these types of cops are being replaced by a far greater threat. Fat cops make their elected officials look silly, and so must be replaced. Unfortunately, they are being replaced by bulked up Soliders and Marines who have issues and have just returned from war--and they are strong...
But I guess we'll need this laugh now, because we will miss it when people are being beaten to death... And if you say, "It already happens," then you are right--it happens very rarily. I am talking about putting more loose cannons out there...
And hey, this cop is just like 50% of other Americans, that's whats tragic...
@ Sheppard; In my area, Sheppard, even age doesn't save you from the city's requirements. You pass, or you fail. In fact, the test is meant to get rid of higher paid, senior people--just like doing away with tenure is meant to get rid of higher paid teachers.

>> ^Shepppard:

@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/Lawdeedaw" title="member since May 3rd, 2010" class="profilelink">Lawdeedaw
It may vary from region to region, but I'm not talking anything drastic.
I believe the one explained to me was like one of those old tests we've all taken in gym.
Stand on one side, run over, touch the line, run back, run to touch the next line, run back, etc.
and the difference is it has to be done in like 2 minutes for a 20 year old, and 2:15-2:30 for someone 35+. It's not a huge difference.


Sheppard, with the budget crisis it is getting far worse. For example--the unions are under assault, and yet the Republicans need even more money to give out to their special interests (I mean, lower taxes.)

So where are they going to find it? Easy. Just kick out the highest paid, and as an added bonus, claim it is all in the public's best interest...

Requirements recently implemented nearby--A basic boot-camp-style 2 week period before joining. Second, run between cones, jump a window, scale a wall (I don't know how tall but I guess 4-5 feet, since it has to be "fair" to small built women,) grab a 180 pound dummy and drag it, grab some more shit, keep running, then get to the end and state a number of colors (Not sure how many there...) The time limit they say is 5 minutes or so.

Expect to see that cost-saving measure spread.

To the contrary, instead of patronizing me with a homework assignment, how about providing proof of your original assertion about the rarity of such violence. In fact, your original response to me has many unproven statements.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:
Okay, since you want to take what I said and "poof" make a statement completely contrary---prove where you note that "deadly police beatings and force already happen, and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely."
Proving it happens "quite often" should be easy--just post a list or a website that has at least 200 beatings and shootings within the last year, that was not self-defense, and your word will be true. 200 (Only 16.6 per month, not even 1 per day!) should not be hard, since law enforcement, depending what community you reside in, can make contact with the public thousands of times a month.
If you cannot find 200 in your community, find a bigger community and do some detective work. Remember though, the cases need to be verified, and at least not obvious cases of self-defense.
Otherwise, I will just assume that you hate cops for some silly reason...
Just remember, "quiet often" is a lofty statement. It is far harder to prove than what I said, "Rarely." An American dies quite often from a heart attack. I drive my car quite often. Car salesmen lie quite often...
Since it was you who made the statement, it is reasonable to back it up with facts.
>> ^longde:
Haha, damn right deadly police beatings and force already happen, and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely. Indeed, this has been happening for decades, so excuse me if I don't shed any crocodile tears for the newfound anxieties of those who never stepped up to stop these problems when they were only on the other side of the tracks.
And this donut huffer is still damn funny.....
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^longde:
I needed that laugh. promote

What I find ironic and sad is that these types of cops are being replaced by a far greater threat. Fat cops make their elected officials look silly, and so must be replaced. Unfortunately, they are being replaced by bulked up Soliders and Marines who have issues and have just returned from war--and they are strong...
But I guess we'll need this laugh now, because we will miss it when people are being beaten to death... And if you say, "It already happens," then you are right--it happens very rarily. I am talking about putting more loose cannons out there...
And hey, this cop is just like 50% of other Americans, that's whats tragic...
@ Sheppard; In my area, Sheppard, even age doesn't save you from the city's requirements. You pass, or you fail. In fact, the test is meant to get rid of higher paid, senior people--just like doing away with tenure is meant to get rid of higher paid teachers.

