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coffeejerk says...

I am looking forward to see further developments of the IT-Revolution.

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United States is the Most Corrupt Country in the World

coffeejerk says...

1) Countries can be ranked according to data, no doubt. However if the data in question is not easily verified and not even coherent (Which was stated in the first source you brought in) and is applied with changing methodologies to generate a ranking. I would tend to call it fishy and probably unusable.

2) Egalitarian -> Characterized by social equality and equal rights for all people. Or were you talking about another definition of egalitarians (I think there are some out there, .... )?
Feel free to elaborate why people who accept others as equal have a distaste in numbers( if you were referring to the most general definition of egalitarians).

√9) I asked 2 scientists and they told me that I should not argue with you any further because you are predicting reality better than others.

chilaxe said:

@SDGundamX

It's surreal that you're arguing countries can't be ranked by how likely journalists are to be arrested for criticizing the government, or how much bribery is necessary to complete basic business tasks. Please go to China or Russia and try that out.

Measurements can be ranked, even if equalitarians prefer a world without numbers because then "nobody would have to feel bad."

Any scientist can tell you scientific metrics don't need to be perfect, they just need to allow you to predict reality. I'm fine with being able to predict reality better than others, but you're free to prioritize what you wish.

United States is the Most Corrupt Country in the World

coffeejerk says...

international measurements -> Corruption Perceptions Index

Look at who "perceived" this corruption. (According to your source
2012 CPI draws on 13 different surveys and assessments from 12 different institutions.
The institutions are the African Development Bank, the Bertelsmann Foundation, the Economist Intelligence Unit, Freedom House, Global Insight, International Institute for Management Development, Political and Economic Risk Consultancy, Political Risk Services, the World Economic Forum, the World Bank and the World Justice Project.Many of these private organizations have strong ties to particular governments or nations, such as the World Bank which is funded by certain countries.

The 13 surveys/assessments are either business people opinion surveys or performance assessments from a group of analysts.Early CPIs used public opinion surveys. Countries must be assessed by at least three sources to appear in the CPI.)

Should one take these numbers for real ?

1) Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
2) I think there are levels of corruption not measured and mapped by this aggregation of data.

chilaxe said:

Jackie Chan is just an athlete/actor, so it can't be expected that he think scientifically rather than "claim that whatever's good for my side is true."

In international measurements, most of the world is pretty corrupt except for:
1. Western European descended nations, including the US.
2. Japan, whom China hates.
3. A few countries in South America.



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