But was he still effectively a threat against America? Wasn't he essentially hobbled already? Holed up, unable to communicate?

Arvana is right, I think -- it is revenge not justice.

However, if I am wrong, if he has been actively and effectively planning attacks against others in the world, then yes, attempt to capture him and if he dies in the attempt, fine with me.

I wish Obama had been stronger in stating that there was an attempt to capture him.


>> ^NetRunner:

@bareboards2 I'm all for the general principle that people have rights and all, but I think when it comes to Osama bin Laden, who very, very clearly wanted people to know that he was behind the 9/11 attacks, I'm willing to settle for him being killed in a skirmish with special forces.

@bareboards2 I'm all for the general principle that people have rights and all, but I think when it comes to Osama bin Laden, who very, very clearly wanted people to know that he was behind the 9/11 attacks, I'm willing to settle for him being killed in a skirmish with special forces.

If you find this interesting, I would highly recommend the book "Codename: Copperhead", the autobiography of Joe Garner - likely the first person to jump out of a plane strapped to a nuclear weapon. He talks in detail about that first jump and other Special Forces exercises with man-portable nukes.

Way to go Russian special forces. Always overdoing it.
I mean... wtf indeed? So the way to stop a terrorist is by blowing shit up?

Next, they will use a dangerous gas in a theater full of hostages and ooooohhh... nevermind

The worst thing about this whole affair is that it WAS reported by US soldiers and swept under the rug. Only after a complaint from a Canadian special forces soldier was there a full Canadian investigation which led the investigators to open channels to the US forces. Once they realized they couldn't keep a lid on it any more the US forces investigated, but they waited until pressured into it.

Which leaves me with two questions.

How many times have these things happened when a soldier from another country wasn't there to report it?

How long before Quantum Mushroom steps in to defend these psychos?

>> ^mxxcon:

visually this movie is interesting, however i don't know if i like how they interpreted all these characters..
Baraka is a crazy body-mod doctor?
Sonya Blade is a cop? (she's a special forces member)
and the whole mortal kombat championship is for thugs?
i don't know...this could turn out to be a stinker


afaik MK and MK Annihilation or whatever the second movie was called generally stuck to games in regards to characters. Needless to say, fail (especially the second movie).

Being familiar with all the characters and their back stories from every MK game, I have no qualms about switching it up to be slightly more down to Earth for a movie like this.

visually this movie is interesting, however i don't know if i like how they interpreted all these characters..
Baraka is a crazy body-mod doctor?
Sonya Blade is a cop? (she's a special forces member)
and the whole mortal kombat championship is for thugs?

i don't know...this could turn out to be a stinker

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>> ^NordlichReiter:
I would wonder why the "special forces" in the movie are called special at all. They looked like a ragtag team of douchebags to me.
Maybe they weren't special forces. But I thought they were because it looked like they were disguised in local clothing, which you wouldn't expect from normal forces.

Shooting a target that is on the move is not very hard provided you've practiced it enough.

It's all very complicated, I think Gunny Hathcock called it SWAG. In a book called One Shot one kill.

Now as I understand it, once a sniper has taken a shot they EXFIL their hide depending on how bad the situation is. If shit hit the fan I'd imagine they GTFO, but if it was a successful one shot one kill job then they would make their way to the extraction point very slow like. So as not to give away their positions and fuck up on the one yard line.

Sniping you have a lot of shit to deal with. Weather, range, ballistics, and trajectory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper

Once you understand how a scope works, and how to deal with the ballistics of the shell you've chosen for the job the rest is practice.

Looking at the targeting section of the Wikipedia entry on snipers I can't say that is easy. Because I sure as hell don't understand it with just a cursory glance.

I would wonder why the "special forces" in the movie are called special at all. They looked like a ragtag team of douchebags to me.

>> ^cybrbeast:

They meet a special forces team and come under attack from an enemy sniper, presumably using a low tech sniper gun.


I don't think they were meant to be SAS, but private contractors. At one point I remember him shooting the prisoners as they were trying to escape and talked about a reward. I've read a lot of non-fiction about the SAS over the years, there's no way the SAS goes around collecting bounties. Though it's not really said in the film, I don't think that's what they're implying. So feel safe in that knowledge!

On the other hand, I did have problems with the film also, despite how well it portrayed the 'addiction' to war. Chris Hedges has described this phenomenon vividly, something that is never talked about.

In the film it is never even mentioned WHY the Iraqis attack American forces. That their entire army was disbanded when it was standing ready to assist, or de-Baathification which had thrown many out of work, for a couple of examples. So we're left to conclude, if we know nothing else about the history of the country, that they just simply hate Americans for no reason. It's not at least suggested that might be a more complicated answer.

I really did not like this movie. I just couldn't suspend my disbelief. I'm not an army guy but this movie was clearly ridiculous.

*spoilers*
First, them casually walking up to the bombs, they have those robots for a reason. But this is far from the worst.
They meet a special forces team and come under attack from an enemy sniper, presumably using a low tech sniper gun. The special ops fire back with a Barret 50 cal and miss. Then the special ops guy is killed by the enemy sniper. Now the guy from the EOD takes over the sniper rifle and sits in exactly the same place. He can't fire because there's blood on his bullets so he casually waits there (in the sight of the enemy sniper) till the bullets are cleaned. He misses a few shots and then finally gets the sniper. Then suddenly his skills increase tenfold because he hits a running Iraqi in one shot. EOD are not snipers!
Then there is the part in the city to a bomb site, and then run into a random city block looking for the bombers. And then they split up. WTF?
I'm sure there was more crap that I can't think of at the moment.

The movie tries to convey this gritty realism but then fails big time. I really can't understand all the praise it gets.

pffff....yes...special forces, dtectives, security guards are all trained not to stare at their targets...right.

You do not put your own grenade together Morganth if someone told you that they were pulling your leg... You can't choose your fuse length either, though I understand that some special forces learn how to remove the fuse and shorten it but I'm not entirely sure if that's true or not.

I am sure however that most people call the "handle" a "spoon", because it's not really a handle (yes I know, it's not a spoon either, but I didn't name it).

Why wait 10 weeks to send special forces into Afghanistan? Why couldn't George Bush be a cowboy the one time the situation called for it?