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51 Comments
SaNdMaNsays...I'm still baffled that such an overwhelming majority of people still believe in fairy tales.
budzossays...Yes, remove the word "God" from your currency and take "under god" out of the pledge of allegiance. That's the barest, most basic of starts to removing your bullshit hoodoo from reality.
"I love the lord" = "I am morally superior to you" = "If I had power I would oppress you"
I loathe these people and if my atheistic moral principles didn't restrict my actions, I'd lob a grenade in their direction.
The woman who is so insistent that "They should shut up"... I'd like to choke her.
Fucking idiots completely overturning the intent of their country... It's NOT A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY,IT'S BEEN HIJACKED BY CHRISTIANS.
Lately my feelings on this have really started to crystallize. I thought you're supposed to mellow in your thirties. I have no problem with christians, but I have a HUGE problem with christians who have a problem with me. There's no more vicious and contemptible little savages out there than those armed with petty christian delusions.
dagsays...Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)
Wow - it's sad to be a US citizen outside the US and watch the slow conversion of the US into an authoritarian theocracy.
It's the statements and beliefs that these people are comfortable with that shock me.
budzossays...I think I might actually have to give up on the girl I'm seeing right now, as she believes in god to the point her family prays before dinner. It's such a fucking joke, they might as well start every meal by praising Ronald McDonald.
Farhad2000says...Excuse me.
You wanna talk about hypocrisy? the pilgrims colonists originally left Great Britain because of RELIGIOUS PROSECUTION, why the hell do you think there is a vast separation between church and state, because the founding fathers didn't want that repeated. So now we are supposed to go back on that?
So a human being needs to be religious to develop a feeling of morality? Of what is right and wrong? that is a innate quality in all human beings. Thinking that one attains that only from religion is very naive.
And the last statement the woman makes, about Europe being mostly atheists, thus becoming more Islamic? So Islamic is instantly not religious and somewhat evil or worse? No wonder Paula Zahn ends it there because that was blatantly racist and xenophobic.
Strong Christians? Am sorry but Jerry Falwell, Ted Haggard and Pat Robertson don't constitute strong Christians.
doremifasays...Oh, I know a lady who's an atheist. She's very nice... where are the token atheists?
pyrexsays...*head explodes*
Fiver2says...Could agree more Farhad2000...
This is NOT a christian country.
This is a country full of christian idiots...
Im just waiting for "The Crusades" to happen again...
BillOreillysays...Nice, you're all proving what the women on the panel are saying. Well done kids.
budzossays...Nobody's proving anything. The women on the panel are idiots.
PostMortemsays..."Nice, you're all proving what the women on the panel are saying. Well done kids."
Could you perhaps point to one or two examples? I can't quite see how our comments are proving the women's points. I'm honestly curious!
That1Swedesays...That's one scary panel, looks like the only person I could stand in the panel would be the dark-skinned guy.
.. I'm still waiting for the separating of church and state..
P.S. PostMortem's avatar wins.
qruelsays...i get it. Bill Oreilly's posting is suppossed to be a joke. get it...he posts obnoxious, non-sensical things just like the real Oreilly would. wow, how original, what a class act.
PostMortemsays..."P.S. PostMortem's avatar wins."
Thank you! Thank you very much!
OOTS fan I assume?
bamdrewsays...oh shit, i havn't been keeping up with OOTS! I'm heading over there now...
Favorite quote from this: "freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion". If you can't understand the basic reasons why the founders of this country demanded a separation of church and state then you have absolutely no business being in a debate about religion and US politics. Telling that the ESPN analyst is the voice of reason.
Fletchsays...I was waiting for one of them to say, "I don't have a problem with atheists. I have an atheist friend". What a group of self-righteous, condescending, ignorant little disciples. This is the kind of shit you see on Fox and Friends (as I've said before, easily the 3 dumbest people on all TV). Why do religious nutbars get all excited like this? Like that lady who went off on her son (who had just told her he was an atheist) in a video posted here recently. It's like their programming isn't designed to handle reality and they go into defense mode and overload. This would be a much better world without religion and this stupid belief in god.
Fletchsays..."I think I might actually have to give up on the girl I'm seeing right now, as she believes in god to the point her family prays before dinner."
Been there twice, budzos. I don't know how religious she is, but if you ever hear the ol' "I believe our relationship should be more of a triangle" crap, get out! She's too far gone! You can't save her! Let her go! Love does NOT conquer all!
sometimessays..."one nation under god"...
