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If Meat Eaters Acted Like Vegans

eric3579 says...

I'm not quite sure what is"vegan food" but from experience if you give yourself two to three weeks to adjust to a plant based diet you will do yourself a world of good and salads taste amazing after you make the adjustment.

Personally i base my eating habits on my personal health and thus believe a plant based diet is the best way to go (as personal experience has shown me)

However i eat meat these days cuz its what's prepared around the house. However im in poorer health since (cholesterol shot through the roof and i gained back a ton of weight i had lost) ive went from plant based to animal products and more processed foods.

For me diet is all about my health. A friend said the vegans he knows have the worst most unhealthy diets hes ever seen.

I guess being vegan is all about "animal cruelty". I had been under the delusion it was about ones personal health.

ChaosEngine said:

I'm not vegan because vegan food is fucking awful. I'm prepared to live with some animal murder if it means I can avoid tofu.

If Meat Eaters Acted Like Vegans

Mordhaus says...

The simple point is that you are not superior. You have made a lifestyle choice because you wanted to. You have no solid scientific evidence that food animals are fully sentient. Both dogs and pigs routinely fail self-awareness tests, they may be intelligent and able to learn, but they ARE NOT PEOPLE. Vegans want us to believe that eating a pig is tantamount to eating a 3 year old baby, and simply isn't. You are certainly welcome to your opinion on the subject, but that is all.

Now to address your issue with how people treat vegans. I know that I have never went out of my way to lambaste a vegan for choosing to be vegan. I will, and have, severely castigate vegans who start telling me that they are superior to other people because they choose to not eat meat. How can you not see that having the attitude that you are better than someone else because of your choices is not the same manner of thinking that leads to church people condemning people for not following their ethos?

So, let me ask you, how many people have given you shit for being vegan out of the blue? For instance, you were minding your own business and eating a salad, then a person jumped in your face and said "How dare you eat that salad next to me?" I'm willing to bet you might have gotten some gentle ribbing if you went to a friend's barbecue and asked for a vegan option, but I doubt anyone got in your face about it. On the other hand, I have absolutely had more than one vegan get in my face and tell me that I am a murderer and a beast because I ate a hamburger at a desk across from them or sat down at a table with some brisket without making sure it wasn't a 'meat-free' zone.

The sheer chutzpah that most vegans have towards non-vegans is what makes them a target for ridicule. I get it, you think you are better than us, but we wouldn't care if you didn't feel the need to trot it out every five seconds.

transmorpher said:

I'd eat you and your baby in a heart beat if it meant survival for me. But the fact is almost nobody on this planet is currently in that situation, probably never will, and the more people that become vegan, the less likely that is to happen as well.

So yes, people that have made a conscious decision to not do cruel things while they are unnecessary are superior. Just like in the way you don't go around murdering people for shoes right now, even though in the apocalypse you would, makes you a superior person compared with some thug that does that now. You would probably steal food from people that need it, but you aren't doing that now, so you're definitely superior to people that do steal unnecessarily now too. But you don't see anyone telling people who don't steal to get off their high horses.....

There is no humor because the situation is so serious, not because it's puncturing a balloon of superiority. Or do you think that people who opposed concentration camps where simply doing so to feel superior too?
The other thing that makes it totally not funny is because I've heard this ignorant and false stereotype stuff so many times it makes my eyes roll. Vegans are as a diverse group of people as can possibly be, with the only thing in common is their compassion for animals, and care of the environment.

I'm also not a lion or a chimp, I don't copy their other behaviors like throwing poo or licking my own ass, so I don't see why I'd copy their carnivorous behavior either. It's a good thing I have a frontal lobe and can use reason to make decisions based on my understanding of the consequences.

Also while I would eat meat for survival, I would not be eating it for the taste. It sounds to me like you're under the impression that vegans are like ex-heroin addicts, always being tempted by that next hit. It's not like that all, taste buds adjust dramatically over time, in fact they adjust second to second - eat an apple after a swig of soft drink. It'll taste sour. Yet do it before, and the apple is sweet. I honestly find the thought of meat revolting now, just like you would if you had to eat something like a dog or rat. I feel the same way about milk the way you do about drinking human breast milk. I'm not just saying this to be dramatic or superior, I'm saying it to give you an example how easily your taste buds are influenced.

Fisherman gets a big bite

Have Some Fear Salad

JustSaying says...

Nope

nope

Nopedy-nope!

Not clicking that video.

