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Police, Lies, Videoptape - Unlawful Arrest of Protester

robbersdog49 says...

The police can only require he take a test if there is reasonable suspicion. The policeman was making this up, and so had no right to ask him to take the test.

It's the same as if they turn up at your house without a warrant. They can ask to come in but you have no reason to let them. With the warrant you have no right to stop them. The reasonable suspicion works the same way, without it they have no right to require you to take the test.

This is why it all fell apart for them, they had no reasonable suspicion so they couldn't require him to take the test.

If they came across the owner of a car which had crashed obviously smelling of booze but just walking down the road, as he's the owner of the car and near it when it crashed they'd have a reasonable suspicion that he was driving it drunk. They'd have good reason to require a breath test.

This reasonable suspicion requirement is to stop the police doing precisely what you see in this video. It's a requirement put in place to protect the rights of innocent people, and it seems ultimately in this case it worked.

The police do not have the right to do whatever they want, and they sure as hell shouldn't act like they do.

Again, refusing the roadside test and asking for a more accurate blood test can get you out of a ban or a fine, but the roadside tests aren't accurate enough to be relied upon and so being able to ask for a more accurate test stops innocent people being convicted wrongly.

A lot of people seem to have an issue with stuff like this but in my opinion the protection of the innocent is more important than catching the guilty.

RunRabbitRun said:

And this is retarded. If i'm drunk and run over your family, and get out of the car before the police get there it doesn't mean I can go nerr nerr nerr i'm a pedestrian i'm not driving, nerrr.

You can get yourself out of a ban and many people do by getting out of the roadside test, and hoping the alcohol levels drop before the station test.

It is an offense to refuse to give a sample, the guy in the video could have been charged with it as the suspicion of driving is enough, however it's a charge the police rarely use.

Police, Lies, Videoptape - Unlawful Arrest of Protester

RunRabbitRun says...

Why didn't he just give a breath test? The cunning police plan would have fallen apart then, the policeman must have predicted he'd be an arsehole. Why didn't he demand a breath test at the station, to show he was being fitted up? Because he was pissed that's why.

Police, Lies, Videoptape - Unlawful Arrest of Protester

Guy Beats DUI Checkpoint With Silence

robbersdog49 says...

Because most people don't realise they can just roll through. By doing things like this you're re-enforcing people's idea that they have to stop and do whatever a policeman tells you. They're training people to be obedient.

And if you've done nothing wrong what's the problem eh?

ChaosEngine said:

I still don't get this.

What is the point of setting up a checkpoint if people are allowed to just drive through it? In NZ, and most other countries, it is illegal to refuse a breath test if you are stopped at a checkpoint.

Based on this video, someone could be wasted drunk, and cruise through a checkpoint by just refusing to co-operate. That's just fucking stupid.

Police perform illegal house-to-house raids in Boston

Fletch says...

Are you fucking high? I can't believe some of the stupidity coming from some of you people. This is even dumber than the ridiculous tack of @eric3579's comments (although I haven't read further than this comment yet, so maybe he pulled his head out later. EDIT: Nope!).

Bombing suspects weren't enough of a threat?!?! You mean the bombing suspects who detonated two bombs during the marathon, executed an MIT policeman while he sat in his car, committed a carjacking and didn't kill the driver only because he wasn't an American, then engaged Boston police in a car chase and gun battle during which they threw several explosives, and one of the "suspects" ran over his own fucking brother so he could get away? Those bombing suspects? "Just isn't any way" they were enough of a threat?

Look, I've been very vocal about my hatred of police, and it pisses me off to see the citizens of Boston engage in the pathetically effusive hero-worship of police who were just doing what taxpayers pay them to do, but this whole argument that the warrantless searching of homes in an area police believed the remaining suspect to be hiding is just daft and has NO MERIT, not unlike the suspicion that this was some sort of compliance test on the populace that @newtboy "heard some say", which is firmly in Alex Jones/Glenn Beck thousand-yarder territory. Maybe the government just really wanted to get into a few homes and look around without warrants, and the best idea they could come up with was to blow some people up, eh? What sorts of secrets do you think were surreptitiously gleaned from those searched homes that would justify such a huge and deadly ruse? Maybe they just wanted to find out if residents in a search area for an extremely and demonstrably violent suspect would be stupid enough to resist efforts to actually locate and apprehend him. Compliance test... give me a fucking break.