"under god" added in 1954 red scare legislation.
"in god we trust" Official motto in 1956, added to paper money in 1957.
BillOreillysays..."i get it. Bill Oreilly's posting is suppossed to be a joke. get it...he posts obnoxious, non-sensical things just like the real Oreilly would. wow, how original, what a class act."
"Obnoxious"? Possibly... if it's your first time on the internets. One look at these posts makes the women on the panel of this video look like saints (no pun intended, although you can take offense if you'd like.) "Non-sensical"? Now we're just getting out of hand, eh junior? Let's all take a deep breath, calm down, and drink a spot o' tea. There there children, much better.
statueofmikesays...Isn't the real topic supposed to be "whether there is widespread discrimination against Atheists?"
And still, every GOOD CHRISTIAN member of the panel (even if they weren't Christian) felt the need to assert their status as believers before risking an opinion...
"'Freedom of religion' does not mean 'Freedom from religion.'"
That pisses me off, it's just so wrong. Yes, in order to function throughout out day-to-day lives, every human being needs to develop a basic understanding of something. Most Atheists simply get by with logic and education.
CaptainPlanet420says...our govt is ruld by majority, majority = christians. so go whine in another country, ur logic teh suxXors. RAWWWWR! LOLLERSK8
sl666says...maybe we should get atheism recognised as a religion? that might make us more moral?
AnimalsForCrackerssays...Christian fundies on CNN with Paula Zahn, tonight at 10! Be there or burn in hell for all eternity...
This segment makes O'Reilly seem enjoyable in comparison. I enjoy watching ole' Papa Bear every now and then if anything for the theatrics and parody value.
PostMortemsays...CaptainPlanet, the USA is a constitutional republic, not a true democracy. Don't worry I don't actually expect you to know what that means. The founding fathers of the US were very much against the idea of majority rule. Ever heard the expression, "The tyranny of the majority"? I doubt you have. Well, the founding fathers certainly had heard that phrase, and they felt it was of utmost importance. The entire constitution is framed around the idea of preventing the tyranny of the majority. Majority rule is what forced many early immigrants to flee Britain and come to America. So why would they wish to copy their oppressors? It would be nice if you actually learned something about your country and its government before you made foolish and clearly false claims.
PostMortemsays...One look at these posts makes the women on the panel of this video look like saints
-BillOreilly
This is the second time you've made this claim.
Nice, you're all proving what the women on the panel are saying. Well done kids.
-BillOreilly
So, I'll ask you again:
Could you point to one or two examples?
If you're so certain why not back up your claims?
mrcrosby4says...1 - Atheist is such a nasty term - id hate to call myself one, it just connotes harshness and opposition. (Funny, since almost all atheists I've ever met are either very rebellious or pissy and feel that they are superior in knowledge)
bamdrewsays...I very grudgingly label myself atheist, and hardly ever do with people who I don't know. I'm a spiritual person, and that doesn't come across in the term... just like in the clip, some people think not believing in one a few specific tales means you don't believe in anything.
And to mrcrosby, I also dislike when individuals are condescending towards those who hold classic faiths closely. Religion plays a large part in my grandparent's lives, and its often a beautiful thing (...example excepting being their minister preaching that good Christians should vote Bush).
cybrbeastsays...American religious zealotism is scary.
I'm what is called a Tooth Fairy Atheist. I don't deny the possibility that there is a god but I think it as like as the possibility that there is a Tooth Fairy.
irishlad78says...It's kind of hilarious that 4 reasonably educated people can stand around talking about religions' place in American society and not even know that the Pledge of Allegiance did not originally contain the phrase "one nation under God", it was added in 1954 by conservative interest groups and a conservative president.
I tire of the phrase "freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion". It's rhetorical nonsense. Freedom implies choice, and choosing not to believe/follow a religion is just as valid a choice as choosing to be Christian, Muslim, Shinto, or any other damn thing.
America may be predominantly Christian, it may have been founded on Judeo-Christian values, the founding fathers were all believers (though they were really deists-that's a whole other argument). However, that is not all that America is. America is also Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Shinto, Jewish, atheist, agnostic, and hundreds of other things. It belongs to all of us, not just the majority. Prayer is something that each of these groups can choose to do at their own personal will. It does not need to be officially sanctioned by the governemnt, schoools, or any other official body. Furthermore, someone needs to point out that religious belief and immorality are not mutually exclusive. I tire of the implication that anyone who's a non-believer is suddenly an inferior moralist.
