>> ^radx:

We clocked endless hours on Diablo via DCC. Nothing was as hilarious as a chain-lightning-frenzy down in hell. Blowing through an entire inventory of full mana potions in a minute -- awesome.


DCC from IRC?

Shit. Even though I'd like to pretend that my last reply was an elaborate troll comment and I understood you were pulling my leg from the get go, gotta give it to you, you got me good. Shame on you for that, mister poopie-pants.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
EDD, I am teasing you. And you failed to shame me out of being a dick. Again.
In reply to this comment by EDD:
Well, what I had written previously was rather dumb, something I only realized in retrospect following @<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/Payback" title="member since July 22nd, 2006" class="profilelink">Payback's comment and I wanted to acknowledge that - so I quoted a line from a movie I liked which was delivered by a complete moron of a character. I'll admit I did have qualms about swearing in the comments of a video of Bill Nye, just because I have tremendous amounts of respect for the Science Guy, but otherwise, it was just my way of over-the-top self-deprecating humor. For what it's worth though I'm honestly sorry and saddened if it made you of all people feel uncomfortable :

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Uncalled for.

In reply to this comment by EDD:
>> ^Payback:

>> ^EDD:
>> ^ponceleon:
Bit sad at this video... Bill is looking a bit old.

That's strange, I was looking at him, thinking that he looks exceptionally well for his age.. which is apparently 55, so he's actually younger than I thought

Umm... if he's YOUNGER than you thought, then he's not looking all that great for his age.


you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

EDD, I am teasing you. And you failed to shame me out of being a dick. Again.
In reply to this comment by EDD:
Well, what I had written previously was rather dumb, something I only realized in retrospect following @<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/Payback" title="member since July 22nd, 2006" class="profilelink">Payback's comment and I wanted to acknowledge that - so I quoted a line from a movie I liked which was delivered by a complete moron of a character. I'll admit I did have qualms about swearing in the comments of a video of Bill Nye, just because I have tremendous amounts of respect for the Science Guy, but otherwise, it was just my way of over-the-top self-deprecating humor. For what it's worth though I'm honestly sorry and saddened if it made you of all people feel uncomfortable :

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Uncalled for.

In reply to this comment by EDD:
>> ^Payback:

>> ^EDD:
>> ^ponceleon:
Bit sad at this video... Bill is looking a bit old.

That's strange, I was looking at him, thinking that he looks exceptionally well for his age.. which is apparently 55, so he's actually younger than I thought

Umm... if he's YOUNGER than you thought, then he's not looking all that great for his age.


you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

Well, what I had written previously was rather dumb, something I only realized in retrospect following @Payback's comment and I wanted to acknowledge that - so I quoted a line from a movie I liked which was delivered by a complete moron of a character. I'll admit I did have qualms about swearing in the comments of a video of Bill Nye, just because I have tremendous amounts of respect for the Science Guy, but otherwise, it was just my way of over-the-top self-deprecating humor. For what it's worth though I'm honestly sorry and saddened if it made you of all people feel uncomfortable

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Uncalled for.

In reply to this comment by EDD:
>> ^Payback:

>> ^EDD:
>> ^ponceleon:
Bit sad at this video... Bill is looking a bit old.

That's strange, I was looking at him, thinking that he looks exceptionally well for his age.. which is apparently 55, so he's actually younger than I thought

Umm... if he's YOUNGER than you thought, then he's not looking all that great for his age.


you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^Duckman33:
I've dug plenty deep. I already know that people were trying to warn of the attacks coming, that's old news. So then why lie about it in a press conference? You know, that part where we were lied to by Condie Rice, etc. When they knew fair and well they had conceived that very scenario?
President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and other White House officials have consistently denied knowing about the 9/11 plot or receiving information that (or even imagining that) commercial aircraft could be used as weapons. For example, Bush said repeatedly there were no warnings of any kind ... “Never in anybody’s thought process ... about how to protect America did we ever think the evil doers would fly not one but four commercial aircraft into precious US targets ... never.”
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said that “the President did not – not – receive information about the use of airplanes as missiles by suicide bombers ... Until this attack took place, I think it’s fair to say that no one envisioned that as a possibility.”
Then National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said: “I don’t think that anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile ... even in retrospect there was nothing to suggest that.”
I don't care about the buildings anymore, that's all been "debunked" for the most part.
Like I've said to you before, you can quote all you want from information you find on the interwebs, that doesn't make it any more or less true than anything I can Google and quote. There's a lot more to 9/11 than just the buildings coming down, there's a lot of lies, repeated lies in fact. A lot of denial and finger pointing. And a lot of convenient "failures of the system". Whether you like it or not, or want to admit it or not there is something fishy going on here. But hey, I'm just a crackpot, loonie conspiracy theorist. What do I know, right? I should be a good robot and always implicitly trust people that lie to me on a continual basis, that way I don't have to face an ugly truth, or facts, or think for myself.

