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Nothing about this toy makes sense!

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Nothing about this toy makes sense!

Nothing about this toy makes sense!

A Surgeon's POV Of A Complete Knee Replacement

lucky760 says...

While watching that I just kept hearing the chanting from the Spiderman movie in my head: "Bone saw! Bone saw! Bone saw!"

Fascinating.

43 Cartoon Theme Song Ensemble

Shepppard says...

So, lets see.. It's been a while since I posted this, but lets try and peg all of cartoons from my childhood.

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Transformers
pokemon
X-men / Sailor moon
Powerpuff Girls
South park
CatDog
G.I. joe?
Family Guy
Pinky and the Brain
Pink Panther
Dexters Lab / The Rescuers
Spiderman
Inspector Gadget
Adventure Time
Babar
Madeline
Smurfs
Doug / Rugrats
Carebears
Dore the Explorer
Spongebob
Futurama / Magic Schoolbus
Muppet Babies
The Simpsons
Peanuts
He-Man
Dragon Ball Z
Thundercats
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Johnny Bravo
Animaniacs
Tiny Toons
Duck Tales!
Bobbies World
The Jetsons
The Flintstones
Looney Toons

...I know I'm missing a few in there, not sure what they are. Lets see if we can get some people to actually figure them out. *Promote

Spider-Woman's Big Ass Is A Big Deal - Maddox

bareboards2 says...

I couldn't bring myself to read some of the longer comments above. But has anyone mentioned the dimples above her butt? Spiderman's butt dimples don't show -- he is clothed, she is essentially naked.

Plus what @SDGundamX said. He sees why some folks are upset and articulates it beautifully.

I'm quite tired of being told that my reactions are wrong. Especially when someone who presumably hasn't lived in my gender's skin can so easily see why someone of my gender would be upset.

If certain men would stop arguing so much and try to understand, even a little bit, maybe we could get past this topic. But as long as women get lectured as to how they are wrong wrong wrong, we are going to be stuck here forever.

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Spider-Woman's Big Ass Is A Big Deal - Maddox

00Scud00 says...

Oh yeah I've seen plenty of Manara's work before; but you say you enjoyed his work as a young man? What's stopping you now? Manara is 68 and he seems to enjoy his work just fine. I'm 41 and if I ever stop enjoying that then I may consider that to be a sure sign that it's time to pack it in.
@Xaielao
I think it looks fine to me. Women are typically better endowed in the hip department than men are so if you're comparing it to the picture of Spiderman then they should look different.

entr0py said:

True, I think the intention behind the two covers is very different, even if the results are similar. In the Spider-man cover, he looks like a spider who has already wrapped up his helpless terrified prey. And if you know about spiders you know what happens next, it's pretty nasty. The real spider in the lower right corner helps drive home the impression.

Where as with the Spider-woman cover I don't have any real doubt that Milo Manara was trying to make her sexy; that's kind of his thing. He's best known as an erotic artist and his artwork ranges from pinup girl to pretty hardcore porn (which I enjoyed as a young man). Check out his Wikipedia page and the first thing you'll see is that that pose is not one he's new at drawing.

I think where critics go wrong is the idea that sexiness implies sexism. If she were both drawn as sexy and being degraded or made fun of that would qualify as sexism. But there's got to be some room for sensuality without automatically feeling it's a personal insult to all women.

Spider-Woman's Big Ass Is A Big Deal - Maddox

Xaielao says...

My only problem with her ass is it looks fake, like so many Hollywood & pop stars with gigantic ass implants. I have no issue with the pose, it's spiderman/woman after all. But you have to admit, in the comparison cover the ass is proportional, in the controversial one it is not.

Spider-Woman's Big Ass Is A Big Deal - Maddox

dannym3141 says...

@SDGundamX and addressing the devil's advocate rather than 'you'...

Spiderman's head is also raised (the same angle of their face is shown) and his back is arched, and i think that's clear when they are side by side. If anything i think spiderman's left leg is poorly drawn and his backside does need to be more in the air, whereas spiderwoman is a more human-like natural position for raising a knee over a ledge with your chest close to the ground. Remember that they are different artists bringing their own styles to a particular genre, they both have their own personalities and methods/methodologies. Furthermore, how much of an arch difference is necessary or acceptable and who makes those rules? Surely we must draw men and women differently so that we know whether the character is male or female (do we have too few fem superheroes is another question), and as a species we have different shapes. Surely amongst all these factors we must accept that the spiderwoman is a reasonable artistic recreation of the spiderman pic? If not, why not, taking all of those factors into account (and i can probably list more)? Basically we're asking the question "what is art?" here.

