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Amen.

If you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing!

>> ^hpqp:

If you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing!


rofl

>> ^hpqp:

If you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing!


Awesome quote. I found the t-shirt on cafe press. Every damn thing's on cafe press if you look hard enough.

>> ^shuac:

>> ^hpqp:
If you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing!

Awesome quote. I found the t-shirt on cafe press.
http://www.cafepress.com/milknprozac/7866078
Every damn thing's on cafe press if you look hard enough.

but they don't have condoms with that phrase

that point #4 is somewhat similar to the ideals of Necro-Pedo-Zoo-philiacs

@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."

bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."
bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.


Lilith isn't in the Bible.

>> ^MaxWilder:

>> ^xxovercastxx:
@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."
bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.

Lilith isn't in the Bible.


Not anymore, no. Either way, Eve was still #2.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

>> ^MaxWilder:
>> ^xxovercastxx:
@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."
bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.

Lilith isn't in the Bible.

Not anymore, no. Either way, Eve was still #2.


Just sayin', this guy's coming from the super-Christian perspective: If ain't in the Bible, it didn't happen.

But I also find the Lilith mythology to be very interesting.

>> ^MaxWilder:

>> ^xxovercastxx:
>> ^MaxWilder:
>> ^xxovercastxx:
@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."
bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.

Lilith isn't in the Bible.

Not anymore, no. Either way, Eve was still #2.

Just sayin', this guy's coming from the super-Christian perspective: If ain't in the Bible, it didn't happen.
But I also find the Lilith mythology to be very interesting.


He's also ridiculing those super-Christians, so I think referring to Eve as the second woman would be rather appropriate.

As a non-christian, I must say this works even better for me. Since I'm going to hell anyway, I can sin as much as I want to. As a bonus, I don't have to ask for forgiveness. As for Christians praying the lord will have mercy on my soul - that's awfully nice of you, but you really don't have to. At worst, not praying for me is some sort of sin you'll be forgiven for anyway.

Complete misrepresentation and outright fabrication. You can't be a Christian and live like a heathen.

21 Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?"
23 And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."

Lilith was never in scripture and was written about over 1000 years after genesis. It was written as Jewish folklore, and developed mostly in the middle ages. Today it is particularly embraced by pagans, gnostics and radical femenists. It's yet another lie, out of millions, that tries to derail the Creation story and that people buy into without doing any research. There is no lilith conspiracy..she never existed.

>> ^xxovercastxx:
@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."
bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Lilith was never in scripture and was written about over 1000 years after genesis. It was written as Jewish folklore, and developed mostly in the middle ages. Today it is particularly embraced by pagans, gnostics and radical femenists. It's yet another lie, out of millions, that tries to derail the Creation story and that people buy into without doing any research. There is no lilith conspiracy..she never existed.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."
bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.



Bzzt! No, I'm sorry. The answer was "It's a Long Way to Tipperary." So close! Thanks so much for being on our show!

Johnny, why don't you tell him what the parting gift is?

See the story of Lillith here:
as researched be me.

http://religion.videosift.com/talk/Queen-of-Succubus-Eve-wasn-t-the-first

>> ^MaxWilder:

>> ^xxovercastxx:
@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."
bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.

Lilith isn't in the Bible.

Complete misrepresentation and outright fabrication. You can't be a Christian and live like a heathen.


Certainly the Bible can support a view that works are important (a man must work out his salvation, faith without works is dead, the fact that a good chunk of the Bible is telling you what to do and not do is kind of a hint, etc...). But it's not that clear cut, and the video is certainly not outright fabrication. Many Christians believe works are eclipsed by faith, and that acceptance of Christ is the only condition for salvation. And this view is not without Biblical support, example:

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8


I know many Christians that, while they would take offense to the phrasing in this video, would technically have to agree - your salvation is a gift from God, and as long as you accept His grace, you're in (regardless of how you behave).

I think their counter to this video would run something like this: "Yes, you could repeatedly sin and repent and get into heaven. And you don't necessarily need to do good works to get in either. However, if you've really received Christ, you would not want to sin and you would want to do good works. If you are really repenting, you wouldn't want to repeat the sin. Thus if you are behaving this way, you should question whether you've truly accepted Christ (because you probably haven't)."

i looked in a mirror and said "shinyblurry" three times! what have i done!

Well that's odd. You see, just 3 nights ago, God spoke to me in a dream and told me that, while it's true that her first appearance in writing was around 500AD, her story is nevertheless legit. She was Adam's first wife, made from the same earth as Adam.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Lilith was never in scripture and was written about over 1000 years after genesis. It was written as Jewish folklore, and developed mostly in the middle ages. Today it is particularly embraced by pagans, gnostics and radical femenists. It's yet another lie, out of millions, that tries to derail the Creation story and that people buy into without doing any research. There is no lilith conspiracy..she never existed.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."
bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Lilith was never in scripture and was written about over 1000 years after genesis. It was written as Jewish folklore, and developed mostly in the middle ages. Today it is particularly embraced by pagans, gnostics and radical femenists. It's yet another lie, out of millions, that tries to derail the Creation story and that people buy into without doing any research. There is no lilith conspiracy..she never existed.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."
bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.



incorrect.

