Glad you realize that human nature is flawed; the "sheriffs" who are supposedly going to clean up the town are also flawed and corruptible, and the last gang anyone should expect to "fix" the excesses of capitalism are anti-capitalists.

BTW, isn't Obama's biggest campaign donor(s) Wall Street?

Liberalism eats its own tail when it demands a government so huge it can supposedly stop any kind of perceived corruption. It ends up a cure worse than the disease.


>> ^Yogi:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Sorry to poop in the punch bowl, but if you take any of these hippies and swap them with the guys in the skyscraper, they'll act exactly the same way and do the same exact things as the originals.

>> ^Sagemind:
This idiot thinks these protesters are organized as a scheme by a political party? - These protesters are a spontaneous uprising. They aren't uprising because they are jealous, they are protesting because they and the public were and are being shafted over and over by the elite wealthy without concern for those they step on.


This is a very VERY Good point and I don't mean that sarcastically. Humans are fucked up, they do fucked up things when you make it EASY for them to do it that way. That's the point of the protest...to have the People oversee the corporations and check their power rather than corporations controlling everything. If the country was more democratic these private tyrannies wouldn't BE ABLE to do things of this sort. So the entire point of these protests is to try and bring a big bright light over the fact that Humans will be Humans...check their fucking power.
Thank you QM you made the best Lefty point in this comment section without knowing it.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Now now, I believe there are many lefty voices who STILL accuse the Tea party of being Fox/Murdoch-sponsored.
Say what you will about Cain, but he's right on this: what do these people want? What do they want to achieve?
Sorry to poop in the punch bowl, but if you take any of these hippies and swap them with the guys in the skyscraper, they'll act exactly the same way and do the same exact things as the originals.

>> ^Sagemind:
This idiot thinks these protesters are organized as a scheme by a political party? - These protesters are a spontaneous uprising. They aren't uprising because they are jealous, they are protesting because they and the public were and are being shafted over and over by the elite wealthy without concern for those they step on.



As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.

http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/

>> ^quantumushroom:

Sorry to poop in the punch bowl, but if you take any of these hippies and swap them with the guys in the skyscraper, they'll act exactly the same way and do the same exact things as the originals.

>> ^Sagemind:
This idiot thinks these protesters are organized as a scheme by a political party? - These protesters are a spontaneous uprising. They aren't uprising because they are jealous, they are protesting because they and the public were and are being shafted over and over by the elite wealthy without concern for those they step on.



This is a very VERY Good point and I don't mean that sarcastically. Humans are fucked up, they do fucked up things when you make it EASY for them to do it that way. That's the point of the protest...to have the People oversee the corporations and check their power rather than corporations controlling everything. If the country was more democratic these private tyrannies wouldn't BE ABLE to do things of this sort. So the entire point of these protests is to try and bring a big bright light over the fact that Humans will be Humans...check their fucking power.

Thank you QM you made the best Lefty point in this comment section without knowing it.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Now now, I believe there are many lefty voices who STILL accuse the Tea party of being Fox/Murdoch-sponsored.
Say what you will about Cain, but he's right on this: what do these people want? What do they want to achieve?
Sorry to poop in the punch bowl, but if you take any of these hippies and swap them with the guys in the skyscraper, they'll act exactly the same way and do the same exact things as the originals.

>> ^Sagemind:
This idiot thinks these protesters are organized as a scheme by a political party? - These protesters are a spontaneous uprising. They aren't uprising because they are jealous, they are protesting because they and the public were and are being shafted over and over by the elite wealthy without concern for those they step on.



To clarify, I'm one of those people on the left who knows that the "Tea Party" protests have been happening for years -- a lot longer than Obama's been President anyways.

What was fake was their explosion post-2009. All of a sudden, the big GOP money groups and media outlets pimped and fluffed the movement, and changed it from a movement largely centered on a Ron Paul-style platform, to a totally straight down the line GOP platform, social issues and all.

What I was mad about was that the media only "discovered" them after they'd been turned into a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican party, and continued to insist they were some sort of brand new, spontaneous, authentic movement, long past the point where it was super obvious that they were astroturf.

Now here's my prediction about the Occupy Wall Street group -- starting today, the media will go back to ignoring them, on the grounds that now they're just a front for Unions and Democratic political organizations. In other words, at the first signs that this protest might align with a broader liberal agenda, they'll go back to dismissing them, either for being astroturf, or simply because they look like dirty fucking hippies.

And yes, this is one of those predictions I hope I'm wrong about, but I kinda doubt it.

