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If only we could've advanced technologically without it being mainly for the purpose of having some advantage over our perceived enemies.
Awesome video.

Great video. Sadly, those who need to learn the message will watch, but not learn. And Those of us enlightened enough to already understand the message, need not watch.

*fear, *religion, *history and *books for all the intertextual references.

Also, beautifully *poetic.

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@A10anis

uhh...this is kind of like a story that needs to be told again and again until it is within the very fabric of our society, as religion is. but it isn't right now. this is still almost a fringe viewpoint.

I would add though that in this battle between rationality and superstition lies common ground - the simple understanding that a most religious people, deep down, find religion partly because of some sense of purpose. and that should be honored. We self-called "rational" beings often come off as condescending...and in our young and petty consciousness, our own understanding of the universe and the cosmos is hardly advanced. we are hardly "higher intelligence". and if we want other people to get over themselves, we should probably do the same.

Great sift, eric.

Fear is the mind killer.

>> ^criticalthud:

@A10anis
uhh...this is kind of like a story that needs to be told again and again until it is within the very fabric of our society, as religion is. but it isn't right now. this is still almost a fringe viewpoint.
I would add though that in this battle between rationality and superstition lies common ground - the simple understanding that a most religious people, deep down, find religion partly because of some sense of purpose. and that should be honored. We self-called "rational" beings often come off as condescending...and in our young and petty consciousness, our own understanding of the universe and the cosmos is hardly advanced. we are hardly "higher intelligence". and if we want other people to get over themselves, we should probably do the same.


Meaning no disrespect, but could you possibly articulate your points in a way thet people who speak english would understand. If you are not english speaking, then forgive me, i'm sure you meant well.

imagine the double rainbow!!

he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.

>> ^A10anis:

>> ^criticalthud:
@A10anis
uhh...this is kind of like a story that needs to be told again and again until it is within the very fabric of our society, as religion is. but it isn't right now. this is still almost a fringe viewpoint.
I would add though that in this battle between rationality and superstition lies common ground - the simple understanding that a most religious people, deep down, find religion partly because of some sense of purpose. and that should be honored. We self-called "rational" beings often come off as condescending...and in our young and petty consciousness, our own understanding of the universe and the cosmos is hardly advanced. we are hardly "higher intelligence". and if we want other people to get over themselves, we should probably do the same.

Meaning no disrespect, but could you possibly articulate your points in a way thet people who speak english would understand. If you are not english speaking, then forgive me, i'm sure you meant well.


happily!
yes, if i were a religious sort and I saw this video, I could come away with the feeling that I am being labeled as scared, primitive, or dumb. My reaction would probably be to stick to my guns with even more zest.
I think a better approach would be to focus on what we have in common - that is, a sense of purpose to do good in this world...and go from there.
While fear and the endless search for security are certainly psychological factors contributing to the appeal of organized religion, there are many positives to dwell on instead. You get more flies with honey.

and rather than debate whether there is a god or no god, or the stupidity therein, I think it is about time to start contemplating whether we can even conceive of what "god" is or could be. We seem to be stuck upon the idea that god is a "being", whereas the world and universe around us seems to suggest that we are surrounded by a complex collective planetary intelligence and interdependency that we are barely even skimming the surface of.

>> ^criticalthud:

>> ^A10anis:
>> ^criticalthud:
@A10anis
uhh...this is kind of like a story that needs to be told again and again until it is within the very fabric of our society, as religion is. but it isn't right now. this is still almost a fringe viewpoint.
I would add though that in this battle between rationality and superstition lies common ground - the simple understanding that a most religious people, deep down, find religion partly because of some sense of purpose. and that should be honored. We self-called "rational" beings often come off as condescending...and in our young and petty consciousness, our own understanding of the universe and the cosmos is hardly advanced. we are hardly "higher intelligence". and if we want other people to get over themselves, we should probably do the same.

Meaning no disrespect, but could you possibly articulate your points in a way thet people who speak english would understand. If you are not english speaking, then forgive me, i'm sure you meant well.

happily!
yes, if i were a religious sort and I saw this video, I could come away with the feeling that I am being labeled as scared, primitive, or dumb. My reaction would probably be to stick to my guns with even more zest.
I think a better approach would be to focus on what we have in common - that is, a sense of purpose to do good in this world...and go from there.
While fear and the endless search for security are certainly psychological factors contributing to the appeal of organized religion, there are many positives to dwell on instead. You get more flies with honey.
and rather than debate whether there is a god or no god, or the stupidity therein, I think it is about time to start contemplating whether we can even conceive of what "god" is or could be. We seem to be stuck upon the idea that god is a "being", whereas the world and universe around us seems to suggest that we are surrounded by a complex collective planetary intelligence and interdependency that we are barely even skimming the surface of.


