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Cockpit video of US/Brit friendly fire, no narration, 8:20

gwaansays...

I hate the way that the US will never let its troops be held to account for their actions by any foreign country or international institution - even if it is one of their closest allies. It's the same kind of exceptionalism that can be seen in America's refusal to sign up to the International Criminal Court. Americans are not above international law!

The Army never release the evidence, cover-up the evidence, and normally won't comment. When they are compelled by huge international or domestic pressure to have an internal investigation they end up convicting low ranking troops - without ever going after the incompetent leadership at the top of the chain of command - look what happened over the prison abuse at Abu Ghraib.

Transcript of tape:

Here are extracts from a transcript of the Sun video.

The aircraft is an A-10 tank buster aircraft, call sign Popov36. A second jet involved has the call sign Popov35. The call signs Manila Hotel, Manila34 and Lightning34 are three US Marine Corps forward air controllers on the ground attached to British units. In the video the pilots are heard becoming upset and swearing as they realise the mistake that has been made.



Popov36: Hey, I got a four ship. Looks like we got orange panels on them though. Do we have any friendlies up in this area?

Manila hotel: I understand that was north 800 metres.

Manila hotel: Popov, understand that was north 800 metres?

Popov35: Confirm, north 800 metres.Confirm there are no friendlies this far north on the ground.

Manila hotel: That is an affirm. You are well clear of friendlies.

Popov35: Copy. I see multiple riveted vehicles. Some look like flatbed trucks and others are green vehicles. Can't quite make out the type. Look like may be Zil157s (Russian made trucks used by Iraqi army).

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Popov 36: OK. Right underneath you. Right now, there's a canal that runs north/south. There's a small village, and there are vehicles that are spaced evenly there.

Popov 36: They look like they have orange panels on though.

Popov35: He told me, he told me there's nobody north of here, no friendlies.

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Popov36: They've got something orange on top of them

Popov35: Popov for Manila 3, is Manila 34 in this area?

Manila Hotel: Say again?

Popov35: Manila hotel, is Manila 34 in this area?

Manila hotel: Negative. Understand they are well clear of that now.

Popov35: OK, copy. Like I said, multiple riveted vehicles. They look like flatbed trucks. Are those your targets?

Manila hotel: That's affirm

Popov35: OK

.....

Popov36: I want to get that first one before he gets into town then.

Popov35: Get him - get him.

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[Sound of gunfire]...

Lightning 34: Roger, Popov. Be advised that in the 3122 and 3222 group box you have friendly armour in the area. Yellow, small armoured tanks. Just be advised.

Popov35: Ahh shit.

Popv35: Got a - got a smoke.

Lightning 34: Hey, Popov34, abort your mission. You got a, looks we might have a blue on blue situation.

Popov35: Fuck. God, bless it.

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Manila 34: We are getting an initial brief that there was one killed and one wounded, over.

Popov 35: Copy. RTB (return to base)

I'm going to be sick.

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Popov35: Did you hear?

Popov36: Yeah, this sucks.

Popov35: We're in jail dude

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Popov35: They did say there were no friendlies.

Popov36:Yeah, I know that thing with the orange panels is going to screw us. They look like orange rockets on top.

Wumpussays...

"I hate the way that the US will never let its troops be held to account for their actions by any foreign country or international institution - even if it is one of their closest allies. It's the same kind of exceptionalism that can be seen in America's refusal to sign up to the International Criminal Court. Americans are not above international law!"

America is the last accountable nation in the planet. If somebody from America fucks up, the whole justice system is held under a microscope by the rest if the world, and America will never submit to the standards of any "international body." Americans are held to their own high standards, and not to anyone else's.

International Criminal Court??? Please...The World Court is a joke, a fucking joke. They only took 6 years to try that bastard Milošević and even then they couldn't come to any decision before he died in in his jail cell.

gwaansays...

"America is the last accountable nation in the planet." - no an accountable nation is one that has enough regard for the integrity of other nations and peoples to be held to account by politically neutral international institutions like the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice.

"Americans are held to their own high standards, and not to anyone else's." Typical bullshit exceptionalist rhetoric to be expected from a champion of the American right. It's funny, because those high standards you talk about aren't very apparent in the appalling treatment of inmates at Guantanamo Bay who have been denied due legal process. America is constantly in violation of the Geneva Conventions and many international human rights rights treaties - this is why you think that the International Criminal Court "is a joke, a fucking joke" - because you're terrified that you and your ilk may have to answer for the crimes they have committed - or blindly supported. Furthermore, if Bush and his cronies had invested the same effort in supporting the ICC that they invested in trying to discredit it, and intimidating third world nations with the threat of a loss of aid if they support the court, then perhaps it could be more successful.

Wumpus - you know nothing about international law or the international legal system. I can only take comfort in the fact that people who hold views similar to yours are a small minority - only prevalent in America - whose days of policy making and international influence are thankfully coming to an end!

darksunsays...

These pilots weren't trained enough. They still required training that would have allowed them to recognise british and other allied vehicles.

Orange rockets? That's one of the silliest things i've heard. "I know, lets paint our rockets orange so we are more identifiable by the enemy".

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