The hoaxers will always find some new avenue. Believing is seeing. Cognitive dissonance, confirmation bias, all the other biases...

Great pics though, regardless!

Typical pro-NASA bias from the liberal media. Teach both sides of the controversy.

Oh man, you really don't think that'll stop any of them. They'll say they are fake photos.

They'll say that the things up there were put there by unmanned ships.

They'll say and believe anything they bloody well want to keep their delusion alive.

Same as the 911 nuts

Same as UFO crazies.

NONE of them have ANY evidence to support ANY of their claims.

And they won't take your or my FACT as evidence...

Cool stuff though

OK, so here's my view:

I don't know if it's a hoax. I don't know if it's real.
I've seen good arguments from both sides.
This happened the year I was born, I was alive, but I didn't see it.

I've found I can no longer believe anything the US government or NASA feeds the public.
Not because it's implausible but because they lie so much to the people in general.

The only way I can believe in a moon landing is if they did it again.
With non-government watchdogs to testify to the authenticity.
Non-government, interests, possibly from different countries.

They did it once, technology is far more advanced now, why can't they do it again?

Edit: Now that Photoshop and other technology exists, some "Photographs" will never convince me.

>> ^Sagemind:

OK, so here's my view:
I don't know if it's a hoax. I don't know if it's real.
I've seen good arguments from both sides.
This happened the year I was born, I was alive, but I didn't see it.
I've found I can no longer believe anything the US government or NASA feeds the public.
Not because it's implausible but because they lie so much to the people in general.
The only way I can believe in a moon landing is if they did it again.
With non-government watchdogs to testify to the authenticity.
Non-government, interests, possibly from different countries.
They did it once, technology is far more advanced now, why can't they do it again?
Edit: Now that Photoshop and other technology exists, some "Photographs" will never convince me.


Really? Good arguments from the side that say it was a hoax?

Show me ANY GOOD arguments and I'll respect your stance, but there are NONE. NONE. Every one of their inane arguments is utter rubbish and easily, simply, painfully debunkable.

A few years back I saw a very interesting documentary on all the questions surrounded the landing. It made me cautious enough to question the validity of the facts we have. I've learned not to trust in belief based on something I've been told or what's in a book. That's why I don't believe in religion. One thing I do believe in, it's man's ability to lie.

Research on the internet reveals solid, sound proof of the landings while it also offers some very interesting questions such as theVan Allen Radiation Belt.

What I end up with is one big science-fiction story that I hope is true but have no way of actually proving for myself..

Two random picked sites on either side of the debate.:
• Facts and Info about the Fake Moon Landing Hoax Conspiracy Theory
• The 15 Essential Moon landing facts


>> ^spoco2:


Really? Good arguments from the side that say it was a hoax?
Show me ANY GOOD arguments and I'll respect your stance, but there are NONE. NONE. Every one of their inane arguments is utter rubbish and easily, simply, painfully debunkable.

@Sagemind Sorry, but you haven't given me anything to disprove there. The first site trots out the usual utter, complete bullshit
"Images show that Stars were missing from the black lunar sky " Really? People don't know about exposures? You try taking a photo of people at night and see how many stars you see in the sky... fricken NONE.
"American Flag was waving - how is this possible when there is no air on the moon" IT WAS NOT WAVING... it moves when the astronaut puts it in, it has a ROD along the top of it to hold it out because it otherwise wouldn't flap out...

Actually, no, I'm not going to bother, they're all debunked many times over... places like Clavius and even Wikipedia has plenty of great debunking pieces.

It's utter rubbish, really, spend your time focusing on things that matter. You're being duped by a form of persuasion which I see these conspiracy shows employ which is to just fire lots of 'facts' at you so even if you can, on your own, debunk some of them straight away in your head using sound reason, you can't do that for all of them so you start to believe them because you can't instantly discredit them.

Well, if you need convincing, go to those sites and look up the answers to any of the claims that you actually believe in. You'll find that they are patently stupid and simple minded in the end.

It shits me to tears that people waste vast amounts of energy making up this crap and not bothering to actually fact check at all. Because thing like 'not being able to see stars' is SO AMAZINGLY stupid that any list that has that should immediately be ignored in its entirety for not having an once of common sense in it.

"I've learned not to trust in belief based on something I've been told or what's in a book." So, really, what do you believe? You believe conspiracy nuts with no evidence to back up their case? Sorry, but you've fallen into this land where anyone of any import can't be trusted, and this somehow includes all scientists and anyone who does proper science, and yet somehow leaves armchair conspiracy theorists as being the arbiters of truth.

Such a wrong, wrong, wrong mindset to be in.

YES check the sources, YES ask what vested interest any source of information has on a slant, YES be critical. But don't fall into the black hole of trusting nothing except other conspiracy theorists. It makes no sense.

@spoco2
Ignore my crappy post above - I didn't take the time to even clarify what I was trying to say. And the links were just meant to illustrate that there were differing views - I didn't look at them very closely, and I didn't say I believed what they were selling.

And don't get me wrong. Most of the facts I have are "hearsay".
And yes, most of theorist's reasoning is utter crap - the flag thing especially

It's not that I'm fanatically saying it's false. You're right, I don't have the facts! I also don't have the background to sort through and divide the real facts from the bullshit. Although I have a love of science, physics and cosmology - I have no formal training. I read quite a few books on theory, plus biographies but I keep it light for getting lost in the mathematics. I also haven't read/found any good books on this subject.

You are also correct, so much miss-information is put out there by theorists. And maybe I've been jaded by lies to the point of not knowing who to trust in life. I'm not trusting the theorists, I'm just being cautious of everything I hear. I don't believe one over the other. I just choose to defer my belief for another time (does that even make sense?) I will continue to defer until either I have time to research it for myself properly or until I come across something by someone I can trust (by merit) that makes sense to me.

Am I stubborn? Yes, I am. I can't help it.
But don't worry, I'm not calling fake. I'm definitely NOT siding with the theorists. I'm just sitting back and watching, waiting for that one thing to spark, where I can say "Bazinga," that's it, that's the piece I needed".
Don't get too frustrated with me, I'm reasonable and I evolve
One day I'll find the time to locate the real facts.