Shush. You are a pseudo intellectual.

honestly, I was a bitter ex-catholic for a long time. and I looked down my nose at so many people. If I had met myself when I was a catholic, there would have been no impetus to see any differently or change in any way.
At some point I realized I was being just as judgmental as they were, and when i changed, they changed.

this is in no way accusatory, just a self-realization. But I see that shit happening around me all the time, and it doesn't get us anywhere.
vulnerability, empathy, consideration, and a little patience.

@A10anis

curious yes, intellectual no.

Inception soundtrack?

EDIT: Also that was nice...but we'd best hurry up if we're gonna save humanity...conservative estimates has us destroying ourselves in 100 years time.

^Right composer, wrong score. The first track is from Hans Zimmer's score for 'The Thin Red Line'. The second (vi IV I iii/vii) is from John Murphy's score for 'Sunshine'.

Meh. Not feeling it, despite the great music. I found the explanation to be over-simplified and to rely too much on fear of the unknown as a causative factor not only in history but for why religion exists in the world of today.

Also, the vid didn't make a very persuasive case for how religion is preventing us from doing all those great things the video assures us of being capable of at the end. The fact is that you could get rid of all religions tomorrow and people would still be killing each other and ignoring each others' suffering for a host of other reasons (nationalism, ethnic conflict, greed, etc.). Religion is not what is holding us back; our own human nature is. For many people (I noticed for example Ghandi in the clips of the great people shown) it is in fact religion that helps them to overcome our natural inclinations towards selfishness, greed, and self-preservation and live more humanely.

Won't downvote, but can't bring myself to upvote either.

yeah, kinda phoney.

So, let me get this straight, because our primitive ancestors were afraid of the unknown, they came up with religion -a system of beliefs and practices based on mythical stories of the past about how we got here (creation) and prophetic visions about where we are going in the future depending on what we do in the present (doing X will lead to paradise, not doing X will lead to endless misery). Now that we have technology and scientifically enlightened minds, we should do away religion and base our knowledge on facts and evidence...

and this argument is presented to us by way of a mythical story of the past which presents no facts or evidence for many of its major claims -"we were confused when we opened our eyes", "we got scared," "we held our chests high and we feared no enemies, but we entered into a world of mystery", etc. (On what basis can we claim to know anything about the thoughts/feelings/motivations of primitive humans?) Then we get a prophetic vision of the future intended to change our behavior in the present -change and we can live in peace with nature and everyone else, have our lives fulfilled, and "connect to the true wonder of the universe." However, if we don't change, we're doomed to a future of suffering, terror, and violence.

So- doing X will lead to paradise, not doing X will lead to endless misery. And the problem with religion is...our "X" is true and theirs isn't. And, though we lack facts or evidence to support crucial elements of our belief that X is true, we can have faith that it is so because...

uh-oh

Wow, humanism indoctrination video. I hope everyone can see through the brainwashing. And people say humanism isn't a religion..

I think this video is actually risky because it is such painfully obvious propaganda. It might actually serve to wake people up to the humanist agenda.

All I have to say is just wait until the one world government comes, then the true meaning of "we got scared" will come to light.

There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.



>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.

So...doing X will lead to paradise, not doing X will lead to endless misery?

For curiosity's sake, why shouldn't I ask Jesus to take control of my life if I'm not ready (i.e. what would be the negative consequence of doing so)?

>> ^shinyblurry:

There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.

I find this video a little blasé.
My $.02 on this subject is that we are just at one step in the long process of evolution. Once we can answer the first two questions that came to mind when we hit this evolutionary stage "Who am I? And why am I here?" we can jump into the next evolutionary stage. I am confident that there are many remaining steps in evolution, and just like monkeys who have no concept of planets, we have no concept of anything beyond our observable universe - and by that, I don't mean god. It would probably take a physiological change first, as I am sure that the answer to the age-old question is not something we can observe, but something we can deduct.

Only arrogance would dictate that we have reached our evolutionary apex as intelligent beings or that we are created in the likeness of a supreme being.

FYI,
Quoting a religious book is never a good thing in a hypothetical argument because of two things:
1) People who don't believe in religion will never take your book for a fact, but rather as a weakness.
2) People who believe in religious books are already in violent agreement with you, and you don't need to convince them any more.


>> ^shinyblurry:

There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.

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The reason I said that is because God requires a total commitment. God is looking for people who will worship Him in Spirit and in truth. So, if you're half-hearted about it that isn't going to get you anywhere. God will provide the evidence that He is there, but you have to be willing to give your life to God first.