CaptainPlanet420says..."CaptainPlanet, the USA is a constitutional republic, not a true democracy. ...."
why'd u stop at a paragraph bro? i need more details, details...yer right too, most of wat u talk abt is a lil over my head. but i think the angry atheist children could go found a new america. oh noes i alrdy said that. btw ur missin more commas again, young one.
escape421521says...CaptainPlanet: I'll take this over so PostM doesn't have to. You want over a paragraph? I'll give you over a paragraph.
When creating the govt, the founding fathers (who have been so diefied it sickens me) had several things in mind. To keep a long story short, the #1 thing they DIDN'T want to do, was create a 'pure' democracy. In those places were such systems existed (check republican rome/ancient greece), the political system would be dominated by a large group of people, and the minority would be ineveitable opressed by the majority. This occured along such lines as social status, economic class, and religious beliefs. To this end, a republic (few represent many) was formed. Built into this system (admittedly as an afterthought) was protection for the rights of the people. (See the whole Amendment's /Bill of Rights.) These rights were applied to state and local matters through constitutional law (due process) that is way to complicated to get into right now. BUT to get to the point I wanted to make . . . With regards to freedom of religion, there are appropriatly two divisions. The first states that people are free to practice whatever religion they want (this includes not having one. Forcing people to believe something = bad), the second, however, relates to the institution of relgion. Specifically nothing supported by the state/national govts could specifically endorse a specific religion, nor include any others.
If you really want more info, look beyond your middle school social studies textbook. Ah! Just got a great idea. Look at the 'Federalist Papers.' They are written by the founders and explain why pretty much everything in the constitution says what it says.
I've wasted enough time on this, and you. Escape out.
viewer_999says...It would be more infuriating if these people weren't so damn dumb... but by the end of it, you just have to laugh. That pulitzer bitch is over the top idiot, not even worth talking about, but I never knew that Debbie was quite so dumb, too. As for the guy, he comes across as the most understanding, but even he's a dope; see -3:03 for his supposed enlightened view laced with irony.
Very dumb people. A bit scary.
jimnmssays..."Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
- Thomas Jefferson
"A professorship of theology should have no place in our institution."
- Thomas Jefferson
"The priests of the different religious sects dread the advance of science as witches do the the approach of daylight, and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subdivision of the duperies on which they live."
- Thomas Jefferson
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter"
- Thomas Jefferson
"Lighthouses are more useful than churches"
- Benjamin Franklin
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason"
- Benjamin Franklin
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it"
- John Adams
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
- Treaty of Tripoli, 1796
"During the presidential campaign of 1880, the Christian Union made the startling admission that, of the nineteen men who, up to that time, had held the office of President of the United States, not one, with the Possible exception of Washington, had ever been a member of a Christian church.
- Remsburg (1906)
CaptainPlanet420says..."I've wasted enough time on this, and you. Escape out."
I worked with English-challenged Mexicans who communicated more cohesively than you. PostMortimer can help with writing, kthxbai?
xxovercastxxsays...Some of the statements made in the video and the comments are classic anti-atheist bigotry.
The Jewish woman mentions the "obnoxious Michael Newdow" who went to the supreme court to protect his child's right to not be forced to adhere to someone else's religion. I wish it didn't have to be such a big deal, but that's how the system works. The supreme court is the only court with the authority to rule on cases of Constitutionality. You can bet these pricks would be showing up at court houses by the bus load if their children were required to say "one nation under Satan" in school.
Now I don't care if students say the pledge in school; I don't even care if they say "under god" in school; so long as they aren't forced to say it. We were sent to the principal's office in my elementary school if we didn't say the pledge. I don't understand why it's so hard for people to see that's ILLEGAL in a publicly-funded school.
This country exists because people who were forced to practice religion they did not believe fled their homes and founded it. As an American, is there anything more profane, more anti-American, than the desecration of the foremost ideal that our country is based on?
