Fuck you, Fedquip, there's no hostility here! You better stop calling us hostile before I beat your ass!

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I'll wait to see what other people think, but for now, *quality.

Gold Star member karaidl has awarded Fedquip one published post for this quality Sift Talk contribution.

We're adding some limited comment moderation features in 3.0 to attempt to address this exact issue. We have certainly had more ad hominem than I find condusive to a positive atmosphere. However, I am not sure there is anyway to avoid that completely on the internets.

Well said Fedquip but I agree with James, there is not a real way to stop it, just minimize it.

I agree with James and Grspec, personal attacks can't be stopped, they can only be limited, and as long as it's not really disrupting regular conversation I don't have a problem with a few jabs or prods, even in my direction. The internet isn't always serious business.

In addition, I'm not sure how Sift 3.0 will be handling the comment moderation, but I am strongly against anything resembling /.'s or Digg's comment rating systems, which are unreliable and basically technology-based forms of passive-aggression. I see comments as pretty much binary: there are comments that are ok and comments that are not ok.

How about making ad homeniem a major offence which gets immediate probation and any offences after that gets bannation? You could put a brief explanation & warning at the comment writing page with a link to a more detailed explanation & warning. But I think the issue here is really about freedom of speech and whether or not such controls intefere with that in an acceptable way.

Also, what if someone just wants to make a joke in a playful / humourous way, like karaidl just did?

easy pip, then we ban his ass!

also in regards to comment voting, do we really need to give ant another way to downvote?

I volunteer my services, as an ombudsman. Already, I have a hard-on for the punk kiddies, who thrive on tossing matches into the dry-brush, to see what kind of alarms will be activated....I observe the most virulent of abuse coming from two camps: the trolls and lurkers, and certain atheists, who have yet to discover any error in their haze, or themselves.

You may remember me from such threads as..(the one that inspired this perhaps, that fedquip recently posted with two particular low-end cream-puffs, whom remain unnamed here, cause I'm already working their soft-tissue elsewhere), some of the 911 posts, and alll the times I have HALO dropped into a (can't really call it discussion), soapbox pulpit, whose unilateral crusade to abolish ignorance with regard to the prospect of a benevolent omni-being, digresses into imbecilic, der Fuhrer-esque comments,... the "holier than thou" God-boppers.

The shit is stupid, keep yer spirituality or the lack there-of, in yer basement, closet, or circle-jerk blog of fellow enthusiasts, hell....start a freekin' church.

Anyhow, y'all have but to send an alert my way, and I'll break em down, fast, slow, or, perhaps follow my instincts that lean towards giving a second chance, for the recalcitrant, humble, and repentant. Grandaddy said, if you are going to deal with hive of bees, smoke em' when you see them start to fuss, and be nice to the queen.....

I have eaten, of the royal jelly, skilled at how to get the workers to do my bidding......

And I disagree, with fedquip's suggestion, that we simply don't vote. I say, if the unfortunate situation arises, that yours or someone else's post, has drawn out some snot-nosed flake, who feels free to dice and slice a thread before it gets started, FLEX THE DOWNVOTE!! That is what it is for....for whatever reason you decide....If someone asks me why, I usually qualify it with an explanation, some don't, their prerogative . Too bad if the post dies in te queue....there are many, many more, than the 500 you think you need, and we can take over from there, with personal messages to the unbelievers. They will tire of their inability to garner acceptance from the community, and go back to their first-person shooter games, and into their mom's fridge, for another Mountain Dew.

I will not second a choggie nomination. Without dipping into adhominem, you sir, would make THE WORST statesmen of anyone I have ever had the pleasure of not knowing in person. That said you do a wonderful job tracking down offenders. You just don't handle it with the grace and dignity that is a hallmark of public office.

The moderation in 3.0 will be like our sift talk stuff. You get awarded quality points for awesome comments, and you get downgraded for spam and abuse. Enough down grades and you are automatically hauled onto sift talk for a little community review.

Thanks for the props, baby. That was intended as always, to deliver the kernel, riding on a cob.

From now on, you will see all ad-hom cease from this appreciative user, unless the hackles are raised to the point, that my ass-showing tendencies, take over.....

Anyone wanna place odds on the date, when choggie will be dragged kicking and screaming, into the principal's office, for abuse......I can assure you, I will do it with more dignity, than some of the folks I have brought, or helped to bring here.....and fedquip, while my sentiments remain steadfast regarding my personal beef, I can say that I appreciate your presence here, in many ways, and am glad you remained. Upon reflection, I would have done it much differently, had I not been so moved, on a visceral level.

Fluid dynamics

Public officers are known for handling situations with grace and dignity? Hmmm....

Also, I really, really wouldn't support Pipp's suggestion, a few snide comments here and there is not reason enough to be probating and banning anyone.

agreed. If you have a star you can't be auto banned for your commenting. New users though have a lower bar for termination.

I agree a general sense of manners and hospitality needs to be present in the community. I also feel friendly banter is what make me so engrossed with the sift. A applaud fedquip on the post.

However I must disagree with a neutral vote. That will just keep crap on the sift that should be nixed. i.e. there is a post over a year old on this sift that has 0 votes. two more down and it's off the sift. (And in my honest opinion is where it should stay.)

Things change, if the Sift lives to be a hundred no one is going to give a damn about all the Paris Hilton videos or others related to current events that had little impact on todays society.

Neutral voting is a way of turning Videosift into a cesspool.

This brings me to comment voting. I hate the idea of having to justify why I vote for something. It already pisses me off that everyone and their dog wants to know why I didn't fall head over heals for their video. (Not to mention I don't want e-mails every couple of hours with a comment saying "nice vid." or "you suck."

Vote for Pedro

I want Farhad brought up on charges for calling me a Hag.

No neutral vote option please.

edit: Oh wait...it's Demon Hag now am I right Farhad?

Court martial begins at sundown. I'll bring my colt, hope you have a quick trigger finger.

yeah. peoples, flex that down vote, like some schmengele has been doing with many of my viddies, for no apparent reason except to push the buttons......we know who we are, and it aint, aint!!

How's that dodging the sacred cow of Ad Hom??? Oh and dingleberry we are just starting........

hey, y'all keep it down in there! If you kids don't behave!

yeah, I fail to understand how a neutral vote is any different from not voting at all... so, what's the point?

easy pip, then we ban his ass!

Not if I ban me first!!

Don't know where the idea of neutral voting came from? I don't even know what that means.

It means that you can go up to your rooftops, and shout at the whole world at the top of your lungs, "I HAVE NO OPINION ON THIS WHATSOEVER!!"

When we use these new features, will they only accumulate points, or will they counter one another - quality versus inappropriate?

well there is a 5 - 6 inappropriate post floor. At which point you get brought up on charges, which may be dismissed by an administrator. Although you guys do a pretty good job of keeping order.

So even if there were say 10 quality votes for a comment, the 5-6 inappropriate votes would cause such action. One person's inappropriate could be another person's quality.

I think there should be a *sinbin invocation. Fall foul and next time you try to vote/comment you have to wait 30 minutes

good point dotedude i agree i bet no one will get axed except the real suckers. it would be a chance for people to quickly express themselves without getting into it. just a simple up or down vote sounds cool.