Hebrews 11:6

And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

>> ^dr_izzybizzy:
So...doing X will lead to paradise, not doing X will lead to endless misery?
For curiosity's sake, why shouldn't I ask Jesus to take control of my life if I'm not ready (i.e. what would be the negative consequence of doing so)?
>> ^shinyblurry:
There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.

Oh give me a fucking break.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Wow, humanism indoctrination video. I hope everyone can see through the brainwashing. And people say humanism isn't a religion..
I think this video is actually risky because it is such painfully obvious propaganda. It might actually serve to wake people up to the humanist agenda.
All I have to say is just wait until the one world government comes, then the true meaning of "we got scared" will come to light.

>> ^shinyblurry:

There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.



Whoever wishes for eternal life is an idiot. After your first thousand years you'll be bored, and after ten thousand it'll be torture.

This is what God said about Heaven:

1 Corinthians 2:9

But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”—

We cannot conceive of how wonderful it will really be with our limited imaginations. The only things we have to go on about this are earthly things, and if it were like that, yes it would quickly become torture. That's because everything here is perishing and cannot satisfy us in an eternal sense. The things of Heaven will be eternally satisfying, not to mention that God will be there with us. Eternal life with God is the ultimate way of living there is, and it will never get old, if anything, it's an upward curve.

>> ^mentality:
>> ^shinyblurry:
There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.


Whoever wishes for eternal life is an idiot. After your first thousand years you'll be bored, and after ten thousand it'll be torture.

No, that's not what God said. That's one guy quoting another guy about what he thinks a place where no man has seen or heard of is supposedly like. Sounds even less credible than 72 virgins. And while you're at it, I have some property to sell you. I haven't seen it, but a friend of a friend of mine once said it was awesome.

>> ^shinyblurry:

This is what God said about Heaven:
1 Corinthians 2:9
But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”—
We cannot conceive of how wonderful it will really be with our limited imaginations. The only things we have to go on about this are earthly things, and it were like that, yes it would be torture. That's because everything here is perishing and cannot satisfy us in an eternal sense. The things of Heaven will be eternally satisfying, not to mention that God will be there with us. Eternal life with God is the ultimate way of living there is, and it will never get old, if anything, it could only get better.
>> ^mentality:
>> ^shinyblurry:
There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.


Whoever wishes for eternal life is an idiot. After your first thousand years you'll be bored, and after ten thousand it'll be torture.

It seems to me that one of the basic tenets of orthodox Christianity is the belief that humans are incapable of being totally committed to the service of God, of worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth, or even of having faith at all prior to their regeneration and new life in Christ. To suggest that it is necessary (and therefore possible) for us to make a total submission of our will to the will of God before we invite Christ to enter our life and take over is to put the cart before the horse, for the very reason we need Christ to "take over" our lives is the fact that we are incapable of obedience (willing submission) on our own. If we could do it before receiving divine assistance, we could do it apart from divine assistance, which renders Christ unnecessary, which no orthodox Christian would ever affirm. In fact, we cannot even be willing to submit (which, to be sure, is different from willing submission) prior to the reception of grace. To think otherwise is to fall into the heretical trap of Pelagianism, which has been condemned among orthodox Christians since the 4th century.

And so, Augustine argues that if, as the Bible says, God creates in the believer a new heart to replace their heart of stone, then we cannot assume "without absurdity" that "there previously existed in any man the merit of a good will, to entitle him to the removal of his stony heart, when all the while this very heart of stone signifies nothing else than a will of the hardest kind and such as is absolutely inflexible against God. For where a good will precedes, there is, of course, no longer a heart of stone."

...which is why Anselm prays "Teach me to seek you, and reveal yourself to me, when I seek you, for I cannot seek you, except you teach me, nor find you, except you reveal yourself."

...and Aquinas reasons "a man cannot turn to God except through God turning him to himself."

...and Luther writes a whole treatise on "The Bondage of the Will"

And, to be sure, they all consider themselves to be drawing logical conclusions from what they read in the Bible, quoting passages like:
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him" (John 6:44)
"You did not choose me, I chose you" (John 15:16)
"Without me you can do nothing" (John 15:5)
"Turn thou us unto thee, O Lord, and we shall be turned." (Lamentations 5:8)
"By grace you have been saved, through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God--not because of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)


So, in sum, orthodox Christians have, for at least 1500 years or so, agreed that there is nothing humans can do on their own to prepare themselves (i.e. be worthy of) the reception of grace(i.e. to have a new life in Christ in which he "takes over") -which is precisely why Christians have no reason to boast. To say we must do something first, whether it be "to believe" or "have faith" or "be willing to obey," before we can receive grace (a life in Christ) is to treat grace as a reward, which no orthodox Christian would maintain. I'm sorry to say, what you have asked of us is not only impossible, it appears to be unchristian (which, to be fair, I'm sure was not your intention).