The fat little Jew then goes on to state that Europe is becoming Islamist and that the US isn't because Christians are strong and Atheists are weak. This is fucked up on so many levels. First, I've never heard anything about Europe becoming Islamic, but I'll assume that's true for the sake of argument. My first question is, why is that a bad thing? Sounds like intolerance to me. The rest of her statement... I don't even know what to say about it... it almost sounds like a threat. Perhaps she'd like to see a new Crusades. While Atheists may be the smallest of minorities, I think she's mistaken in thinking that all Judeo-Christians would support an extremist movement against us. Of the few theists I know, most of them are pretty disallusioned from the organized religions they were raised under. They'd stand up for what's right whether it had God's stamp of approval on it or not.
@cybrbeast: Your explanation of your beliefs would mark you as an Agnostic, not an Atheist. They are often lumped together, but they are quite different. An Atheist believes there is no God or Gods. An Agnostic believes that it's impossible to prove one way or another and, based upon that observation, makes no claim either way.
pass.the.grog.says...haha, right at the end, the blonde basically states that europe is filled with atheistic muslims. priceless!
cybrbeastsays...Nice quotes jimnms.
I think this new TED video by Richard Dawkins about militant atheism really adds to the current discussion here. Maybe someone would like to sift it, I can't cause I uploaded it.
rickegeesays...Oh, those atheistic European Muslims are the worst. You can't walk three steps in Amsterdam without tripping over someone on a non-prayer mat, not praying to Allah, and undoubtedly spreading Islamofascism and hating my freedom.
I think that the blonde is actually Rachel Drasch from SNL or Carlos Mencia in drag stealing the hot new Sacha Baron Cohen approach to comedy. She can't be serious with the 'atheist Muslims' bit, can she?
It is important to note that this segment followed a story about a family in Mississippi whose daughter was literally removed from her public elementary school because she wasn't down with all of the praying and Bible study. Naturally, if you are a fine journalist like Karen Tucker, I think the first thing that you do is grab Alec Baldwin and go tell the little girl to SHUT UP.
This particular segment is ALWAYS idiotic on the Zahn show. Atheists shouldn't feel uniquely targeted by the Mutt and Jeff show on display courtesy of Cable News Nonsense.
choggiesays..."Imagine replacing the word atheist in the discussion with Jew or woman, do you think it would have been allowed to air?"
This Statement Is Moronic, emotionally charged.....-
A jew is like a black man, you can't scrub the jewish off him.....an Atheist, has developed and adopted a system of beliefs, just like a Christian, which is NOT like a Jew, uhhhhhhh, for obvious reasons....
To compare a Race to A religion is silliness no one here has mentioned.....
For shame submitter, for shame.....
hey jimins, the founding fathers were creating a place where we could all have the natural rights entitled to everyman......
Krazsays...Allow me to play Devil's advocate here (no pun intended).
It seems to me (a casual observer for a long time) that most of the commentators here are atheists or agnostic. That said, I know that I am probably in the minority here as a Christian - and I usually abstain from throwing in my two cents for a couple of reasons: I'm pretty sure nobody here really cares for my point of view after labeling myself as such, and secondly most of the anger I see leveled at the vocal Christian majority in this country is pretty much justified.
But for the sake of those of us willing to actually have a discussion about the topic without throwing around insults, let me pose a question:
How can you expect somebody to live in such a way that conforms to your world-view when they don't share your world-view?
My thoughts? You can't. Rather, you can - and you can go right on expecting until your head explodes. I wouldn't dare expect you to agree with me on any point just because I say it's right. So many of the most vocal and public Christian figures that I see - particularly what I see in the myriad of clips here - base almost all of their arguments on the principal that "What you do is evil in the sight of God, therefore you are condemned."
I understand this to be true only in a sense. For the sake if the discussion, let's assume that God does exist - and there are indeed things that really piss him off. Hypocrisy? Hate? Lies? If these things condemn us, then what does that say for Christians? I have never, and will never meet anyone who doesn't do these things or can indeed not do these things. And I respectfully suggest that you won't, either.
I say the point of Christianity was never, ever to condemn anyone. Exactly how much credibility do my accusations have when I myself do things that I understand God hates? How is that going to help anyone? Every time I turn on the TV and see So-and-So telling homosexuals they are going to burn in hell because of what they do I nearly soil myself at the lunacy. Again, for the sake of the discussion, if God exists and does indeed have a standard then how much sense does it make to assert that God will overlook all of the horrible things that I do, but just can't seem to get past the issue of homosexuality or abortion?
If i seems like a paradox, that's because it is. This is the crux of Christianity and it is sorely misrepresented. You don't need me to tell you that no Christian you meet on this earth is one shred better that you. And when they pretend that they are, you can gingerly file that under "Hypocrisy."