Oh for heavens sakes, your acting like discovering that politicians spin things and choose their wording carefully and to their own benefit is a discovery you've made through some stroke of genius.
Politicians will use the truth to deceive and trick the public as long as it's in their own interest, and if it's better to lie they'll do that to. That's not news, it's not a conspiracy, it's common knowledge.
So you seem to accept that an Afghan leader was warning of a 'major attack'(no mention of airplanes, just a major attack) leading up to 9/11. You don't act like his assassination on the 10th of September was a surprise either. What is surprising is your quotes you throw out thinking that officials were unaware or lying about this. EVERY quote you gave specifically states there was no idea that civilian aircraft would be used as missiles in an attack. Remembering that politicians are deceitful monsters, you'll notice they do NOT deny having warnings of an impending Al Qaeda attack. In fact, multiple official reports, investigations, and even Bin Laden's own public statements all make it very clear there were warnings of pending attack from Bin Laden's organization. The only denial in your quotes is specifically to the method.
Sorry, your whole act depends on people being either ignorant of the facts or shocked that politicians might hedge and be dodgy in their answers on a massively political topic...


No I'm not, I'm questioning why they felt had to lie about this. That is all. Don't put words in my mouth, or even try to think you know what motivates me please.

So, if you think that collaborating to bend the truth to deceive and trick the public to achieve a common goal is not a conspiracy I suggest you read up on the definition of what a conspiracy is. Just because I use the word "conspiracy" does not mean I'm referring to some wild, far fetched and unbelievable scenario. That's not always what a conspiracy is, that's what the general public has come to think of what a conspiracy is due to people like you that apply the most extreme definition to the word. Just like a UFO is not necessarily an alien space craft. It's that due to society, and per-conceived notions, most people automatically think of alien space ships when someone refers to seeing a UFO.

Sorry, you're smug little, "I know all the facts, and you are delusional" act is a joke. Yeah, you are far more superior to us "conspiracy nuts".

Oh, where did I say anything about Bush being in bed with Bin Laden or planting explosives in the towers? Why is it that once someone talks about a conspiracy they are automatically "crazy"? Not all of us believe what the fringe is trying to sell, my friend. But we also don't believe what is being force fed down our throats either.

>> ^Duckman33:

I've dug plenty deep. I already know that people were trying to warn of the attacks coming, that's old news. So then why lie about it in a press conference? You know, that part where we were lied to by Condie Rice, etc. When they knew fair and well they had conceived that very scenario?
President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and other White House officials have consistently denied knowing about the 9/11 plot or receiving information that (or even imagining that) commercial aircraft could be used as weapons. For example, Bush said repeatedly there were no warnings of any kind ... “Never in anybody’s thought process ... about how to protect America did we ever think the evil doers would fly not one but four commercial aircraft into precious US targets ... never.”
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said that “the President did not – not – receive information about the use of airplanes as missiles by suicide bombers ... Until this attack took place, I think it’s fair to say that no one envisioned that as a possibility.”
Then National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said: “I don’t think that anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile ... even in retrospect there was nothing to suggest that.”
I don't care about the buildings anymore, that's all been "debunked" for the most part.
Like I've said to you before, you can quote all you want from information you find on the interwebs, that doesn't make it any more or less true than anything I can Google and quote. There's a lot more to 9/11 than just the buildings coming down, there's a lot of lies, repeated lies in fact. A lot of denial and finger pointing. And a lot of convenient "failures of the system". Whether you like it or not, or want to admit it or not there is something fishy going on here. But hey, I'm just a crackpot, loonie conspiracy theorist. What do I know, right? I should be a good robot and always implicitly trust people that lie to me on a continual basis, that way I don't have to face an ugly truth, or facts, or think for myself.


