>> ^rasch187:
I feel like I'm back in elementary school...


They sucked dicks left and right in your elementary school? Damn...

>> ^blankfist:
But does burdy suck dick left and right?


N*gger dick!

But does burdy suck dick left and right?

Allow me to express my indignant opinion:

Westy - racist, talked his way out of it and got a rediculous punishment for the wrong crime.
QM - racist, talked his way completely out of it cos no one wants to be too harsh on the black sheep.
(yes i know and pointed out it was a film quote from QM, but as i said on the westy debacle - it doesn't matter how you mean something to be taken, it's how that something is taken)

budzos - says that he HEARD that someone sucked dick left and right, WHICH MAY BE TRUE, and was CLEARLY sardonic anyway, and he's currently being pseudo-sifto-quisitioned.

What the fuck are we coming to? We can't see how a clearly racist comment is racist, and we can't see how a clearly sardonic comment was sardonic?

Budzos just fucking call "irony" mate, what you meant was he DOESN'T suck cock left and right. Apparently it works for everyone on this site. SEE THE IRONY GUYS? FUNNY RIGHT?

You guys...I don't know why this is such a big deal. If QM wants to suck dicks left and right, let the guy be. I mean, what kind of site is this where we judge somebody for enjoying their favorite past-time?

QM, I'm sorry sorry about these guys, please continue to suck left and right dickage

What I actually said on the post was "Isn't the 'sucking dicks' comment playing off of a negative connotation of homosexuals?" and I said it to illustrate why someone would be offended. I just wanted to have a talk about possibly restructuring the rules, that and I felt like i was sticking up for a fellow sifter. QM takes a lot of abuse around here and I get tired of it sometimes. He's a conservative voice that the sift is rather lacking in.

That being said, I'm sorry for the hobble, it wasn't my intention. I felt like what happened to Westy was unfair and, again, the ultimate goal was a coversation about restructuring the rules a bit. You're absolutley right, there is nothing int he FAQ that qualifies you for a hobble.

Feel free to beat me with a hose when this is all over. -jj

In reply to this comment

A few points in my defense:

1. My comment was in support of Throbbin's point to QM that the onus of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. I was making it in an offensively humorous way, which is a trademark of my persona here. The need to explain this is sad. To say I am making an attack on homosexuals is fucking ridiculous.
2. My comment is only a personal attack if you are homophobic or think there is something wrong with sucking dick left and right. Otherwise see above about scathing humor.
3. Take a look at my unsifted videos. I posted something to the gay channel yesterday.

And finally, if you look at section 30 (Hobbling) of the FAQ it says (summarizing) that hobbling is for members who are abusing their star priveleges to the detriment of the site or community. Making a single inappropriate comment does not fall under this heading.

Furthermore, section 32 states that a comment found particularly offensive by enough members of the community will be deleted. Nowhere does it state this earns an instahobble.

EXCESSIVE FORCE!

EXCESSIVE FORCE!

I DEMAND RESTITUTION!

The reason why I'm going off, as if I need a reason these days, is that this site seems to not know where it stands when it comes to dealing with racism and hate speech. We had the 'westy affair'. That was resolved. Recently QM called me a "spook" and that was dismissed because it was some movie quote. I guess I can quote lines out of Schindler's List now whenever I want to insult Jews. Ridiculous bullshit. The issue I have with this post is comparing someone saying "I hear you suck dick" to "black people are monkeys". It's offensive Jigga that you don't understand the difference. Yes, personal attacks should not be allowed. (not that I think budzos comment was actually a personal attack). That's a separate issue. But don't compare it to racism. I don't know how I can explain this any better .. yes acting out on hatred against someone is wrong. But acting out on hatred against a whole race of people ..

I heard from a reliable source that QM sucks dick left and right.

I'm not saying that either is ok, just that i personally feel that one is worse than the other in this community situation. I dont appreciate your "you suck dick" comment referring to me for example because your intent in that situation was to insult me. Dont worry though, I'm a big boy, I can take it. But why even go there? If you felt differently why not just disagree and move on?

I'm a member of this community too, and I dont deserve to be talked to that way.

Or, as I said before, Is this youtube?

>> ^JiggaJonson:
Why is it pretty stupid? Why are they dissimilar? If anything I think what Westy said was a lesser offense since it didnt target a specific person.
I didnt change my mind, they were just various points that came up during discussion. Also, does saying "it should be frowned upon" equate to "I think he should be hobbled?"


Title of this post:
"If westy gets hobbled ....."
Doesn't that mean if westy gets hobbled shouldn't budzos too? Semantic games now?
I'm not going to argue about westy's post. That shit has been hashed out and resolved. But you're logic on how budzos' comment is "worse" is wrong.
By your standards I could say: "Niggers are nothing but a drain on society." because I'm not attacking a specific person. That would be OK compared to "That nigger is lazy!"

If you want to go that route, budzos never said that all gays suck dick .. just QM.

There is a fuzzy area when judging some comments. You made this post, which is a defacto siftquisition of budzos. You're making the argument that budzos' comment and westy's comment are the same thing. A racist joke versus some guy saying you suck dick? Well, that's obviously stupid so you changed it to argue that budzos' comment was homophobic. Then you changed it to say you just don't like all the conservative bashing you see here. In any event, budzos got hobbled for nothing. You don't really want to have a dialog with me if you're going to continue equating racist hate speech (also called "jokes" apparently) with some guy calling an asshole a cock sucker.

Comparing 'I hear you suck dick' to 'black people are monkeys' is pretty stupid.

>> ^EndAll:
I don't think we should allow individuals to base a hobbling off their own subjective interpretations of what is offensive. The rules should be redefined to not allow any gray areas. We need precise limitations so that we don't end up squabbling over the differences like this.


That's why we had Siftquisitions.

>> ^JiggaJonson:
Honestly I'm just sick of people picking on QM just because he's an easy target. Why is it ok to attack him but not ok to make a racist joke? Isn't the 'sucking dicks' comment playing off of a negative connotation of homosexuals?

Is that what this post is about? Well you know, you're right -- it sucks when someone gets picked on. But what are you going to do? Make a sift talk post every time someone is mean to QM?

How is it even the same offense? I'll tell you right now .. you suck dick Jigga. Maybe not always, but you're definitely sucking it right now. This post sucks dick too but at least it got me to post about how drama and moderation are being mishandled on this site and how unfair, stupid and counter the whole VS concept it is to throw everything on dag. You see how I did all of that without making a racist joke at your expense? Not the same offense.

edit .. first off, QM doesn't need you to defend him.
secondly there is something wrong with you if you don't understand the difference between a harmless jibe between men and racists jokes. Trying to pretend that you're defending gay rights now is just sad.

Honestly I'm just sick of people picking on QM just because he's an easy target. Why is it ok to attack him but not ok to make a racist joke? Isn't the 'sucking dicks' comment playing off of a negative connotation of homosexuals?