Correct.

Lilith mentions

c.40-10BC Dead Sea Scrolls - Songs for a Sage (4Q510-511)
c.500 Gemara of the Talmud
c.800 The Alphabet of Ben-Sira
c.900 Midrash Abkir
c.1260 Treatise on the Left Emanation, Spain
c.1280 Zohar, Spain.

Genesis was written around 1400 years before any of these.

>> ^enoch:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Lilith was never in scripture and was written about over 1000 years after genesis. It was written as Jewish folklore, and developed mostly in the middle ages. Today it is particularly embraced by pagans, gnostics and radical femenists. It's yet another lie, out of millions, that tries to derail the Creation story and that people buy into without doing any research. There is no lilith conspiracy..she never existed.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."
bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.


incorrect.

believe whatever you wish to believe.i have no urge to educate you on anything concerning religious history.
what i WILL suggest is look up the origins of the name.
then look up the story.
then look up the region the story originated from.
notice anything?



i thought so.
class dismissed.

So wait... it was first mentioned BC but you can just dismiss that as Jewish folklore? But not everything that came after that? Certainly revelations at least should be thrown out by this logic.

Rad.>> ^hpqp:

If you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing!

>> ^shinyblurry:

Lilith was never in scripture and was written about over 1000 years after genesis. It was written as Jewish folklore, and developed mostly in the middle ages. Today it is particularly embraced by pagans, gnostics and radical femenists. It's yet another lie, out of millions, that tries to derail the Creation story and that people buy into without doing any research. There is no lilith conspiracy..she never existed.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."
bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.



The very concept of Pagans and Agnostics including a story, altered or otherwise, from a book collaboratively written by groups of Judo-Christians in their religious beliefs is truly laughable. That's before even considering the fact that both spiritual ideologies existed prior to Abrahamic religion. Furthermore, your "Lilith was never in scripture and was written about over 1000 years after genesis." statement is completely invalid. A figure pulled from your metaphorical nether-regions, if you will. Your later complaint of "people buy into without doing any research" truly cements your spot on my "Wall of Hypocritical Nonsense."

I could go into further detail about your closing comment "It's yet another lie, out of millions, that tries to derail the Creation story. There is no lilith conspiracy..she never existed" in regards to your views about the integrity of a tale claiming all of humanity is descendent from two humans who sprung up, fully formed, out of the earth. Instead, however, I think I'll let your previous misinformation speak for itself.

>> ^Murgy:

>> ^shinyblurry:
Lilith was never in scripture and was written about over 1000 years after genesis. It was written as Jewish folklore, and developed mostly in the middle ages. Today it is particularly embraced by pagans, gnostics and radical femenists. It's yet another lie, out of millions, that tries to derail the Creation story and that people buy into without doing any research. There is no lilith conspiracy..she never existed.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
@0:34 "Ever since the earth's first woman..."
bzzt! Eve was the earth's second woman.


The very concept of Pagans and Agnostics including a story, altered or otherwise, from a book collaboratively written by groups of Judo-Christians in their religious beliefs is truly laughable. That's before even considering the fact that both spiritual ideologies existed prior to Abrahamic religion. Furthermore, your "Lilith was never in scripture and was written about over 1000 years after genesis." statement is completely invalid. A figure pulled from your metaphorical nether-regions, if you will. Your later complaint of "people buy into without doing any research" truly cements your spot on my "Wall of Hypocritical Nonsense."
I could go into further detail about your closing comment "It's yet another lie, out of millions, that tries to derail the Creation story. There is no lilith conspiracy..she never existed" in regards to your views about the integrity of a tale claiming all of humanity is descendent from two humans who sprung up, fully formed, out of the earth. Instead, however, I think I'll let your previous misinformation speak for itself.


A fallacious argument from incredulity does not provide a refutation of anything I've said; indeed, what I've said is well supported:

"In Jewish folklore, from the 8th–10th centuries Alphabet of Ben Sira onwards, Lilith becomes Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time and from the same earth as Adam. This contrasts with Eve, who was created from one of Adam's ribs. The legend was greatly developed during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadic midrashim, the Zohar and Jewish mysticism.[3] In the 13th Century writings of Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob ha-Cohen, for example, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael.[4] The resulting Lilith legend is still commonly used as source material in modern Western culture, literature, occultism, fantasy, and horror."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

With all your scoffing you are alluding to an intimate knowledge of the subject, certainly enough to call my arguments "laughable" and "Hypocritical Nonsense". So I'm all ears to hear the research you have uncovered with disproves my argument so succinctly.