I'm sorry but what a dummy.

Agreed. Stupid and unnecessary. They weren't violent, and basically stole what? 30 dollars? Not a good reason to risk your life.

The vid is annoying. I suspect her anger might be race based -- hard to say.

But the tags.... the tags.... the tags must be appreciated in all their glory.

Up vote for Glory Tags.

I'm surprised no one mentioned the cop car almost cutting the guy in half against a fence.

Yeah, it was stupid what she did, dangerous and probably pointless too. But I feel her outrage as she is standing in line paying for her stuff with her hard earned cash while watching these guys just walk out the door with free beer, and no one giving a shit.

So she was able to turn a misdemeanor into a felony on each of their heads. Nice job supplying the prison industrial complex with fresh meat. I think those kids should be punished, but they should not go to prison for stealing some fucking beers.

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>> ^longde:

So she was able to turn a misdemeanor into a felony on each of their heads. Nice job supplying the prison industrial complex with fresh meat. I think those kids should be punished, but they should not go to prison for stealing some fucking beers.


I'd agree with you if we're talking about pot, but not theft.

She's a single parent jumping on top of a car with three criminals in it? Mindbogglingly irresponsible.

As my martial arts instructor used to say "Cemeteries are full of heroes".She could of been seriously hurt or worse and her kids would have had to live the rest of their lives knowing it was all for a few sixpacks....

@bareboards2

Thank god, someone played the race card. "I can't imagine why someone would dislike crime, so just to be safe let's call her a racist."

How would we survive without anti-self-reliance crutches.

@chilaxe, I have racist relatives. I have watched them go bananas when a black person does something they don't like. I found her reaction to be way over the top - it appeared to be fueled by something more than just thievery.

Have you been around racist folks in the South? Have you listened to the vitriol and bile that comes out of their mouths about black people? It is astounding, irrational, and deeply rooted in something primal and rage-filled.

There are all sorts of people here, commenting on how irresponsible and weird it is that she risked her life and limbs over a couple of cases of beer. Something set her off. I guessed -- guessed -- that it might be racism.

I could be wrong. I don't know. I'm just looking at the evidence in front of me, paired up with my knowledge of the profound irrationality of deeply racist people.

I just thought the tags were really cool. Sylvester Sylvester Sylvester is funny.

@bareboards2

That's a fair point. On the other hand, it's hard to view 3 retards robbing a store as victims, and if prosocial concern gets you called some of the worst insults in the language, society is probably no longer a meaningful concept.

True, except I didn't think they were victims. She can (possibly) be a racist and they can still be thieving assholes. I don't have to choose a "side".

And nobody called anybody anything, right?

Sylvester Sylvester Sylvester.


>> ^chilaxe:

@bareboards2
That's a fair point. On the other hand, it's hard to view 3 retards robbing a store as victims, and if prosocial concern gets you called some of the worst insults in the language, society is probably no longer a meaningful concept.

She strikes me as a busybody. Society isn't going to collapse because some guys stole beers. Don't Walmart have security? You try that in England and all sorts of alarms are going off and the guards are running out.

wow, she is out of her gourd

@chilaxe let me tell you a story....

I grew up hearing the n word from my father all the time. It always enraged me -- even as a little kid, I knew it was wrong. The way he said it, too -- it was like he was saying "shit", the word just dripped in hatred.

Four years ago, he had to move into a nursing home in Oklahoma. Many many black people were nurses, nurses aides, doctors. He knew he couldn't use the n word, but he would say "that nurse is black, everyone is black" and you could hear in his voice that he was using the n word.

Now, he doesn't. All those folks giving him such good care, he doesn't see them as the n word anymore.

But this last trip, I was telling him about how horrible my uncle had been during my visit. Immediately, he said "I grew up with them, and they smelled. They all smelled bad." And the vitriol was back in his voice. It's been over 70 years, and he still drips with it. "Dad, they were all poor. It was the depression. They likely didn't have running water." I could see on his face that that possibility had never occurred to him.

My father is an educated man -- masters degree in Engineering from MIT. But he never made that connection.

So when this woman with a Southern accent acted so irrationally, I thought she might be fueled by something deeper and darker than just being mad about three cases of beer.

I could be wrong. I don't know. It is, however, a distinct possibility.

Sorry if that offends anyone. But pretending it doesn't exist can be equally offensive.

@bareboards2

"I'm just sick of the lawlessness," the 42-year-old Alvin woman said. "They knew their chances of getting caught were slim to none. Those kids would have gotten away with it, celebrated their theft and probably continue to do it." http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7619201.html#ixzz1QV5iBQwJ

I'm not accusing her of any crime. I am speculating. As are you.

Why does it bother you so much that I think there is a possibility she is racist? If she isn't, good for her. If she is, wow, look at that, that is some crazy shit.

Besides, she can be right about hating lawlessness and still be a crazy ass racist. These aren't mutually exclusive points of view.



>> ^chilaxe:

@bareboards2

"I'm just sick of the lawlessness," the 42-year-old Alvin woman said. "They knew their chances of getting caught were slim to none. Those kids would have gotten away with it, celebrated their theft and probably continue to do it." http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7619201.html#ixzz1QV5iBQ
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@bareboards2

It seems reasonable to oppose unnecessary race cards because most of the people who play race cards contradict themselves, and race cards tend to be used as crutches.

@chilaxe, good points.

And sometimes people are just racist.