All I know is that the morons in the car filming are degenerate scum. Cop could very well be chasing after a rapist, and they're yuking it up. Don't bother helping, asswipe.

Yeah, that skinny perp looks like a regular Jeffrey Dahmer. I'm sure he has raped 30 grandmothers this week. I'm sure glad Officer Donut -our best and brightest- is on the case. Peace of mind, peace of mind.

Also, you really think those characters in the car have an obligation to help? GTFOOH. Yeah, the involvement of those obviously well trained lads would surely make the situation 10 times better. The Hardy Boys are slipping, they should be making a citizen's arrest.

Scum of the earth, those lads, refusing to offer their crime-busting skills to that afflicted beat cop. Don't they know we've got a society to run, here?

^Any particular reason you're defending the guy being chased by the cop?

And yes, for the record, I do believe that all capable persons have a moral obligation to help when possible.

>> ^MarineGunrock:
And yes, for the record, I do believe that all capable persons have a moral obligation to help when possible.


My friend, I'm not defending the guy. I'm just pointing out that he doesn't look like the threat to national security some of you are making him out to be.

"Capable" is the questionable word here. Aside from that, with the possible lawsuits and prosecutions that could arise, anyone would be crazy to involve themselves in any situation like this. Even when life and limb is at stake, good samaritans in the states get the shaft often.

>> ^MarineGunrock:

All I know is that the morons in the car filming are degenerate scum. Cop could very well be chasing after a rapist, and they're yuking it up. Don't bother helping, asswipe.


Speculative. What if the guy was running because he was busted using a victimless drug?

MG - Since we don't know any of the where and why, why worry about it? I'm not voting this up because I like the idea of dangerous criminals evading law enforcement, I'm voting it up because I like the fantasy of outrunning and outsmarting an authority figure. If it helps, just imagine the cop is a TSA agent and the perp is an elderly woman.

^huh?

>> ^MarineGunrock:

All I know is that the morons in the car filming are degenerate scum. Cop could very well be chasing after a rapist, and they're yuking it up. Don't bother helping, asswipe.


Whatever dude this is about fat people...they should be laughed at until they start running some miles. Yeah I said it...I want you fat fucks to live healthy as long as possible...quit eating that crap and go for a goddamn run.

>> ^MarineGunrock:

And yes, for the record, I do believe that all capable persons have a moral obligation to help when possible.


So maybe I catch him, then he stabs me in the throat and runs again... the cop still can't catch him.

Generally I try to stay out of situations that force me to make assumptions about the people involved.

You are so full of shit on this one @MarineGunrock

No offense intended but you are making statements based on a situation you know nothing about to seemingly expel how you feel about a certain situation(s).

You might think you're king shit with his chest out waiting for that moment to run a perp down, but a lot of us do not share that mindset and instead we take out our cameras and laugh.

and what about the legal ramifications.... nooo sir

Getting involved in something like that is not something that should be done lightly. Sitting on the sidelines, letting the police do their job is often the "safe" way to go for a civilian.
>> ^MarineGunrock:

And yes, for the record, I do believe that all capable persons have a moral obligation to help when possible.

Wow - I'm glad none of you are my neighbors. Apparently if you were and my house was on fire, I'd be fucked. Y'all would be too busy filming the spectacle or toasting marshmellows to even toss a bucket of water on me.

Maybe it's just the way I was raised - but I try to help in whatever way I can.

Mr. Gunrock, you are being quite unreasonable. I think everyone that has opined on this issue would help you out in the life and death situation of your house being on fire.

But the video in question is alot more morally/ethically ambiguous than dousing the fire on a neighbor's house.

For one, we don't know the details. Secondly, even if we did, how many people have the training to properly intervene in this scenario?

It's not as simple as tackling the suspect and collecting the key to the city. There are substantial legal and liability questions to consider. I have a responsibility to my family that overwhelmingly outweighs risking our finances and my life in a situation that I know nothing about. (I guess I am too jaded to automatically assume that every cop is a 'good' guy, and everyone who runs from them are 'bad')

I laughed! Thanks therealblankman!