You believe the police should have whittled the the search area down to a single home, got a warrant, and then knocked on the door with their guns holstered? Do you also believe that the police can read minds, or have powers of perception that the rest of us don't? Maybe you think the movies are accurate, and anything that happens anywhere can be played back in HD by the police because some super-secret satellite gets it on video. They're dicks, but they don't have superpowers and can't know everything with certainty, and I think they did a good job in a relatively short period of time of homing in and getting those assholes. What I find amazing is the criticism being leveled at them for doing exactly what they were supposed to do. If I'm being held against my will by someone who just blew up a marathon, killed a cop, and ran over his own brother to get away, the cops sure as shit better be actively searching my neighborhood, and not holding back for lack of warrants or knowledge of exactly which house he's in.

Other people here have tried to explain what exigant circumstances are, and why they most definitely applied in this case, but some of you just prefer to see bogeymen everywhere. Maybe you need to, for some reason.

grinter said:

There just isn't any way that the bombing suspects represented enough of a threat to warrant door to door searches at gunpoint. This is even clearer than the post 9/11 'torture' debate... and that was pretty clear.
If the police really had probable cause to enter those homes, then they would have walked out of each of them with a man in handcuffs.

Police perform illegal house-to-house raids in Boston

coolhund says...

I had tears in my eyes watching this. Unbelievable.
But the most shocking is that some people would have actually blamed the people in the house if a policeman would have shot them for taking the hands down...

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Hamster Trolls Policeman

Bizarre Standoff Between LAPD & Nitrous Junkie & Balloons

chingalera says...

Oh, but we're too fast for the criminally insane-Are you angry at my apparent disdain for police?
I do not believe that you come out of the police force with the same morality, empathy, or humanity when you joined the academy. At some point as a United States policeman, you will be expected to compromise ethics and humanity, you will be tainted by the very nature of what the profession has become.
Then again, a large majority of hind-brained, low-intellect control-freak fucks join the force, and for that there should be more public inquiry and standards established for who is allowed to become a storm trooper....because, that's where this country is headed, along with private security everywhere-Douchbags running the show.

Who knows, maybe I'll get mashed between an interior wall and a SOFA the next time the house is driven into by someone on nitrous
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TheSofaKing said:

Hopefully you're the one he runs over next time.

People Are Awesome 2013

chilaxe says...

This video is glorifying stunts like jumping over cars.

It seems reasonable to say it's intellectually simplistic to glorify those things instead of glorifying people like Turing, who contributed far more to the world.

Skills that contribute to society, like being a policeman or plumber, aren't being criticized here.

poolcleaner said:

Until your life is threatened and your career means nothing, requiring people with physical skills to free you.

QI - Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Payback says...

On the British Science Fiction show, "Doctor Who", the Daleks are the main character's worst enemy. They are small amoeba-like creatures who've created large garbage can-like robo-suits to move around so they can kill everyone else in the Universe. Their movement is not unlike a covered Segway scooter. Stairs are impossible without CGI.

The joke being a horse-mounted policeman would have similar problems navigating a small apartment as a Dalek.

st0nedeye said:

da fuck is a dalek?

Retarded Policeman - Episode 1

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Does the Universe Have a Purpose? feat. Neil deGrasse Tyson

MonkeySpank says...

Ok,
I have been pondering this same question for the last two years; mainly reading about the earliest recorded events of humanity and focusing on the science that led to where we are today; Obviously, anything earlier than Planck Time cannot be resolved scientifically, so there's a leap of faith there just like with religion.
One of the major discoveries I stumbled into is that religion exploded around the same time human cuneiform (writing) was invented. The oldest and most prolonging religion from panbabylonism is Mesopotanian Religion which extended from 4200 B.C. to 600 A.D. Religion's first and foremost goal was self-governance; in other words, since the lawmakers couldn't watch you all the time, they figured out a way to make a policeman within you, they called him God. He knows if you've been good or bad, so be good for goodness sake!
On the topic of the universe itself, logic dictates that as humans, our limbs and torso are mostly there to supply the brain with energy; extrapolating this a few billions years (and assuming we can survive that long), we could end up with no limbs at all. There is also the strong craving for putting more and more information in smaller and smaller space; Again, extreme extrapolation would dictate that over infinite time, the universe would be filled with smaller replicas of itself where the golden ratio of sufficient universal information vs space volume proliferated across time-space might indeed bring the universe online. The ultimate no-reservations goal of the universe would be for it to become self-aware...

All I have said here is in direct contradiction with information loss from black holes, and the big freeze, but I like to think this way as a Gedankenexperiment. I don't necessarily believe what I say, and I'd like to hear other sifter's thoughts about what they think is the role of the universe.



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