Who does he think he is ? SHAFT ?

>> ^MarineGunrock:
And yes, for the record, I do believe that all capable persons have a moral obligation to help when possible.


My friend, I'm not defending the guy. I'm just pointing out that he doesn't look like the threat to national security some of you are making him out to be.

"Capable" is the questionable word here. Aside from that, with the possible lawsuits and prosecutions that could arise, anyone would be crazy to involve themselves in any situation like this. Even when life and limb is at stake, good samaritans in the states get the shaft often.

OK, I'll blame most of the discrepancy in details to the incredibly crapy quality of this video, I get about 1 frame per second at best and it won't fullscreen, so it's difficult to see anything clearly. I now see what you mean about the sheet metal/cab not being torn (but it was incredibly difficult to get it to stop on the one frame where that's visible). I think I also see the frame rail move, extreemly difficult to see, but it does seem to obscure part of the drive shaft when it breaks the cab mounts, then it does seem to rotate on that bend point and not break completely. My mistake. Still incredibly strange and possibly (probably?)faked, but not difinitavely. 'FAKE' retracted.
em>>> ^Payback:
>> ^newtboy:
You assume the frame was bent in a flip. The problem with that theory is that the frame is cut clean through. If the frame rails were still there, bent or not, they would have made it impossible for the car (truck) to cleanly break in 2 that way. If you look closely, you can see the frame rails on the front of the vehicle, but not on the rear. It's possible the view is obstructed, but it's not possible that they both broke cleanly at the fold point, the same goes for the sheet metal. My guess would be it's upside down so they could cut the back half off easily.>> ^Payback:

It's not a car. It's a GM full size "Supercab" or "Cab Plus" pickup. The kind with the jump seats and half rear doors that only open when the main doors are open. What you are saying is a "cut through the back door" isn't a door at all. It's the back panel of the cab of the truck.
Looks like the frame got bent when it flipped. Also, the challenge with Chevys is AVOIDING bending them in half in that direction.


Well yes, that is an assumption given the frame LOOKS bent at the beginning, but you're mistaken on a couple points.
-The cab is not cut. What you see rising out of the water is a complete cab, with the rear window crushed and the panel just below the rear window pushed in.
-The frame is not cut. The frame has been weakened (like a power antenna in a car wash) and no longer has any rigidity. The point where the frame is bending seems to be at the rear transmission crossbrace or transfer case mount. The frame is acting like a hinge, about 3 ft in "front" of the cab-to-box gap. The rear most cab mounts have been ripped out as well.

Stupid video. I think everyone knows thermite can melt steel. Melting steel with thermite proves nothing.

What needs to be proven conclusively for this video to work is that jet fuel, whatever else was present and the conditions of the WTC cannot melt steel.

He says an open air jet fuel fire cannot melt steel, that's fine, but inside the middle of the WTC was hardly "open air". Conditions could easily have been created where the elevator shafts or similar provided a jet of air from below to create a blast furnace. Anyone who has ever owned a wood burning stove knows that a wood fire can turn the steel cherry red in a good stove, all it takes is well channelled air. And wood has a much lower burning temperature than jet fuel.

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Wang shaft. heh.

http://lyrics.wikia.com/Cowboy_Junkies:Mining_For_Gold

We are miners, hard rock miners
To the shaft house we must go
oil bottles on our shoulders
We are marching to the slow

On the line boys, on the line boys
Drill your holes and stand in line
'til the shift boss comes to tell you
You must drill her out on time

Can't you feel the rock dust in your lungs?
It'll cut down a miner when he is still young
Two years and the silicosis takes hold
and I feel like I'm dying from mining for gold

Yes, I feel like I'm dying from mining for gold

>> ^bobknight33:
We created this mess we need to fix this mess which means great sacrifice today so our children and grand children wont get shafted.

Have a think about whether that's actually true.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258

Federally, non-defense discretionary makes up 19% of your federal government expenditures. It comprises things like spending on education, science/technology, and infrastructure. All of these are highly relevant to the skills, innovativeness and capacity for the country's economy to support the next generations. Collectively these 3 aspects make up 8% of expenditure. Education is 3% of the pie. How finely do you have to slice this pie to extract any meaningful budget benefits? Meanwhile Social Security is about 20%, Medicare/aid is 21%, other safety net programs are 14%.