And this is where the discussion shifts from the realm of the corporeal in to the realm of belief. I love the topic of belief because it is categorically unquantifiable. Another question:
Do we really choose what we want to believe? If I asked you to suspend all of your experience and believe that the sky was purple instead of blue, could you do it? If I told you that's what was necessary to be reconciled to God so that every horrible thing you've done or will do will be as though it didn't happen - could anyone even do it? There would doubtless be hoards of people who want to believe it, but deep down could anyone ever truly believe it short of changing the meaning of the words purple and blue? Perhaps not the best illustration, but equate that with believing in Jesus Christ. More specifically, believing in who and what Jesus claimed to be.
I don't have all of the answers, and I damn well can't defend all of the wrongs that people calling themselves Christians have perpetrated. But if anyone ever wants the chance to talk about Christianity with someone not interested in judging them or peddling a sales pitch, PM me. This place is (with a few exceptions) consistently rife with intelligent conversation and I can't pass up the opportunity to talk about something that is so personally significant.
rickegeesays...well said, Kraz.
Anything by Marcus Borg is worthwhile to read in that his works highlight the varieties of Christian experience (particularly Progressive Christianity or Christian skepticism).
I still do not know how to solve the conundrum of Muslim atheism, but I am not a philosopher or a pundit. I suppose you can just tell them to SHUT UP per this clip. But we must be cognizant of the fact that it is just as easy to be a fundamentalist atheist as it is to be a fundamentalist Christian or Muslim.
Maxraysays...I thought Jesus said something about love thy neighbor or forgiveness or tolerence?
This is why I'm not religious. They can't even practice what they preach.
jimnmssays..."I thought Jesus said something about love thy neighbor or forgiveness or tolerence?
This is why I'm not religious. They can't even practice what they preach."
They also say that god has a plan for everyone, yet they stand on street corners with signs saying god hates fags. Maybe god wanted them to be fags?
flyingkitty67says...They only picked these people to create drama, and it worked.
Fletchsays...http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
PostMortemsays...Hi Choggie,
I disagree with your comment on one major point. Beyond that I'm going to make a couple of comments that, if I read the deeper meaning to your statement correctly, we may actually agree on.
First,
A jew is like a black man, you can't scrub the jewish off him.....an Atheist, has developed and adopted a system of beliefs, just like a Christian, which is NOT like a Jew
Jewish is not a race. This is a common misconception. The misconception was compounded in the US by a SCOTUS ruling in the 80's. The ruling stated the Jewish can be considered a race for purposes of anti-discrimination laws. Many Jews were very upset by this because they felt that it misrepresented what a Jew was.
(Watch me tip-toe around this mine field.... Just to be clear I think the SCOTUS decision was good if it prevents discrimination)
Not to belabor the point, but because it is such a commonly held belief that Jewish is a race I want to make sure I'm clear. Jews come from many different places. There are Arab Jews, Russian Jews, African Jews. They are not all descendants of the ethnic group that most people commonly associate with Jews (Ashkenazim), nor are they recent converts.
Here is a picture of a married Jewish couple:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/6b/200px-Ashk_mizrahi_couple.jpg
He is a Ashkenazim Jew (The group we most associate with Jews) and she is a Mizrahi Jew.
What do you think, same race? Same culture/religion absolutely, same race I don't think so.
I hope I've shown that a Jew is like an atheist or Christian.
I think however that your argument does have merit. You would have been on a more solid foundation if you had used my comparison to women as your challenge of my statement. Women definitely can't "scrub" it off. If I read your opinion correctly (and please tell me if I'm not) you feel that there are different degrees of bigotry/discrimination and that ridicule on the grounds of race is worse than on the grounds of ideas or beliefs. I'm going to assume that you also feel that bigotry based on sex is also worse than basing it on ideas or beliefs.
Well I agree! I think basing bigotry on something that someone can't change is worse that basing it on something they can change/hide.
Allow me to give you an example:
I live in Japan and have faced numerous instances of racism and bigotry. One of the worst and most recent was when I was looking for a new apartment. The vast majority of apartment owners (over 90 percent, and this is in Tokyo, much worse in smaller areas) would not rent to me because I was not Japanese. I can't hide that I'm not Japanese, it's as clear as the white skin on my face. However if they were going to discriminate on the grounds that I was an atheist, well that would be easy enough to hide. I wouldn't be happy about it, but I could do it if necessary.
