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Boy Won't Say Pledge of Allegiance Until Gays Can Marry

Boy Won't Say Pledge of Allegiance Until Gays Can Marry

wolfiends says...

At what point does the legislation proposed interfere with the rights of others? If it did, then obviously there would be a problem. However, being morally offended does not constitute a legitimate objection in regards to homosexuality. It does not harm others, including those opposed to it, and reports that state otherwise have countless times been shown to be done with an agenda to simply smear the issue. There will be no fair, equal human rights until subjective opinion based on faith is taken out of the public policy discussion.

Boy Won't Say Pledge of Allegiance Until Gays Can Marry

wolfiends says...

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Are you arguing with this boy's opinions, or as you assumed, the opinions of others that propose equal rights for all citizens, including those not belonging to a Religious belief or doctrine? Or arguing that the fact he has these opinions or any opinion for that matter, is somehow misguided because he is ten?

Being apprehensive about dinner table values is one thing, especially when they are backed up with generalities. However, Gay rights are modern day civil rights. To deny them isn't a responsible, respectful protection of those "morally opposed to homosexuality," but instead a willful denial to respect the rights of others protected by the Constitution. Religion does not have a stranglehold on the meaning of Marriage, and the government should recognize a meaning that applies to all citizens, not just those part of an exclusive ideology. Your attacks on the validity of using the PoA as a place to express discontent are albeit right because, as you already said, the arguments for liberty and justice can be used just as easily by any opposition. But fuck semantics, those critiques don't change the validity of the boys opposition.

The hardest part of reading your posts isn't that you say things that are wrong, but snide. To have a lot of adult friends, "let alone gay ones," isn't nearly as disconcerting a thought as your clear assumption that having "gay ones" is somehow dangerous. You have an opinion just like this kid, and it seeps through. Except this kid expresses himself genuinely and makes his arguments unashamed, while you use formulated 'unbiased' criticisms to muddle the issue and confuse it with an argument about whether the chosen platform is philosophically sound.

Criticizing this kid for his refusal to stand and say the PoA as a show of his support for gay rights is comparable to criticizing Rosa Parks for boycotting public transportation, or civil rights leaders organizing sit in's in public courtrooms and offices because of the unequal rights African American's were subjected to. Don't confuse your opinions with unbiased criticisms about the nature of how someone expresses themselves.

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wolfiends says...

where's user billoreilly in this discussion, I'm more concerned with the people who gobble up the misinformed views of pundits than the actual pundits who hold them. any concessions oreilly makes will be spun to positively reinforce his stubborn nay-saying perspective, to inevitably make it seem as if the democrats, the left, and any other group he would choose to polarize were still wrong in the end.

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wolfiends says...

unfortunately Senator Franken won't be there to dispel every piece of misinformation these people digest, and they'll probably get some chain email in a week that convinces them Franken's not even an U.S. Senator

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