>> ^MarineGunrock:

Wow - I'm glad none of you are my neighbors. Apparently if you were and my house was on fire, I'd be fucked. Y'all would be too busy filming the spectacle or toasting marshmellows to even toss a bucket of water on me.
Maybe it's just the way I was raised - but I try to help in whatever way I can.


You totally want me as your neighbor. I have some great weed.

That was meant for mg, not you. >> ^blankfist:

^huh?

>> ^MarineGunrock:

Wow - I'm glad none of you are my neighbors. Apparently if you were and my house was on fire, I'd be fucked. Y'all would be too busy filming the spectacle or toasting marshmellows to even toss a bucket of water on me.
Maybe it's just the way I was raised - but I try to help in whatever way I can.


Only if you were too fucking fat to get out! BAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!

I can imagine blankfist as a drug dealer.

Yeah, man, I've got some dank nugs for you this week.
Awesome, I can't wait.
It's just in the other room. Here, let me put on some libertarian videos for you to watch while I get it.
Ummm.... OK... sure, put it on.
This is Stefan Molyneux, my favorite.
So, the weed is in the other room you said?
Shhh, listen to this part... 'taxes are theft'.. that's my favorite part.
Yeah, I need to get going, I'm supposed to meet a friend for dinner.
What are you trying to say? Am I not your friend? Am I just your dealer?
No, man, no... of course you are my friend.
So, what's the problem? Let's get baked and listen to some Ron Paul speeches. It'll be epic.
Um.. OK, but I've got to get going in like 15 minutes. I'm parked at a meter.
What do you need? Quarters?

>> ^blankfist:

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Wow - I'm glad none of you are my neighbors. Apparently if you were and my house was on fire, I'd be fucked. Y'all would be too busy filming the spectacle or toasting marshmellows to even toss a bucket of water on me.
Maybe it's just the way I was raised - but I try to help in whatever way I can.

You totally want me as your neighbor. I have some great weed.

Stefan Molyneux is my favorite? I think your interpretation of me is about as accurate as The Social Network was about the events surrounding the creation of facebook.

It's not like you'd have to wait thirty minutes for the cops to get there. Were you to tackle him, the cop would be there in a matter of seconds. Also, I never said you have to yell out "MY NAME IS JOHN PETERSON AND I LIVE AT 342 MAPLE LANE!!!"

>> ^longde:

Mr. Gunrock, you are being quite unreasonable. I think everyone that has opined on this issue would help you out in the life and death situation of your house being on fire.
But the video in question is alot more morally/ethically ambiguous than dousing the fire on a neighbor's house.
For one, we don't know the details. Secondly, even if we did, how many people have the training to properly intervene in this scenario?
It's not as simple as tackling the suspect and collecting the key to the city. There are substantial legal and liability questions to consider. I have a responsibility to my family that overwhelmingly outweighs risking our finances and my life in a situation that I know nothing about. (I guess I am too jaded to automatically assume that every cop is a 'good' guy, and everyone who runs from them are 'bad')

This whole discussion reminds me of a scene in the Naked Gun which I'm unfortunately unable to find currently.


Mayor: Drebin, I don't want any more trouble like you had last year on the southside. Understand? That's my policy.
Frank: Yes. Well, when I see 5 weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That's my policy.
Mayor: That was a Shakespeare in the Park production of Julius Caesar, you moron! You killed 5 actors!

I don't have a problem with our cops, I have a problem with our laws.

I never patronized you, longde. I don't know why you're so defensive Second, I thought that when you said, "and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely," that you knew what you were talking about. Obviously, since you would "have to do homework" on the issue--instead of being able to state the cases you know--you don't know what you talking about.