So in short; Yes I think you have a valid point. Not all discrimination or bigotry is equal.
However in my defense, it was never my intention to suggest that bigotry towards atheists is equal to bigotry towards Jews or women. (I realize now that it could come across that way but it really wasn't my intention). I do happen to believe that had the same things been said about Jews it would have been worse. Basically because of the tragic history of the Jews and the resurgence of anti-Jewish feeling around the world. I do think that they are in a much more precarious position in the world than atheist are.
There are many different things you couldn't say on television without being challenged in the strongest terms. The reason I posted the comment about replacing the word atheist with the word Jew or woman was just to draw attention to the fact that I found it hypocritical that it seems OK to say whatever outrageous things you'd like about atheists, but when it comes to many other groups pundits would think long and hard about saying the same things. I never meant to put the overall situation of atheists on equal footing with Jews or women.
As well please don't think that I feel atheists or atheism is a sacred cow. I would have had very little problem with the pundits attacking the ideas/beliefs of atheism or atheists. That's fair game, but that was not what they were doing. They were obviously completely uniformed and were taking wild swings at the big bad bogey man that they believe atheism to be. Not once in their ranting did I hear a reasonable criticism or debating point, it was all just broad generalizations, hence why I felt it was bigotry.
I hope this rather obscenely long post clears things up.
PostMortem.
Fletchsays...Oh, PostMortem... no, no, no...
Choggie only visits this plane of existence when the planets are aligned just so. And even then, he's not fully "here". You are trying to reply to him about 45 hours since his last post. Do you realize just how far the moon travels in that amount of time, not to mention Venus and, of course, Pluto? Hell, where choggie is from, Pluto is still a planet! Thousands of years ago, sages prophesied the end of the world would be at hand when "Chaos and Madness know each unto the other as brother and brother". Just me, and just a theory, but I think that means the world will end when choggie and westy engage each other in meaningful conversation. Don't invite doom upon us all by seeking one or the others' input! Both of them in the same thread is to flirt with disaster and total annihilation!
Anyway... just a theory. Still workin' on it.
choggiesays...goodone fletch, but returning to ruminate often, and have lookededed forward to a response, to the indictment it must have seemed,.... all clear...the gyst??, That the very idea seems absolutely absurd , that anything that would eliminate the supernatural from the realm of reason, could be considered as a possibility....
Atheist...is a title. It describes a symbolic entity for some, or a way of seeking for others-a clan, a group, an identification with a, perception-confined hu-man.
Jew-is a title, a bloodline, a race, a people, or a bunch of bitter wankers who either, control the world, or have been suffered too long, for any one to tolerate, I don't care what they evoke for anyone, I appreciate their contributions to my reality, just like every race, creed, or association has......(funny how politics and religion are a way to get into the collective pants of the repressed.......0
I hate Atheists.
This typed sentence has no doubt, raised the hackles of some of the more frustrated of their ilk. (fact is, it's a group of words, typed in English, and thrown like chum, from an imaginary dingy) It has no bearing on the "I"
Though the fact is such, that whatever your beliefs or understandings are, they can be thrown out the window when seeing a fellow traveler in the eyes that need what we all do....more freekin' soap!!!!!
hey fletch, plutos' a cartoon dog you imbecile....
symbols have been the death of many a civilization....most from those whose records are miles deep beneath us.......
bluecliffsays...ah... symbols.
jwraysays...Their panelists are all idiots, all christian or jewish zealots, and all bigots.
An ACLU lawyer would have been a great choice for one position on the panel.
They don't even mention the fact that the pledge and the currency didn't contain the word God until McCarthyism of the 1950s. I wrote a research paper about McCarthyism. It's the closest this country has ever come to the brink of fascism.
Zonbiesays...Yeah, the blonde* bitch at the end, sorry but, that really pisses me off...so a "debate" about Atheists degenerates into an ill researched, off hand, generalised inaccurate statement about the whole of fucking Europe...nice.
What a bigoted "debate" and yes, replace "Atheist" with another minority, and the complaints to CNN would fly!
America is not a "christian" country, its prominent faith of its people is Christian, but its founding are...well yes, this has been extensively covered by other peoples comments here
such a stupid inflamatory statement, and to be fair, a good title this video has, I am not surprise at the content, just very very disappointed.
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