Oh for heavens sakes, your acting like discovering that politicians spin things and choose their wording carefully and to their own benefit is a discovery you've made through some stroke of genius.

Politicians will use the truth to deceive and trick the public as long as it's in their own interest, and if it's better to lie they'll do that to. That's not news, it's not a conspiracy, it's common knowledge.

So you seem to accept that an Afghan leader was warning of a 'major attack'(no mention of airplanes, just a major attack) leading up to 9/11. You don't act like his assassination on the 10th of September was a surprise either. What is surprising is your quotes you throw out thinking that officials were unaware or lying about this. EVERY quote you gave specifically states there was no idea that civilian aircraft would be used as missiles in an attack. Remembering that politicians are deceitful monsters, you'll notice they do NOT deny having warnings of an impending Al Qaeda attack. In fact, multiple official reports, investigations, and even Bin Laden's own public statements all make it very clear there were warnings of pending attack from Bin Laden's organization. The only denial in your quotes is specifically to the method.

Sorry, your whole act depends on people being either ignorant of the facts or shocked that politicians might hedge and be dodgy in their answers on a massively political topic...

I've dug plenty deep. I already know that people were trying to warn of the attacks coming, that's old news. So then why lie about it in a press conference? You know, that part where we were lied to by Condie Rice, etc. When they knew fair and well they had conceived that very scenario?

President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and other White House officials have consistently denied knowing about the 9/11 plot or receiving information that (or even imagining that) commercial aircraft could be used as weapons. For example, Bush said repeatedly there were no warnings of any kind ... “Never in anybody’s thought process ... about how to protect America did we ever think the evil doers would fly not one but four commercial aircraft into precious US targets ... never.”

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said that “the President did not – not – receive information about the use of airplanes as missiles by suicide bombers ... Until this attack took place, I think it’s fair to say that no one envisioned that as a possibility.”

Then National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said: “I don’t think that anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile ... even in retrospect there was nothing to suggest that.”

I don't care about the buildings anymore, that's all been "debunked" for the most part.

Like I've said to you before, you can quote all you want from information you find on the interwebs, that doesn't make it any more or less true than anything I can Google and quote. There's a lot more to 9/11 than just the buildings coming down, there's a lot of lies, repeated lies in fact. A lot of denial and finger pointing. And a lot of convenient "failures of the system". Whether you like it or not, or want to admit it or not there is something fishy going on here. But hey, I'm just a crackpot, loonie conspiracy theorist. What do I know, right? I should be a good robot and always implicitly trust people that lie to me on a continual basis, that way I don't have to face an ugly truth, or facts, or think for myself.

Who will watch the watchmen?

Apparently a comedian on a cable show that parodies other news shows.

... seems so obvious in retrospect.

>> ^hpqp:

Every action has some form of motivation, even a psycho's mass murdering spree; it's all good and fine to look for it, but in the meanwhile it's the protective action that counts, something the police force in GB took ages to do. As for the "bonehead militias", most of them were simply groups of neighbours and friends trying their best to protect their livelihoods. Most of them were immigrants who had worked hard to build a life for themselves abroad, only to find everything ruined because of unruly misguided youths high on violence.
As for blaming the violence on the bad decisions concerning social services, I beg to differ. Look at the protests/riots in Greece, Spain, etc. All of them had major peacefull counterparts, with actual demands being made. It's not like the so-called "disenfranchised youths" (and they were not all poor, nor young btw) of London and elsewhere did not have recent examples of protests that did not involve using social networking to best loot the fashion shop, and burning people's homes (Arab Spring anyone?).
I agree about the ridiculous consummer identity we have going on in society... "you are what you buy" really sickens me to the bone. As does the corporate criminels going on with their billionaire, society-crushing lifestyles. But is it possible to send a more counterproductive message than the one we've seen in England?
p.s.: what's and ASPO?
Judging by the public statements of officials, the "protective action" is bound to overshoot. Like I said, pillories, assembly-line-justice, the calls for harsher sentences, the calls to have the rioters' housing/benefits stripped, the thought of using the military -- civil liberties are put on notice, and that's putting it mildly. Let the rozzers do their job within the regular frame of the law, play it by the book, don't give them any reason whatsoever for another backlash. Take the kettle off the stove. Forcing a lid on the spout will only make matters worse sooner than later.