Lefty voices don't think the Tea Party is Fox/Murdoch-sponsored: the belief if that Fox and the Tea Party itself are funded by corporations (that top 1% everyone's talking about.) The middle class wants a more responsible system that doesn't simply reward the rich by allowing them to get discounts based on their purchasing power, while the small startup or poor individual is forced into debt for not having the capital in the first place. Go watch Zeitgeist.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Now now, I believe there are many lefty voices who STILL accuse the Tea party of being Fox/Murdoch-sponsored.
Say what you will about Cain, but he's right on this: what do these people want? What do they want to achieve?
Sorry to poop in the punch bowl, but if you take any of these hippies and swap them with the guys in the skyscraper, they'll act exactly the same way and do the same exact things as the originals.

>> ^Sagemind:
This idiot thinks these protesters are organized as a scheme by a political party? - These protesters are a spontaneous uprising. They aren't uprising because they are jealous, they are protesting because they and the public were and are being shafted over and over by the elite wealthy without concern for those they step on.

Now now, I believe there are many lefty voices who STILL accuse the Tea party of being Fox/Murdoch-sponsored.

Say what you will about Cain, but he's right on this: what do these people want? What do they want to achieve?

Sorry to poop in the punch bowl, but if you take any of these hippies and swap them with the guys in the skyscraper, they'll act exactly the same way and do the same exact things as the originals.


>> ^Sagemind:

This idiot thinks these protesters are organized as a scheme by a political party? - These protesters are a spontaneous uprising. They aren't uprising because they are jealous, they are protesting because they and the public were and are being shafted over and over by the elite wealthy without concern for those they step on.

This idiot thinks these protesters are organized as a scheme by a political party? - These protesters are a spontaneous uprising. They aren't uprising because they are jealous, they are protesting because they and the public were and are being shafted over and over by the elite wealthy without concern for those they step on.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Nice shaft work.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

Sorry this isn't getting the votes. I think it is because people need someone to blame, and you can't blame someone who was duped.


Ya, he totally got shafted here. I don't know that I like him that much anyway, but this is pretty shitty any way you cut it.

Guys, if you know anything about fire, it's simple. The elevator shafts caused an updraft of air which turned the fire into a blast furnace. Really it's the same method they've been using to melt steel since the dark ages, but instead of pumping a bellows the air was sucked through the shaft by the heat of the fire.

This is stupidly simple. Stop making up idiotic explanations for what can be explained simply and rationally.

Despite its random flaws, I had a lot of fun with this game. I felt it was well worth the investment.

There were some odd moments though, like in busting through a wall in Detroit and finding two gang members even though the only other way into the room was up an empty elevator shaft with no ladder.

Also, the last boss fight can be essentially skipped due to the laser gun's ability to shoot through glass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma#Friend_or_Foe.3F

Friend or Foe? is a game show that aired from 2002 to 2005 on the Game Show Network in the United States. It is an example of the prisoner's dilemma game tested by real people, but in an artificial setting. On the game show, three pairs of people compete. As each pair is eliminated, it plays a game similar to the prisoner's dilemma to determine how the winnings are split. If they both cooperate (Friend), they share the winnings 50–50. If one cooperates and the other defects (Foe), the defector gets all the winnings and the cooperator gets nothing. If both defect, both leave with nothing. Notice that the payoff matrix is slightly different from the standard one given above, as the payouts for the "both defect" and the "cooperate while the opponent defects" cases are identical. This makes the "both defect" case a weak equilibrium, compared with being a strict equilibrium in the standard prisoner's dilemma. If you know your opponent is going to vote Foe, then your choice does not affect your winnings. In a certain sense, Friend or Foe has a payoff model between prisoner's dilemma and the game of Chicken.

The payoff matrix is
Cooperate Defect
Cooperate 1, 1 0, 2
Defect 2, 0 0, 0

This payoff matrix was later used on the British television programmes Shafted and Golden Balls. The latter show has been analyzed by a team of economists. See: Split or Steal? Cooperative Behavior When the Stakes are Large.

It was also used earlier in the UK Channel 4 gameshow Trust Me, hosted by Nick Bateman, in 2000.

sliding up and down the shaft really gets the job done

Man, about 90% of what he said went completely over my head. The rest I understand thanks to hasty wiki searches. I've long wondered why Consoles with much less grunt can run games smoothly that some top end computers can struggle with...now I know.

From what I've read they are looking to get back to the original Quake style, more gothic than scifi etc. Personally my favorite has always been Quake3Arena, and ofc QuakeLive. Rockets, Rail and Shaft, the movement, the maps and the powerups. Perfect multiplayer game.

>> ^shinyblurry:
You are spiritually joined to whomever you have sex with, forever.


Only if it's anal, Hebrews 13:5 - "And so he shafted her righteously and vigorously as the the holy spirit descended upon him, and in a glorious cum-spray of angelic light they were forever bound to each other, and he paid her, and left."