Here, let me show you I know what I am talking about. Let's say that "quite often" in a large community (A large city) is once per day or a little less. Now, the site I use is definitely biased against cops with the language they use... However, that goes in my favor--since even biased sites seemingly cannot show systemic police brutality.

http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=2218

The calculations here are only 3 months of reported cases, so we should multiply it by at least 4 to make it as close to year's worth as possible.

***Note, for simplicity, I use the information under the header "Law Enforcement Agencies Employing 1000+ Officers".

***Note, let's also say that the reported cases are not inclusive of all cases--so let's add 50% more (In your favor.)

Last note, only about 30% of these cases are "force related," I.e taser, brutality, animal cruelty, etc.

So, the highest noted city, Atlanta Georgia, has 38 cases for three months. Multiply by 4, 152... let's add that .5 for non-reported, and that's 228... But wait, let's subtract a few that are perhaps bullshit. (I remember around my area a guy was abused in a wheelchair. The offending officer got a felony, lost his pension, and other charges that he deserved. Right after that though, a guy literally threw himself from a wheelchair without being touched, and another reached up and tried to pull another officer on top of him, all so they could get that big payout of a lawsuit...ass-hats should look for cameras.) So let's take out 20%, even though it's probably higher because you can sue the state easier than Wal-Mart... So about 182 at most...

Since only about 30% of those cases are abuse-related, that means police beat citizens in Atlanta Ga about 54 times in a year!!!! OMG!!! That's so rampant!

Now, my math sucks, so I could be off a lot, or a little, who knows. But the point is, people tend to exaggerate shit when they have emotions predisposed against a group. I know bad police exist, and that they should be punished, I know this because I am not blinded by either admiration or hate.



>> ^longde:

To the contrary, instead of patronizing me with a homework assignment, how about providing proof of your original assertion about the rarity of such violence. In fact, your original response to me has many unproven statements.
>> ^Lawdeedaw:

>> ^longde:

Yeah, that skinny perp looks like a regular Jeffrey Dahmer. I'm sure he has raped 30 grandmothers this week. I'm sure glad Officer Donut -our best and brightest- is on the case. Peace of mind, peace of mind.
Also, you really think those characters in the car have an obligation to help? GTFOOH. Yeah, the involvement of those obviously well trained lads would surely make the situation 10 times better. The Hardy Boys are slipping, they should be making a citizen's arrest.
Scum of the earth, those lads, refusing to offer their crime-busting skills to that afflicted beat cop. Don't they know we've got a society to run, here?


Or he raped a child...but who cares about them huh? (That's patronizing...) John Couey any one?

But I agree with Blank, his guess is just that, a guess.

>> ^MarineGunrock:

And yes, for the record, I do believe that all capable persons have a moral obligation to help when possible.


Hey Marinegunrock, you have a right to downvote my comment, and I have no problem with that. Still, I would like to explain a bit about my comments---because I think you might have the wrong impression (I tend to fuck up on expressing my thoughts.)

Soldiers and Marines returning from overseas have two types of medals. Those they wear on their chests, and those they wear in their minds. They live life on the edge in a warzone. I don't remember a day my unit wasn't mortared over in Iraq--but I served nevertheless. That does not mean I, or other servicemen, adjusted well upon return... And they certainly were not ready for a career in law enforcement!!!

However, instead of wearing this mental medal proudly, instead of saying, "I am a motherfucking Marine or Soldier, I have issues," people are saying, "Hey, I went through hell and came back flawless. Love me please."

Just because we are heroes doesn't mean we are right in the brain my friend. You have to be wrong in the head, or you don't survive--or you get others killed...

Now that I go back and read your comment again, I see I mis-read it and shouldn't have downvoted. My bad.

I too have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and my tour in Iraq was no picnic. For several years, I wanted to be a cop, and I would still like to, but I have come to realize though introspection and professional help that constant mortaring has re-wired my brain to the point where I should not be a police officer. It has left me with an extremely short temper, and that would most definitely lead to no good. I can only hope that others in my position do the same.

Semper (Fi/Paratus/whatever suits you).