Now yes, we're talking about state spending where the proportion is generally much more substantial (around a quarter), but the point is simple. Politically, it's not about leaving a better quality of life for latter generations. It's about preventing meltdown while riling the least amount of constituent groups. And guess what? Future generations don't have a vote yet and teachers are a manageable target. Making modest reductions to Social Security, Medicare/aid and pensions would not be onerous when shared around and in making the current generation pay back for the excesses of the past few decades, would be the most fair. It's a vote killer though.

The fact is, gutting discretionary spending is the very definition of shafting the problem down the line. When the US economy several decades on is low tax, full of wealthy corporations but with a workforce significantly made up of overseas workers while the domestic workforce struggles in the doldrums of low dead-end service jobs, let me know what you think.

Also, how is government unionisation wrong? Why is it that a group of people can't come together to collectively negotiate, especially where their wages are generally standardised?

Don't get me wrong, from what I've heard there's a multitude of things wrong with the teacher's unions. Resistant to any change, particularly to differentiate talent, endemic bad teachers that are impossible to remove. Exorbitant costs at certain levels with average/below average results. Gutting collective bargaining with the obvious intention of gutting their pay while not addressing any of these issues is not the way to go about it. The focus needs to be on a shift to merit pay, more inter school competition, standardised tests which are actually standardised and not set at the whim of local officials.

>> ^bobknight33:

How fucking selfish. America is going bankrupt and all you want is your piece of Government cheese.
I say cut every program and balance the budget and get out of debt. We created this mess we need to fix this mess which means great sacrifice today so our children and grand children wont get shafted.
Why cant the left see what a predicament this country is in?
US Debt Clock link


Actually bob, it's more like we just want our piece of the pie. We live in a country where my 2 month old son pays more money in taxes than Bank of America, and you're going crazy because public employees want the right to negotiate?

And how do you guys always forget that America started going bankrupt at the end of the Bush administration?

And NOW you're calling for blood...

You're right about one thing though: "A 128K is dept is was over most taxpayers heads." I can't argue with that.

How fucking selfish. America is going bankrupt and all you want is your piece of Government cheese.

I say cut every program and balance the budget and get out of debt. We created this mess we need to fix this mess which means great sacrifice today so our children and grand children wont get shafted.

Why cant the left see what a predicament this country is in?

US Debt Clock link

I just don't see how anyone... ANYONE can be on the side of the conservatives in this debate.

It's EXACTLY as he says in regards to dipshits being in favour of ultra rich being taxed less at the expense of those just scraping by getting shafted.

And they do it even when it directly means they pay more tax.

And why?

Because these dipshits think that one day THEY TOO will earn huge dollars and when they do they don't want it being spent on the poor and destitute like they used to be.

Fucking self centred and moronic dicks.

His anger is justified in my book... rant away sir, rant away.

Music is "13 Angels Standing Guard 'round the Side of Your Bed" from He Has Left Us Alone but Shafts of Light Sometimes Grace the Corner of Our Rooms... by (then) A Silver Mount Zion (now Thee Silver Mt. Zion Memorial Orchestra).

That's a rear wheel drive of course : ) and the propeller shaft is totally fucked I am sure!

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Tarantinesque' to 'pulp fiction, jackie brown, shaft, snakes on a plane, samuel l jackson, motherfucker' - edited by xxovercastxx

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
I'm not condoning the clearly eggregious tactics of some financial houses nowadays... Places pulling shady stunts get no love from me.
But what the heck is with these commentators' attitudes about the borrowers? They talk like people with mortgages bear NO responsibility for keeping track of their accounts. Anyone 'surprised' by a raft of late fees on a mortgage has not checked their account ONCE in at least 2 months. I couldn't sleep nights if I wasn't double checking my account every week.
The banks are being slimy - no questions. But a simple 1-minute check on your account just ONCE a month stops this kind of crap. Are people such helpless, stupid, pathetic sheep now that they can't be expected to even do THAT?


You forget, in America there is a two-way contractual system The bank agrees to loan, taking on all the risks associated with such load. The borrow does the same.

If the bank is shafted, it loses a lot of its investment. If the borrower defauls, he loses his credit score, his house and perhaps can have a default judgment set later...

So, in other words, borrowers say "I will pay, unless i do not, in which case you can penaize me per our contract." Either way, they follow the terms. So, even under default, they still obey the contract.

now, would you loan someone 500 dollars without knowing that person? You say the borrower should check his account, but that is barely his "job: whereas it is the job of the banks.

One would think that a set screw or shaft key has come loose, and instead of the fan pushing itself around the centre shaft, the coils (which are usually on the fan part for centrifugal reasons) are spinning the shaft, which would be holding the magnets.

Big mess of twisted up wires in there I bet. Probably why the lights aren't on.