As for the Greece/Spain comparison, I would like to submit this: UNICEF 2007: An overview of child well-being in rich countries. Prior to the economic meltdown, Greece and Spain were paradise for kids, compared to the UK. I wouldn't dare to make comparisons nowadays, not with 40%+ youth unemployment in Spain and Greece. But it's clear that the UK has been growing worse over years and years. The lid was bound to blow someday. I figured it would be mass protests, nonviolent ones I might add. I certainly didn't see it taking the shape it has, but in retrospect, signs were abundant -- and ignored. The alarming streak of suicides among kids in recent years alone should have been more than enough.

These are long-term developments, long-term failures, not just the recent cuts. But they sure as hell didn't help, and neither does the prospect of even more cuts down the road. Small example: youth centers are closed down, so now you have kids bored out of their minds who are not allowed to loiter (see: ASBO).

That's what I meant when I said disenfranchised. The state has been on the retreat since Thatcher, the educational system is focused on testing, intolerance for kids in public places has been on the rise for decades and the social gap is wider than anywhere else in Europe. So the ones who drew the short straw are fucked. And so are their children. And theirs, until the cycle is broken. Look at the UN report, page 22: "Relationships" and page 26: "Behaviour and Risks". That doesn't appear overnight, it's at least two generations of failure. No stable relationships, no communities, no values, no respect, no prospect.

As for ASPOs: that's a typo. Or more precisely, a brain failure, because typing a P instead of a B is not an error I can blame on my fingers.

ASBO or anti-social behaviour order is the tool of choice to stop kids from loitering. Anywhere. The street, the park, the yard, the staircase, you name it. It is the formalized dislike for children in the public space. There are, of course, reasonable uses for it, but in certain areas it is used to harass kids. At least it was, no idea if it still is.

Quasi ein Platzverweis, der keines Anlasses benötigt.

>> ^mizila:

Damned shame. The people around her should be ashamed, if not criminally charged. Welcome to the 27 Club Amy. R.I.P.
"Tried to make me go to rehab, and I said, 'No. No. No.'" - Amy Winehouse


In retrospect, No was probably the wrong answer.

Does that make this EIA?

Before dismissing me as an insensitive jerk, how many Syrians were shot and killed while protesting for democracy since her death, and with no fanfare.

LOL. This is funny. The city of Rochester won't stand for this. I suspect Louise Slaughter will get involved.

To be fair to the cops in the original video, I spent 8 years in Rochester, and if I recognize the neighborhood, it's the one I lived in. Most people don't realize this, but Rochester isn't exactly green acres. It has a substantially higher murder rate than NYC, active gang populations, drug running, the whole nine yards. As often accompanies that sort of activity, neighborhoods such as the 19th ward, where I used to live, have a pronounced anti-cop attitude. If I were doing an arrest there, at night, I'd rather not have people snooping around. Those stoops know you by your badge number. There were multiple murders/muggings/burglaries in the neighborhood while I was there, including a drive-by my friend witnessed right up the street. I could even tell you the story about how I naively offered the "mayor of the 19th ward" (the head of the crips) a ride home. He introduced me to all his "nephs" that would proceed to hand him bigger rolls of cash than I've ever seen, brought me to the crack house up the street where the toothless dude living in a closet was "saving up for a sandwich, but would buy some bags to lick if he had any," and finally explained to me that when he called me "cool as a bitch" it was a good thing, because he fought dogs, and "ain't no dog gonna fight longer and harder for you than a pit bitch." He further explained, "if somebody says 'you gonna die bitch,' that's not the bitch you want to be." Then there was the part where he tried to offer me car parts, bulletproof vests, guns, drugs, girls, you name it.

That said, clearly there are much better uses of officer resources in that city than curb-distance parking citations.

Also, this isn't in keeping with their typical attitude surrounding activism. When the Iraq war broke out, I worked with a group of radicals organizing anti-war protests. We had protests every week on Fridays leading up to, and into the beginning of the war for months. We shut down the streets in front of the federal offices downtown with about 500-1000 people routinely, and really were pretty obnoxious to the cops in retrospect (doing things like changing our route so they couldn't keep us out of the streets, and yelling in their faces with a megaphone). While we had our own "special investigator" nothing ever really came of it. They let us say our piece, do our CD, and didn't even arrest us for it. They'd talk big, but honestly, given our attitude at the time, they could have been much less civil than they were. Although, how they treat the college kids, and how they treat the bangers in the hood at night is a different ballgame.