>> ^Lawdeedaw:

>> ^MarineGunrock:
And yes, for the record, I do believe that all capable persons have a moral obligation to help when possible.

Hey Marinegunrock, you have a right to downvote my comment, and I have no problem with that. Still, I would like to explain a bit about my comments---because I think you might have the wrong impression (I tend to fuck up on expressing my thoughts.)
Soldiers and Marines returning from overseas have two types of medals. Those they wear on their chests, and those they wear in their minds. They live life on the edge in a warzone. I don't remember a day my unit wasn't mortared over in Iraq--but I served nevertheless. That does not mean I, or other servicemen, adjusted well upon return... And they certainly were not ready for a career in law enforcement!!!
However, instead of wearing this mental medal proudly, instead of saying, "I am a motherfucking Marine or Soldier, I have issues," people are saying, "Hey, I went through hell and came back flawless. Love me please."
Just because we are heroes doesn't mean we are right in the brain my friend. You have to be wrong in the head, or you don't survive--or you get others killed...

Come on dude, it's a joke, and a mild one at that. >> ^blankfist:

Stefan Molyneux is my favorite? I think your interpretation of me is about as accurate as The Social Network was about the events surrounding the creation of facebook.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Come on dude, it's a joke, and a mild one at that. >> ^blankfist:
Stefan Molyneux is my favorite? I think your interpretation of me is about as accurate as The Social Network was about the events surrounding the creation of facebook.



Hence my smiley face.

>> ^MarineGunrock:
Now that I go back and read your comment again, I see I mis-read it and shouldn't have downvoted. My bad.
I too have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and my tour in Iraq was no picnic. For several years, I wanted to be a cop, and I would still like to, but I have come to realize though introspection and professional help that constant mortaring has re-wired my brain to the point where I should not be a police officer. It has left me with an extremely short temper, and that would most definitely lead to no good. I can only hope that others in my position do the same.
Semper (Fi/Paratus/whatever suits you).
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^MarineGunrock:
And yes, for the record, I do believe that all capable persons have a moral obligation to help when possible.

Hey Marinegunrock, you have a right to downvote my comment, and I have no problem with that. Still, I would like to explain a bit about my comments---because I think you might have the wrong impression (I tend to fuck up on expressing my thoughts.)
Soldiers and Marines returning from overseas have two types of medals. Those they wear on their chests, and those they wear in their minds. They live life on the edge in a warzone. I don't remember a day my unit wasn't mortared over in Iraq--but I served nevertheless. That does not mean I, or other servicemen, adjusted well upon return... And they certainly were not ready for a career in law enforcement!!!
However, instead of wearing this mental medal proudly, instead of saying, "I am a motherfucking Marine or Soldier, I have issues," people are saying, "Hey, I went through hell and came back flawless. Love me please."
Just because we are heroes doesn't mean we are right in the brain my friend. You have to be wrong in the head, or you don't survive--or you get others killed...




Don't worry Marinegunrock, for every one good comment out there---there are one-million ignorant comments. In other words, in a world of trolls, it takes a constantly keen eye to tell between the shit and the diamonds. Hell, I don't even have half the time, so I learn the people when I can... In fact, that's why I explained myself to you---because I can see you post reasonably.


I am greatly impressed that truth matters to you more than blind-emotions Marinegunrock; I am honestly impressed. Few people would admit any problems anywhere, and that's why we as people, and this country, have so many--we break em, but we don't attempt to solve them.

Yes, you are patronizing; it oozes out of your posts. No, you don't know what you're talking about.

The correct answer is that there is not enough data to prove one way or another. Even the organization in the link you provided admit the severe limitations of their technique, which primarily relies on media reports. Your obvious pro-cop bias (nothing wrong with that, but at least admit it) leads you to think that the very scant data supports your point.