So that's why i think it's impossible for anyone to say the pose is sexual but the creator. No one questioned whether the spiderman pose was overtly sexual until someone drew spiderwoman doing "the same" (for argument's sake) thing. To a bunch of people who do not automatically see women as sexual objects (and i consider myself among that bunch), her pose is not sexual because the context isn't sexual. The question of sexuality arises when someone looks at the pic and goes "Gee, if i were levitating several hundred meters in the air directly behind her and she wasn't wearing any pants, she'd be 'presenting' to me for a split second."

So the ultimate level of 'equality' (or whatever) would be a world in which anything, in its particular context, is legal and absolutely ok. But of course, we can't depict nude youngsters in cinema even in the context of a bath for good reason, which let's generalise to all potentially difficult subjects (like sexism, racism, etc.) and call the "no one's perfect rule" - we can't trust everyone to keep things in context.

Our supposedly greatest form of organisation and problem solving - national governments, the pillars of our society - can't sort their proverbial arses from their proverbial elbows; if they're not perfect, how can we trust all of society to be?

In conclusion - i suppose we need a certain level of sexism or reverse-sexism that hopefully keeps us balanced between short-changing the future prospects of young girls in favour of young boys because of a biased society, and treating other people unfairly because of an over-zealous pursuit of what seems to be impossible.

One way of helping this is by very carefully checking the facts, the context and the meaning of what someone says before saying things like "sexist" or "mansplaining" or "racist". Always react as slowly as you may, that way you can be more or less enraged in your response depending on new info!

Edit: Want to add that if i had a pic of myself in that spidey pose, i'd be pretty happy putting it up on an eharmony profile or something - it is a 'sexy' pose, it looks good, he looks lean and strong and fit. I don't like this idea that women don't have sexual urges or that lean, fit men aren't sexy to women. It's possibly sexist to assume that! He's kind of presenting too, from a certain position...

Spider-Woman's Big Ass Is A Big Deal - Maddox

Spider-Woman's Big Ass Is A Big Deal - Maddox

00Scud00 says...

The Spiderman cover is actually kinda creepy, it looks like he got over excited and entrapped all those poor criminals in a big ball of Spidey Sperm.

Spider-Woman's Big Ass Is A Big Deal - Maddox

SDGundamX says...

Just to play devil's advocate here, the poses of the male and female covers are actually quite different, in my opinion.

Spiderman is lying flat against the surface of a globe with his body pressed against it. I haven't seen any gay porn that depicts models (admittedly I'm not one to peruse much gay porn) in this way in order to evoke sexual feelings.

Spiderwoman on the other hand is simply kneeling on a rooftop and has her ass thrust into the air, with back arched and head raised. As a hetero male, that's imagery I see used to evoke sexual feelings in Sports Illustrated, Playboy, etc. It does totally looks like she's presenting her ass to me specifically because there's no reason for her ass to be up in the air higher than her head (in Spiderman's case he's upside down so of course his ass is going to be over his head).

As far as the rest of his argument goes, I'll simply say this--people are not upset about the sexualization so much as people are upset that when men get sexualized in media it is often in a manner that is idealized by men themselves (i.e. muscular, ripped body) and when women get sexualized... it is often in a manner that is idealized by men themselves (i.e. big boobs, unrealistic body figure, etc.) because it is the men who often control authorship in the media. Of course you're going to alienate potential women readers if you don't present them with an idealized version of themselves but instead give them an idealized version of who men want them to be.

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Spider-Woman's Big Ass Is A Big Deal - Maddox

newtboy says...

Absolutely. What these people seem to be saying it it's OK for SpiderMAN to pose like that, so OK they didn't even notice it, but if SpiderWOMAN does it she's being a provocative whore that needs to be slut shamed.

totally reminded me of this....
*related=http://videosift.com/video/Stupid-sexy-Flanders

Fusionaut said:

When it comes to Spiderman and Spiderwoman it could actually be argued that it is sexist to consider the Spiderwoman image offensive and the Spiderman image inoffensive. And.... GO!



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