I haven't pushed play on this video yet, but based on the thumbnail alone I think that mascot's lucky not to have gotten a face full of fist.

Does anyone else do this? Find a video you just don't want to watch because you know it'll just irritate you (religion/atheism arguments, political spinmongers, police abuse of power) but read through the comments and see if you can get the gist?

Furthermore these men were AP accredited news men sent there to do their job and were in no way endangering the public by doing so. Therefore your quote by Mark Twain does not apply in this situation. The tag should more accurately read "Police Abuse of Power".
>> ^DrewNumberTwo:

Meh, the courts will sort this one out. The cop was right, though, that even though the First Amendment does offer protection, it does not offer complete and total protection. You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater, etc. The tag of Police Abuse is hyperbole.

>> ^DrewNumberTwo:

Meh, the courts will sort this one out. The cop was right, though, that even though the First Amendment does offer protection, it does not offer complete and total protection. You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater, etc. The tag of Police Abuse is hyperbole.


Hyperbole is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.


-- I meant Police Abuse tag in a purely literal sense. If you don't think clear violations of the 14th and 8th amendments warrant the Police Abuse tag then I don't think I could ever convince you how grievous of a violation you just witnessed.

These guys were lucky that they were backed up by their news organizations and that others were filming the event.

Meh, the courts will sort this one out. The cop was right, though, that even though the First Amendment does offer protection, it does not offer complete and total protection. You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater, etc. The tag of Police Abuse is hyperbole.

This video has been seconded as a duplicate; transferring votes to the original video and killing this dupe - dupeof seconded with isdupe by Fletch.

>> ^jonny:

If it's not considered a dupe of the above mentioned vid, it is an exact dupe of this one.

On second thought, the best way to do this is (but I don't know if it will work right now):
dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/A-Country-that-Stands-up-for-its-people-Police-Abuse

Does the last dupeof in a thread override earlier dupeofs?

This video has been nominated as a duplicate of this video by jonny. If this nomination is seconded with *isdupe, the video will be killed and its votes transferred to the original.

If it's not considered a dupe of the above mentioned vid, it is an exact dupe of this one.


On second thought, the best way to do this is (but I don't know if it will work right now):

*dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/A-Country-that-Stands-up-for-its-people-Police-Abuse

Justice for everybody or justice for nobody, is how I feel. The lamentations of the classes of people who heretofore were exempt from police abuse strikes me cold.

>> ^NaMeCaF:

Heh. If you've got nothing to hide, why not just let them do their job?
Fine, if you dont want to let them search, then you can't ever complain that the cops aren't doing their jobs and getting drugs and weapons off the street.


"Heh. If you've got nothing to hide, why not just let them do their job?"

You need rules and indaviduals need protection from police abusing there power you don't want to be constantly searched all the time do you ? You realise the ultimate point of laws and the police is so a society can function not so that people can be arrested and go to jail ?

"if you dont want to let them search, then you can't ever complain that the cops aren't doing their jobs and getting drugs and weapons off the street."

Well they are not doing there jobs if they are searching someone without probably cause or picking off random people to try and meat arrest quotas. Where do you stop would you like it so that we have to show papers to cops every place you go ? You realise the importance of inosent until proven guilty ?

"you can't ever complain that the cops aren't doing their jobs and getting drugs and weapons off the street"

Yes you can there is no causal link between cops randomly searching people and reducing the amount of drugs and weapons on the street as a whole. In fact research has shown that the more aggressive policing and penalties for drugs have increased the prevalence of drugs. ( just Google it and do some research )

Socities that have reduced crimiunal sentancing for drug possession and use and instead implemented mandatory rehabilitation have seen a massive reduction in drug use and crime.

So its perfectly reasonable to refuse a cop to do something In reality they should not even be asking they are themselves exploiting the good will of people that don't know the law. A cop asking to search your car is the equivilent of a random person knocking on your front door and saying hello would you mind if I look around the inside of your house ? if you say yes then they have permission and its not an intrusion if you say no then they cannot come in without braking trespassing laws. Just because that person is waring a random uniform does not suddenly change that , they still need permission from a court or from laws that say if there is probable cause they have a default permission to search.

In the same way that if I see your house on fire and someone screaming inside its not likely I would get done for trespassing ( if that person later complained) as I have a good solid legally supported reason to trespass on that property.

Well, maybe the asshole in the video has been on the receiving end of police abuse once too often. Do you have a detector to tell when officer friendly doesn't have ulterior motives? I'd sure like to have one of those. Until then, I will assume that cops are looking to score an arrest, so I will act appropriately, but politely towards them.

What he did was entirely within his rights, he was polite to the cops, and the encounter didn't take up much time at all. Good on him.>> ^Sylvester_Ink:

You know what, forget this. I'm sick of people thinking they're big damn heroes by giving cops who are doing their jobs a hard time. Yes there are cops out there who are abusive, but when they're just trying to do their jobs and keep people safe, this kind of thing is just downright idiocy. Sorry, but I'm downvoting this as I do not think that douchebaggery makes a video siftworthy.

@quantumushroom If facts are so important to you, then why is it that you never employ them while making implausible comments like liberalism causes black people to have babies out of wedlock, or that gays don't want equal marriage rights, or that California is broke because of liberalism.

