Hmmm... space jellies in love, or big-brained, telepathic Talosian aliens with pulsing head veins? Added bonus of "The Cage"... Spock is a DICK! C'mon TNG'ers, it's a frickin' GIANT JELLY FISH (with feelings)! It's been done! At least make it a dangerous Irukandji or Box (or something).

As @ChaosEngine said, TNG got a lot better than this, and I became a fan. However, I grew up with TOS, so it'll always be the best Star Trek in my mind.

>> ^lurgee:

The origanal series had way better scripts. I gave up on the newer stuff after Tasha Tar vanished.


Pity, because TNG really didn't get good until the 2nd season (i.e. just after you stopped watching). I'd argue that the TNG at it's best was the best Star Trek ever made. But I don't really consider myself a trekkie, so YMMV.

I'm on the fence about that. I half want to see it looking good, and half want to see it the way it was. The only thing I really don't like visually about TNG is the foam rocks, and I doubt any amount of light touch editing will fix that.>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^messenger:
I prefer the old one because the effects are part of the time it came from. Having advanced graphics is anachronistic and takes me out of the story.
(and I don't have a lawn)

It's not the effects that bother me as much as the crappy video quality. It's blurred and the colour grading is awful.

>> ^messenger:

I prefer the old one because the effects are part of the time it came from. Having advanced graphics is anachronistic and takes me out of the story.
(and I don't have a lawn)

Oh, and in case you haven't seen what they did with TOS, they handle the effects with a light touch. It isn't too distracting or anachronistic at all. It's very respectful of the source material.

>> ^messenger:

I prefer the old one because the effects are part of the time it came from. Having advanced graphics is anachronistic and takes me out of the story.
(and I don't have a lawn)


It's not the effects that bother me as much as the crappy video quality. It's blurred and the colour grading is awful.

>> ^gorillaman:


The old version already exists, is fine and watchable, beloved by millions of people and takes no additional work to produce; whereas the new version, which can barely be distinguished in side-by-side comparisons and not at all in normal viewing conditions, needed a bunch of wasted effort to make. It has consumed human labour to no purpose. Also, it is on Blu-ray so worse by definition.
Obviously I say this as an adult who watches everything in the lowest resolution available. Sometimes I even read books with no pictures at all. 1080p gaylords may have other (wrong) ideas.
I am actually pretty surprised you went for that.



So I guess I was right the first time.

>> ^ChaosEngine:

Ok, it's an obvious troll...

>> ^ChaosEngine:
Ok, it's an obvious troll, but what the hell, I'll bite.
Why? Do you actually have a reason or do you just want the kids of your blurry lawn?


The old version already exists, is fine and watchable, beloved by millions of people and takes no additional work to produce; whereas the new version, which can barely be distinguished in side-by-side comparisons and not at all in normal viewing conditions, needed a bunch of wasted effort to make. It has consumed human labour to no purpose. Also, it is on Blu-ray so worse by definition.

Obviously I say this as an adult who watches everything in the lowest resolution available. Sometimes I even read books with no pictures at all. 1080p gaylords may have other (wrong) ideas.

I am actually pretty surprised you went for that.

>> ^gorillaman:

Old version's better.


Ok, it's an obvious troll, but what the hell, I'll bite.

Why? Do you actually have a reason or do you just want the kids of your blurry lawn?

How many Orion slave girls did Picard bed? Whether his own life, the lives of his crew, or the safety of his ship was on the line, Kirk always found time for love. If Kirk had been assimilated by the Borg, instead of Picard/Locutus, he would have had the Borg queen eating out of his hand, distracting her while his capable crew destroyed the Borg cube. Don't get me wrong, I loved TNG. Picard was brilliant, but Kirk was brilliant AND a playa. No contest.

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Yeah, Paramount did an excellent job. See, George Lucas? THIS is how you remaster a series. By touching things up, but staying faithful to the original.

But I'm really excited to see how TNG turns out. The originals look particularly bad since all the editing was done on VHS for faster turn-around. For the remastered version, they're reediting the show from scratch, so it should be a big improvement.

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I can't hear what Levar says after the speech


Don't know if anyone ever answered you (or you worked it out for yourself) but he says "I never fucking liked you though. To tell you the god's honest truth, you were a pain in the ass." "I know..." "But I'm glad you're here....because you're our pain in the ass..."

Actually, with Holodecks and replicators, you could live perfectly happily in little rooms, always have enough to eat and drink, live out every fantasy, borrow other people's fantasies, the human population would basically have no need for anything but a single small planet with billions of little rooms covering it, and effectively you'd have the matrix.

However, having been watching TNG on Netflix off and on for the last several weeks the point about there being no new creative works in the future is just plain false. It seems anytime they spout off a list of great works of history they always mention at least one or two works that haven't been 'created' yet. And they regularly would take poets and artists on board.. they play classical music and Dr Crusher leads dance classes and a small theater troupe.

Still, the Matrix thing really would be the end of civilization.

>> ^00Scud00:

I think both sides are pretty much full of crap in this video, but I will agree that the invention of holodecks would be the end of society as we know it, I can barely drag myself away from video games as it is.


I thought it was insightful the way TNG anticipated and addressed holo addiction in multiple episodes before things like MMO addiction existed. It seems on a Federation ship you are given strict holodeck rations and excessive use is quickly flagged and a super hot therapist dispatched to cure you. Beyond that I'd imagine that the average earth citizen is neither needed or expected to do much work. But the Federation attracts particularly ambitious people who care about real life.

>> ^bmacs27:

Holy crap, is that Jonathan Frakes? He's aged poorly. He looks like he caught up to Patrick Stewart.

Patrick Stewart has looked exactly the same for the last thirty years. We will all catch up to him eventually.

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