I applaud your desire to share your faith. I encourage you to learn more about it.


>> ^shinyblurry:

The reason I said that is because God requires a total commitment. God is looking for people who will worship Him in Spirit and in truth. So, if you're half-hearted about it that isn't going to get you anywhere. God will provide the evidence that He is there, but you have to be willing to give your life to God first.
Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
>> ^dr_izzybizzy:
So...doing X will lead to paradise, not doing X will lead to endless misery?
For curiosity's sake, why shouldn't I ask Jesus to take control of my life if I'm not ready (i.e. what would be the negative consequence of doing so)?
>> ^shinyblurry:
There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.

That's a most excellent answer and I agree with every word of it. Faith is a gift from God, and even the act of turning towards Christ is by the work of the Holy Spirit. I was urged by the Spirit to say what I did, so I assumed it was for a reason. I feel God blessed it, and that it was His will. You're right that it would be impossible for someone give their lives in totality without being reborn, however, I put that out there that that is what God wants, and even the intention of doing it is useful to God. He could use that and support it and make sure it happens. People do drop to their knees and give their lives to God every day, and whether it is from going to church or seeing a message like mine, whatever it is, I know it is all by the grace of the Spirit. So we're in full agreement, which is odd if you're not a Christian. How did that happen?

>> ^dr_izzybizzy:
It seems to me that one of the basic tenets of orthodox Christianity is the belief that humans are incapable of being totally committed to the service of God, of worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth, or even of having faith at all prior to their regeneration and new life in Christ. To suggest that it is necessary (and therefore possible) for us to make a total submission of our will to the will of God before we invite Christ to enter our life and take over is to put the cart before the horse, for the very reason we need Christ to "take over" our lives is the fact that we are incapable of obedience (willing submission) on our own. If we could do it before receiving divine assistance, we could do it apart from divine assistance, which renders Christ unnecessary, which no orthodox Christian would ever affirm. In fact, we cannot even be willing to submit (which, to be sure, is different from willing submission) prior to the reception of grace. To think otherwise is to fall into the heretical trap of Pelagianism, which has been condemned among orthodox Christians since the 4th century.
And so, Augustine argues that if, as the Bible says, God creates in the believer a new heart to replace their heart of stone, then we cannot assume "without absurdity" that "there previously existed in any man the merit of a good will, to entitle him to the removal of his stony heart, when all the while this very heart of stone signifies nothing else than a will of the hardest kind and such as is absolutely inflexible against God. For where a good will precedes, there is, of course, no longer a heart of stone."
...which is why Anselm prays "Teach me to seek you, and reveal yourself to me, when I seek you, for I cannot seek you, except you teach me, nor find you, except you reveal yourself."
...and Aquinas reasons "a man cannot turn to God except through God turning him to himself."
...and Luther writes a whole treatise on "The Bondage of the Will"
And, to be sure, they all consider themselves to be drawing logical conclusions from what they read in the Bible, quoting passages like:
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him" (John 6:44)
"You did not choose me, I chose you" (John 15:16)
"Without me you can do nothing" (John 15:5)
"Turn thou us unto thee, O Lord, and we shall be turned." (Lamentations 5:8)
"By grace you have been saved, through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God--not because of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)
So, in sum, orthodox Christians have, for at least 1500 years or so, agreed that there is nothing humans can do on their own to prepare themselves (i.e. be worthy of) the reception of grace(i.e. to have a new life in Christ in which he "takes over") -which is precisely why Christians have no reason to boast. To say we must do something first, whether it be "to believe" or "have faith" or "be willing to obey," before we can receive grace (a life in Christ) is to treat grace as a reward, which no orthodox Christian would maintain. I'm sorry to say, what you have asked of us is not only impossible, it appears to be unchristian (which, to be fair, I'm sure was not your intention).
I applaud your desire to share your faith. I encourage you to learn more about it.
>> ^shinyblurry:
The reason I said that is because God requires a total commitment. God is looking for people who will worship Him in Spirit and in truth. So, if you're half-hearted about it that isn't going to get you anywhere. God will provide the evidence that He is there, but you have to be willing to give your life to God first.
Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
>> ^dr_izzybizzy:
So...doing X will lead to paradise, not doing X will lead to endless misery?
For curiosity's sake, why shouldn't I ask Jesus to take control of my life if I'm not ready (i.e. what would be the negative consequence of doing so)?
>> ^shinyblurry:
There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.