Even your back-of-the-envelope calculation show your bias. And do you really think that 54 cases of brutality in a year is so insignificant? Probably because you think you or your loved ones will never be on the wrong end of a stick. 54 is quite alot for one city. Hell, one is too many, to be frank. Setting a low bar for our officers is not helping them.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:
I never patronized you, longde. I don't know why you're so defensive Second, I thought that when you said, "and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely," that you knew what you were talking about. Obviously, since you would "have to do homework" on the issue--instead of being able to state the cases you know--you don't know what you talking about.
Here, let me show you I know what I am talking about. Let's say that "quite often" in a large community (A large city) is once per day or a little less. Now, the site I use is definitely biased against cops with the language they use... However, that goes in my favor--since even biased sites seemingly cannot show systemic police brutality.
http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=2218
The calculations here are only 3 months of reported cases, so we should multiply it by at least 4 to make it as close to year's worth as possible.
Note, for simplicity, I use the information under the header "Law Enforcement Agencies Employing 1000+ Officers".
Note, let's also say that the reported cases are not inclusive of all cases--so let's add 50% more (In your favor.)
Last note, only about 30% of these cases are "force related," I.e taser, brutality, animal cruelty, etc.
So, the highest noted city, Atlanta Georgia, has 38 cases for three months. Multiply by 4, 152... let's add that .5 for non-reported, and that's 228... But wait, let's subtract a few that are perhaps bullshit. (I remember around my area a guy was abused in a wheelchair. The offending officer got a felony, lost his pension, and other charges that he deserved. Right after that though, a guy literally threw himself from a wheelchair without being touched, and another reached up and tried to pull another officer on top of him, all so they could get that big payout of a lawsuit...ass-hats should look for cameras.) So let's take out 20%, even though it's probably higher because you can sue the state easier than Wal-Mart... So about 182 at most...
Since only about 30% of those cases are abuse-related, that means police beat citizens in Atlanta Ga about 54 times in a year!!!! OMG!!! That's so rampant!
Now, my math sucks, so I could be off a lot, or a little, who knows. But the point is, people tend to exaggerate shit when they have emotions predisposed against a group. I know bad police exist, and that they should be punished, I know this because I am not blinded by either admiration or hate.
>> ^longde:
To the contrary, instead of patronizing me with a homework assignment, how about providing proof of your original assertion about the rarity of such violence. In fact, your original response to me has many unproven statements.
>> ^Lawdeedaw:

That's probably true, but another source of moral ambiguity (and here is probably where we strongly disagree) is that it is not clear who is in the wrong, here. I don't automatically assume that a cop chasing a perp is a good guy chasing a bad guy. It's due to my expereinces, since I have been on the receiving end of some bad cop behavior. But unless I see the perp snatch the purse, I will not jump to help the cop.

>> ^MarineGunrock:
It's not like you'd have to wait thirty minutes for the cops to get there. Were you to tackle him, the cop would be there in a matter of seconds. Also, I never said you have to yell out "MY NAME IS JOHN PETERSON AND I LIVE AT 342 MAPLE LANE!!!"
>> ^longde:
Mr. Gunrock, you are being quite unreasonable. I think everyone that has opined on this issue would help you out in the life and death situation of your house being on fire.
But the video in question is alot more morally/ethically ambiguous than dousing the fire on a neighbor's house.
For one, we don't know the details. Secondly, even if we did, how many people have the training to properly intervene in this scenario?
It's not as simple as tackling the suspect and collecting the key to the city. There are substantial legal and liability questions to consider. I have a responsibility to my family that overwhelmingly outweighs risking our finances and my life in a situation that I know nothing about. (I guess I am too jaded to automatically assume that every cop is a 'good' guy, and everyone who runs from them are 'bad')

longde; I showed you when I was being patronizing, in the comments about Couey. No other comments are patronizing. I cannot help if some points are stated bluntly.

As far as the "pro-cop bias"--stop assuming just because I question you beliefs. Here is an example of how I think in ALL matters--not just about cops.