Spiders are bad enough. Just typing the word makes me check that sudden feeling on my leg. Nothing crawling there. For now.

But Salad on top of that? Now you're pushing it...

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Have Some Fear Salad

Have Some Fear Salad

Toddler Playing With Gorilla Toddler at the Columbus Zoo

Xaielao says...

Special for the kid.. not so much for the gorilla who gets to spend the next 35 years locked in a 20x20 ft. room with nothing to do but watch the humans and wait for that next meal that consists of.. salad.

I get it, zoo's do good zoological work, they protect endangered species and (usually) do all they can to make that 35 year stay in a 20 ft. square room something more than the prison that it is.

Party trick: skinning a watermelon

Party trick: skinning a watermelon

Exercise is NOT the Key to Weight Loss

newtboy says...

That's insane. That sounds like a pretty blatantly self serving (and ridiculous) statement for a vegetarian cook to say.
Good meat takes way more proper prep work, you don't just slap it on the grill. I usually marinate meat for hours-days before grilling it, or coat it with dry rub and let it sit for an hour+.
Just read my above post for a totally simple and easy recipe for green beans that works for just about any vegetable you might cook.
Another good one is just pan fry in butter, olive oil, or sesame oil then splash in some soy sauce at the end. Soy/ginger salad dressing can be substituted for soy sauce for more flavor.
For a third simple recipe, lightly pan fry in butter, then add brown sugar and peppers (white, black, cayenne) to candy them. YUM.

eoe said:

As one of my favourite chefs says on her NY vegetarian restaurant webpage:

Anyone can cook a hamburger, leave the vegetables to the professionals.

It's just easier to make meat taste good, but vegetables can be amazing. The rub is that it's just not as easy as throwing meat onto the BBQ.

Exercise is NOT the Key to Weight Loss

Xaielao says...

Wait.. overweight people don't have control of their lives?

Good food isn't necessarily just rabbit food. Organic food for example, tastes wonderful. Yes it's expensive to buy pre-packated organic foods in the grocery store but joining a local co-op or community of organic farmers in your area can save a lot of money.

Cook with raw ingredients, significantly cut prepackaged or fast food/restaurant meals. A lot of things considered unhealthy just a few years ago are being revealed to be very good for you, like butter, whole milk (especially unpasteurized). Meats are fine in moderation, even red meat is really good for you if you reduce over-all consumption of it.

Healthy food can be absolutely delicious, it just takes a bit of prep time and some cooking skill. Eating healthy doesn't mean 24/7 salad with a side of salad.

Why are there dangerous ingredients in vaccines?

ChaosEngine says...

@Sniper007 is the same guy that believes you can cure cancer with salads. I wouldn't put too much stock in his medical advice...

Mordhaus said:

Did you know that the amount of aluminum in a vaccine is so minuscule that, without high levels of aluminum already present in the blood, it is impossible to receive aluminum toxicity from it?

Vaccine related injuries like autism in children or multiple sclerosis in an adult are a myth. The only two cases litigated were not taken before a court, they were taken before an appointed panel that was under great pressure from public sentiment to ignore facts and simply pay out a damage to the 'victims'.

Peer reviewed science proves time and again that the claims being made about vaccines are false. However, a couple of non-mainstream 'doctors' and some idiotic celebrities seem to be influencing the sheeple into ignoring science. I shouldn't be surprised, seeing how people will believe in things like Scientology and fake Moon landings , but until there are FACTS proving vaccines to be the cause of these ills, the benefit outweighs the slim chance of danger.

Since you seem to be on the side of the anti-vaxxers, I would be happy to look at any peer-reviewed studies you can find linking vaccines to autism or other ailments. I will wait until you find one.

Lava Steak

Winning: The Racing Life of Paul Newman

lucky760 says...

I'd assume anyone who's followed car racing at all would know it, but I was talking about the vast majority of people who knew Paul Newman only for his films, salad dressing, and Keurig K-cups.

I've never known anyone who had any idea he was a professional racer... but then of all the comment threads on all the video aggregators on all the Internet, you walked into this one and changed all that.

newtboy said:

I'm afraid that many of those of us interested in car racing know well that Paul Newman is a serious racer, and has been for decades. He's a big deal in the racing community....almost Steve McQueen level.
What was a surprise to me was Patrick Dempsey going to Lemans in 2013, I had no idea he was a serious racer....

http://videosift.com/video/Patrick-Dempsey-Racing-Lemans-Mint-400



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