However, pretending it doesn't exist is equally offensive as trotting it out at the drop of a hat.

I don't see the need to choose a "side" -- as I say repeatedly, both things can be true. Why do you feel it necessary to stomp out a possibility?

There are folks who live with racism 24/7. This site can handle someone pointing that out once in awhile.

@bareboards2 Sure, if a video depicts someone suffering from racism, that's fine to point it out, and that wouldn't be perpetuating a hyper-racially-focused society.

@bareboards2 As you can see, chilaxe has a major bone to pick with Affirmative Action, especially the forms which benefit latinos and blacks, but not some Asian groups. Implying that blacks and latinos may still suffer from mass bias in society would weaken some of his criticisms of those programs. So, he must raise the bar for racism, requiring explicit evidence for a phenom that has very subtle forms today.

I have lived in the south, as well as the San Fran Bay Area, and I am very familiar with the attitude that would have someone overreact over a petty crime. Apparently, it has gone over Chilaxe's head the fact that these boys will be overpunished for a petty crime, and this may have some bearing in bias against them or their group.

He calls them repeat criminals (proof?). I say they are stupid kids. I know plenty of people of all races who committed crimes in their high school or college youth, but went on to live productive lives. Only a subset of them (guess which) are given snap labels like 'offender' or 'criminal'. Nothing to do with race, though.........

@chilaxe, what @longde said.

Chile baby, where do you live? Both longde and I make specific reference to the South. I wonder if that isn't part of different life experiences, and how that shapes your world view? Have you experienced the subtle and overt racism endemic to the American South? It is truly astounding.

As I walked to work this afternoon, I thought long and hard about why this might upset you, me nonchalantly wondering if this woman is racist (and it's not just you, by the way, I got a PM from someone who was upset also.)

I remembered another story, that might help you understand why I was so quick to think she MIGHT MIGHT MIGHT be a nice, polite, run of the mill Southern American racist....

Another uncle. Another racist uncle. Hated blacks. Used the n word. He and I got into a conversation about it once (not a topic we spent a lot of time on.)

To support his position, he told me that his grandsons never used the n word. But one day, as they walked home from school when they were 8-9 years old, they were jumped by a bunch of black kids and beat up. And now they used the n word and hated all blacks. My uncle told me this proudly, as proof that the world had shown his grandsons the truth. (My uncle grew up in rural Arkansas, his grandsons in California.)

I just looked at him slack jawed. So there were a couple of asshole black kids and now all blacks are n******?!!?

What longde said, chile. A black person does something wrong and something weird is triggered, an anger and a need to extrapolate to all black people and conflate all wrongs done by black people.

I'm not saying that this woman did that. I'm saying she over-reacted in a weird way and I have a possible explanation for it.

@longde

Repeat criminals. Source: watch the video with the sound on.

@bareboards2

People like Longde are why you're on the wrong side of the issue. It's no surprise that people with anti-self-reliance attitudes like Longde will always need affirmative action while impoverished Asian American immigrants outperform them despite suffering from the atrocious, demonstratable racist discrimination Longde supports.

@chilaxe, where do you live?

On the repeat criminals, mea culpa.

On your ad hominem attack, you don't know me, and I don't know you, but I'll put my academic and professional accomplishments, including standardized test scores, against yours any day. Self-empowered is definitely an adjective my colleagues would use to describe me.

I live in the bay area, and have friends of all races, and in many ways, it is just like the south. Ethnic groups are very segregated, and people of all races hate on each other. Asian groups are not exception to the rule, they discriminate as much as the blacks and whites. However, there is alot of interracial socializing and working, obviously, which makes it a great place to live.

Impoverished Asian American immigrants? OK....The asian immigrants I am most familiar with and work with in the Bay come to the states with technical bachelor or advanced degrees. They are not impoverished by any standard. For Chinese immigrants, the chinese government won't even let people out of the country on holiday unless they have a particular net worth/bank balance.

I'll also point out that immigrants of any ethnic group, including african immigrants outperform americans of all races, including 2nd generation asian americans. I assume you mean academic performance in grade school of their kids.

There is a subset of asian immigrants that come here illegally or stay illegally, and work illegally in the food, sex, and garment industries, living in cramped illegal housing. Now, those folks are impoverished.


>> ^chilaxe:
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Repeat criminals. Source: watch the video with the sound on.
@<A rel="nofollow" class=profilelink title="member since July 3rd, 2009" href="http://videosift.com/member/bareboards2"><STRONG style="COLOR: #008800">bareboards2
People like Longde are why you're on the wrong side of the issue. It's no surprise that people with anti-self-reliance attitudes like Longde will always need affirmative action while impoverished Asian American immigrants outperform them despite suffering from the atrocious, demonstratable racist discrimination Longde supports.

@chilaxe

"atrocious racial discrimination"

You mean little Johnny will have to go to Davis instead of Berkeley. Or Notre Dame instead of UCLA. Or (gasp!) De Anza instead of San Jose State. Oh the horrors!!!! Yeah, its worse than the Japanese Internment. Is that all? I bet latinos and blacks in Cali wish they could suffer the atrocities you say Asians have instead of the ones they are saddled with.

@longde"I bet latinos and blacks in Cali wish they could suffer the atrocities you say Asians have."

Nobody would want to go from receiving huge SAT bonuses to receiving the 140-450 point SAT disadvantage that Asian minorities receive.

It seems hard to defend that kind of deliberate racism instead of advocating affirmative action be based on parental income.