I'm definitely not a film student (or a student of films). I'm not really savvy enough to confirm this guy's thesis about what Snyder is doing wrong.

But one part rang massively true for me -- when he talked about Avengers Age of Ultron and the farmhouse scene. Honestly, I didn't like Age of Ultron all that much, but that scene stuck out as a good one. From being a fan of Joss Whedon's TV shows, I think he is a master of making characters that we get invested in. We identify with them or see elements of friends / family / whatever in them, and that makes it much more rewarding to watch them do amazing (or even mundane) things.

That farmhouse scene in Age of Ultron was a really good example of that. And I didn't feel anything like that, at all, for any of the characters in Batman v Superman.

I don't know that Whedon's very character-centric approach is necessarily a whole lot better for creating extremely compelling storylines either, but I think it can cover a lot of blemishes in that department.

I don't have the sense to break down a movie for the quality of the scenes and moments. But I do know when a movie sucks or has trouble trying to deliver a story. And what I saw wasn't much of a story at all. There were too many things that were way out there that seem to fall into place or was forced to be there because either WB or Snyder wanted it to be there. In this case, Wonder Woman.

I also saw the portrayed character of the supposed Lex Luthor and found that has an overreaching intelligence network that should not have included the identities of various other "meta-humans." And the way he plotted all of his schemes reminds me too much of Joker.

For me, the simple conclusion I came to after watching this movie is that it didn't flow well. Things just go from one spot to another to another and there's nothing in between to tell us the details. Wasn't a lot of movie time spent on dealing with the politics of Superman? At least Captain America: Civil War got the execution right when it comes to politics (that being, the heroes have to be held accountable for their actions).

it is a really strange universe and I dont like angry emotionally driven batman or meh to everything superman... wonder woman was dope. I wasn't "poo-poo" and turned it off but I also dont eagerly await the rest of the shows. It is visually worth watching to see comic book super hero use their powers.

Have read Red Son... great story, although I'm not sure it counts as it's not the "standard" Superman character.

I'll admit I haven't read All-Star, and I've heard good things.

It's impossible for me not to ask if you've read All-Star Superman and Red Son.

So the problem is shitty writers? Fair enough, but I think shitty writers of Superman outweigh good writers by a significant ratio.

In fact, the only writer I've ever seen do a truly good job with Superman was Alan freaking' Moore. The problem with Superman isn't that he isn't relatable, it's that it's hard to give him an interesting challenge.

Batman is at his best (story wise) when he's vulnerable and has to solve a problem. It's hard to write Superman without him just being more powerful.

Wow, I totally hate Superman, but damn that animation is amazing, especially given the time period

Saw the movie yesterday - it was just all over the place.

The biggest problem I had with it was that a major portion of the "plot" relied on the fact that Batman and Superman both [spoiler] had moms with the first name Martha [/spoiler].

I just watched it, and yeah, unbelievably enough, it is worse than Man of Steel. It's boring, one-note dour, and worst of all, utterly pointless as a story on its own (other than to be a prologue to the Justice League film). Like, I literally just saw the movie, and if you asked me to tell you what it was about -- other than "Batman and Superman hate each other for some reason" -- I couldn't do it. There's no plot, just a bunch of stuff that happens, mostly to set up future DC movies. It's pretty grim.

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and you guys...sheesh...i can't do stuff like this,and the 10yr old that resides in me still thinks this is awesome!

And they explained away Khan's original appearance being transformed into Khanberbatch as just futuristic cosmetic surgery in the prequel comic I think.

But yes, it's still stupid. In their defense, how else were they going to do Khan? The person would have had to have looked like Montalblan otherwise.

But going back to stupid since it was just stupid to reboot the Khan storyline. Cuz yeah, a genetic superman from the 1990s would be a really big help fighting a war in 2200s. Obviously war in the 2200s is exactly the same as it was in 1900, no leap in logic for this fossil to design a hyper advanced starship that dwarfs the flagship of the day...not at all.

#1 ok, i thought it was supposed to be a tv series, not a movie.

#2 forming a team of villains to do a job that apparently no heros can do... what the fark.. that is the oldest, lamest, plot in the book.

#3 despite what looks to be a "villains in the early days" origin, seems like very little origin story going on and more like a quick romp through a city to do..something.

#4 There seems to be a lot of special FX going on for the sake of eye candy, almost in a Joel Schumacher way.

#5 and why queen?

I like the superman movies, I am sooo giving superman vs batman a chance, but this I have serious doubts about. Although it mainly has to do with joker looking like the cover boy for INK magazine.

So, all it takes to be a hero is carrying somebody's shopping bag?
Can we plese tell that to the people behind the last Superman movie? I don't think all that mayhem was really necessary.

I like seeing the shadow of the quad show up occasionally, to remind me that it isn't Superman with a GoPro strapped to his head for some scenes.

I like a lot of anime, but I have to say, this bit embodies everything I hate about anime. This is the reason Matrix II and III sucked, this is why Superman movies always suck. Heroes need limits comprehensible by us mere mortals, otherwise the action just becomes a bunch of incomprehensible garbage (like the above).