No qualms with your first premise, but the second seems a bit too simplistic. If we have learned anything from history, it would seem as though we could never assume that people who believe in religious books are always in violent agreement with one another. On the contrary, the history of western civilization is filled with stories of the violent disagreements between people who believe in religious books (hence the depictions in the video).

Shared belief in a religious book does not imply shared belief about the book's meaning, which means there can still be contexts in which quoting the book can be appropriate in rational argumentation intended to convince others (for whom the content of the book is considered meaningful)of this or that conclusion. [e.g. my overly long comment above]

>> ^MonkeySpank:

FYI,
Quoting a religious book is never a good thing in a hypothetical argument because of two things:
1) People who don't believe in religion will never take your book for a fact, but rather as a weakness.
2) People who believe in religious books are already in violent agreement with you, and you don't need to convince them any more.

>> ^shinyblurry:
There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Wow, humanism indoctrination video. I hope everyone can see through the brainwashing. And people say humanism isn't a religion..
I think this video is actually risky because it is such painfully obvious propaganda. It might actually serve to wake people up to the humanist agenda.
All I have to say is just wait until the one world government comes, then the true meaning of "we got scared" will come to light.


You're ignorant, greedy and careless. You'll consume and devour your way through 80 years worth of resources, using more than you should, caring less than you should, making this planet a slightly worse place to live. And there's enough of you that, together, you'll make this planet an unbearable place to live in your desperation to get as many little pieces of paper with "£20" written on it as you can before you die.

How is it humanist propoganda? How is it brainwashing? Provide at least a cursory attempt to qualify your statements. People do not get indoctrinated to believe that life is beautiful and needs no purpose. They realise it for yourself. I consider it an evolutionary step achieved through enough introspection and education. Hopefully, one day, consumers like you will catch up with us and we'll have enough time left on earth to have some fun with it.

I agree with your statement, and therefore, I retract my second clause. You make a good point.
Good day to you sir!

>> ^dr_izzybizzy:

No qualms with your first premise, but the second seems a bit too simplistic. If we have learned anything from history, it would seem as though we could never assume that people who believe in religious books are always in violent agreement with one another. On the contrary, the history of western civilization is filled with stories of the violent disagreements between people who believe in religious books (hence the depictions in the video).
Shared belief in a religious book does not imply shared belief about the book's meaning, which means there can still be contexts in which quoting the book can be appropriate in rational argumentation intended to convince others (for whom the content of the book is considered meaningful)of this or that conclusion. [e.g. my overly long comment above]
>> ^MonkeySpank:
FYI,
Quoting a religious book is never a good thing in a hypothetical argument because of two things:
1) People who don't believe in religion will never take your book for a fact, but rather as a weakness.
2) People who believe in religious books are already in violent agreement with you, and you don't need to convince them any more.

>> ^shinyblurry:
There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.

>> ^shinyblurry:

There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.



I hope that one day I get to send you to your Christ.

http://www.americanhumanist.org/who_we_are/about_humanism/Humanist_Manifesto_III

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Wow, humanism indoctrination video. I hope everyone can see through the brainwashing. And people say humanism isn't a religion..
I think this video is actually risky because it is such painfully obvious propaganda. It might actually serve to wake people up to the humanist agenda.
All I have to say is just wait until the one world government comes, then the true meaning of "we got scared" will come to light.

You're ignorant, greedy and careless. You'll consume and devour your way through 80 years worth of resources, using more than you should, caring less than you should, making this planet a slightly worse place to live. And there's enough of you that, together, you'll make this planet an unbearable place to live in your desperation to get as many little pieces of paper with "£20" written on it as you can before you die.
How is it humanist propoganda? How is it brainwashing? Provide at least a cursory attempt to qualify your statements. People do not get indoctrinated to believe that life is beautiful and needs no purpose. They realise it for yourself. I consider it an evolutionary step achieved through enough introspection and education. Hopefully, one day, consumers like you will catch up with us and we'll have enough time left on earth to have some fun with it.

The Lord rebuke you Satan.

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^shinyblurry:
There is only one way to eternal life, and that is through Jesus Christ. If you want to know Him, find a quiet place and pray that He enter your life, and let Him take it over. Don't make the request unless you are willing to turn yourself, and your life completely over to God. God bless.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
>> ^vaire2ube:
imagine the double rainbow!!
he says we should accept our mortality, but stopping aging and melding minds with technology to live forever is kinda my hope. I enjoy watching this all unfold and id like to continue to.


I hope that one day I get to send you to your Christ.