hahaha flail...part of that "ready, shoot, aim" logic>> ^shinyblurry:

i believe these are duplicated in the individual video..admittedly when i posted this i thought all of them might have been from the same cut, so in retrospect its not that great an example..but i mean, just look into her eyes..or dont because its scary, but its clear she is trying to drill this into peoples minds through hypnotic suggestion
>> ^Drax:
>> ^shinyblurry:
which was obviously edited for different audiences
But if it's edited for different audiances, then there's no mind control through repitition to the viewer.. wasn't that the whole point of the video?

i believe these are duplicated in the individual video..admittedly when i posted this i thought all of them might have been from the same cut, so in retrospect its not that great an example..but i mean, just look into her eyes..or dont because its scary, but its clear she is trying to drill this into peoples minds through hypnotic suggestion

>> ^Drax:
>> ^shinyblurry:
which was obviously edited for different audiences
But if it's edited for different audiances, then there's no mind control through repitition to the viewer.. wasn't that the whole point of the video?

>> ^Shepppard:

>> ^smooman:
>> ^raverman:
Both Knights of the Old Republic games were such awesome awesome games...
But the last Star Wars Galaxies MMO was horrendously craptastic and buggy.
I'm conflicted.... can this be as good as it looks?

the last star wars mmo (SWG) was awesome for its first two years or so. then sony online entertainment (the developers) decided to remake the game entirely in the middle of it and made it the shitty game it is now. SWTOR is being produced and developed by bioware, their reputation speaks for itself

Actually, If I remember right, SOE bought the rights from the original developers, and after that made the changes. That's why it went in such a decline. They decided things like everybody can be a Jedi, and dumbed them down a bit. On paper it wass a good idea, but in reality one of the coolest things that game had to offer was getting to a certain point and becoming "Force Sensative" allowing your character to become a Jedi. Sure they were a tad OP but that's because they only had one life, and once the jedi was dead, it was dead, so you got really attached to your character.
As for the original question, as long as a game company like SOE doesn't take over, and Bioware stays in charge, I trust them.


nah, soe were the only developers. the differences between the game pre new game enhancement (NGE patch) and post nge were night and day. When swg launched and until the CU patch in 2005 it was the fastest growing mmo on the market. the cu saw a bit a decline but the final nail in the coffin was the nge and the shitstorm surrounding it. you had a unique and versatile profession based system where you could mix and match skills from 32 professions to make your "class". This was changed literally overnight with the nge, wiping the old profession system for a traditional class based system. many professions of the old game were not even represented in the new class system until about a year after the nge, namely the creature handler profession, one of the most fun and rewarding.

further adding to the controversy you had the trials of obi wan expansion that was released just two days prior to the nge, which, after the nge hit, a large portion of the player base demanded a refund on the expansion (which sony gave them eventually).

to sum it up, smedley, the president of soe, basically told the players what they want, despite massive protests that we didnt want any of that shit. today you have the ghost town of a game that swg sadly is.

i started playing shortly after launch and played through about 6 months or so after the nge. it was an amazing and unique game starting out but is garbage now. soe's lesson learned: dont fix what isnt broken


ps: permadeath was three deaths not one and that didnt last very long. after that it was xp loss. and jedi were op (pre nge anyway) primarily because of lore continuity and for the more practical reason: it took almost a year to grind one out in both the hologrind and the village grind (took me about 10 months playing everyday to unlock mine via the village grind)

in retrospect, any mmo that installs an alpha class (jedi for swg) its bound to break the game eventually but really, if you think about it, it only really breaks pvp

Lol QM!

So some public prosecutor is going to be arguing, on your tax dollar, at massive expense at the supreme court if necessary, the difference between hugging and dancing! (In the case of the couple). Don't think that's insanely childish and absurd?

dancing(Verb)
1. Move rhythmically to music, typically following a set sequence of steps.
2. Perform (a particular dance or a role in a ballet).

No music therefore they will fail, and a wrongful arrest claim will follow, followed by a payout, again of your money.
The whole episode will in retrospect be a very expensive, bloody minded excuse for a guy in a bicycle helmet to get his jollies. And I do mean expensive, like maybe 20 cops annual salaries for starters. Potentially way more if anyone got injured as it becomes a constitutional issue -because trust me the SC won't rule against Jefferson in his own memorial.


     “I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”
 Thomas Jefferson