I personally am atheist and think belief in a higher power is kind of sad (Like a fat woman eating a whole tub of ice cream.) Most religious people act horribly towards atheists like myself. However, I give religious people the benefit of doubt. I am not pro-religious... Just like I am not pro-cop. Pro-cops make excuses for violence, pro-religious makes excuses for belligerent a-holes, I DO NOT, EVER! However, I tell you what I try to be--non-judgmental.

The answer to my statistics isn't worth the time. Let's just say that you were the one who said he knew about cop beatings in his community, and I have yet to get your number.

Lastly, "setting the bar low." Oh grow the fuck up (I have to patronize to the hyperbole you use here.) Cops are humans, and they sometimes are horrible sacks of shit. See, I agree one case of abuse is too much, and your statement implies that I do not. Also too much; is one car wreck, one cancer case, one still-born and one mental retardation, one electrocution, one accidental drowning or shooting, the list goes on and on to infinity. Yes--all of those are bad, and all of those are going to happen. But to classify, for example, heart-attacks, something that happens quite often (about 1 million a year,) as close to cop beatings, that's insane hyperbole. All I ask is that you use the proper adjectives, instead of lumping the same words together
for the shake of shock-and-awe, or whatever reason you are doing it.

I do appreciate the fact that you have not said, "Well, I have a life and gotta go!" So many pricks do... So thank you for still pointing out your beliefs and not resorting to being a child.


>> ^longde:

Yes, you are patronizing; it oozes out of your posts. No, you don't know what you're talking about.
The correct answer is that there is not enough data to prove one way or another. Even the organization in the link you provided admit the severe limitations of their technique, which primarily relies on media reports. Your obvious pro-cop bias (nothing wrong with that, but at least admit it) leads you to think that the very scant data supports your point.
Even your back-of-the-envelope calculation show your bias. And do you really think that 54 cases of brutality in a year is so insignificant? Probably because you think you or your loved ones will never be on the wrong end of a stick. 54 is quite alot for one city. Hell, one is too many, to be frank. Setting a low bar for our officers is not helping them.
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Predisposed to hating cops with all your passion... You know, I had bad experiences with black people in my past, but that does not mean I did what you did--most of my friends are black and I am so glad for that. "But races are different than profession!" Yes, yes they are--but the reasons for the hate would be the same.

>> ^longde:

That's probably true, but another source of moral ambiguity (and here is probably where we strongly disagree) is that it is not clear who is in the wrong, here. I don't automatically assume that a cop chasing a perp is a good guy chasing a bad guy. It's due to my expereinces, since I have been on the receiving end of some bad cop behavior. But unless I see the perp snatch the purse, I will not jump to help the cop.
>> ^MarineGunrock:
It's not like you'd have to wait thirty minutes for the cops to get there. Were you to tackle him, the cop would be there in a matter of seconds. Also, I never said you have to yell out "MY NAME IS JOHN PETERSON AND I LIVE AT 342 MAPLE LANE!!!"
>> ^longde:
Mr. Gunrock, you are being quite unreasonable. I think everyone that has opined on this issue would help you out in the life and death situation of your house being on fire.
But the video in question is alot more morally/ethically ambiguous than dousing the fire on a neighbor's house.
For one, we don't know the details. Secondly, even if we did, how many people have the training to properly intervene in this scenario?
It's not as simple as tackling the suspect and collecting the key to the city. There are substantial legal and liability questions to consider. I have a responsibility to my family that overwhelmingly outweighs risking our finances and my life in a situation that I know nothing about. (I guess I am too jaded to automatically assume that every cop is a 'good' guy, and everyone who runs from them are 'bad')

@MarineGunrock There is a world of difference between a burning building and a person running from a cop. A fire doesn't come back with a vengeance. It's not innocent until proven guilty. It doesn't panic and shoot you on a whim because everyone has guns in your crazy country. It's not a person.

If your house was on fire, I'd help out in a second, but if you were chasing someone and even if you were wearing a cop uniform, I'd definitely think twice, meaning I'd probably not get involved.