You proudly admit to getting your media from questionable, corporate funded sources that a) carry no credibility outside of hardcore sympathetic ideologues, and b) have been shown to be less effective at keeping you informed than no media at all. This should be a big red flag.

http://www.good.is/post/poll-finds-fox-news-is-worse-than-no-news-at-all/

Beyond all this, you support a political ideology that has been on the wrong side of history, from slavery to women's rights to civil rights, to labor rights, and continuing with campaigns against gays, Muslims and Mexicans, as well as a continuation of the prejudices of old.

Do you ever wonder how regular German citizens got sucked into supporting fascism? Well wonder no more.

Let's take a look at the 14 defining characteristics of fascism and see how you do....

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

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2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

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3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

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4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

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5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

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6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

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7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

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8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

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9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

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10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

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11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

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12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

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13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

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14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

I've seen nothing to suggest you support fraudulent elections.

13 out of 14. NOT GOOD DUDE. NOT GOOD AT ALL. You are free to dispute which ever ones you like, but you've got years of incriminating comments on this site to back this up.

But of course if you could see it, then the Germans would have been able to see it too, and we wouldn't have had to fight that war.



In reply to this comment by quantumushroom:
My problem is only with intellectual dishonesty, whether it's via curable ignorance or deliberate deception is almost irrelevant.

I've been where you are now politically, only LONG ago. I worked my way UP from liberalism, wiped the slate clean with anarchism, aimed toward libertarianism and am now floating in the undefined, invisible world of 'conservatarianism'. I do not agree with liberal policies based on liberals' good intentions. As a taxpayer and citizen, I demand positive RESULTS, and anyone foisting social experiments on society better be ready to defend them when they fail. Do you know the stats on Black crime and births out of wedlock? "Racism" did not cause a 70% illegitimacy rate in the Black community, LIBERALISM did. Crazy Johnson's "Great Society" garbage. The results of holding Blacks to lower standards--including standards of behavior--is self-evident.

There is even a fair argument for gay marriage, but the gay "lifestyle" generally is a sad one, with rampant promiscuity and diseases. It's not established that most gays even want legal marriage. And though no one else cares to acknowledge it, AIDS is a behaviorally spread disease. Remember that the billions politically steered towards AIDS research could also have been spent on cancer research, and cancer affects FAR more people.

California is broke. It got that way due to liberalism. RESULTS. Not good intentions, RESULTS.

You have a right to your opinions, but no one has the right to their own facts. If I had to judge you, I would say you're highly intelligent but misguided, not because your political views don't mirror mine, but because you refuse to step back and view the entire picture.


>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

The bottom line is that your problem with gays, blacks and other minorities is just that: your problem. It's not their fault that they have ended up on the wrong side of your emotional development. It's something you need to come to terms with on your own.

>> ^Esoog:

>> ^robbersdog49:
It really boils my piss when the police abuse their positions and speed like that. He was an irritating person, but did the right thing calling the cop out. You should be able to do that, they work for you, not the other way round.

There was nothing about what that douche bag did that was right. Which is more dangerous? A police officer that probably has way more driving training, or this moron that's driving 90+ while trying to film it all at the same time? The cop should have given this idiot a sobriety test.
Then to block him in while he's trying to get back to work? "They work for you"? Well tha'ts a big ass waste of time and resources, "boss".
I didnt take the time to look at what area this was in, but a lot of police forces are understaffed. If that is the case, and an officer that is trained in high speed driving needs to drive faster than civilians to service more area, then I'm all for it.


And, they've won. Cops should be beyond question and are awesome. Just let them get on with it. The bigger picture is that we'd all be safer if there was no speeding, and if the cops thought they would be called out more if they did speed then maybe that would help things.

Like I said, they guy's a dick, but what if he could produce a high speed license for you? Would it be alright then? A good friend of mine works for a high end car company and has an advanced driving license, a race license and a high speed testing license (he can drive up to 200mph on a test track). Should he be allowed to speed? If the cop is, then so is he. What the cop was doing was breaking the law. If he had a valid reason to be speeding, as in he had to be somewhere quick to uphold the law which is what you suggest when you talk about under-manning, then he should at least have had his lights on. He did nothing to the guy chasing him because he knew full well that it would get him into at least as much trouble if he did. I'll accept that the guy following him was acting up for the camera more than likely, but I think the bigger picture, where we can call out the police if we see them doing wrong, is worth putting up with that for.

If the right person did this, someone with high speed training, would you still think it a bad thing?

>> ^robbersdog49:

It really boils my piss when the police abuse their positions and speed like that. He was an irritating person, but did the right thing calling the cop out. You should be able to do that, they work for you, not the other way round.


There was nothing about what that douche bag did that was right. Which is more dangerous? A police officer that probably has way more driving training, or this moron that's driving 90+ while trying to film it all at the same time? The cop should have given this idiot a sobriety test.

Then to block him in while he's trying to get back to work? "They work for you"? Well tha'ts a big ass waste of time and resources, "boss".

I didnt take the time to look at what area this was in, but a lot of police forces are understaffed. If that is the case, and an officer that is trained in high speed driving needs to drive faster than civilians to service more area, then I'm all for it.

It really boils my piss when the police abuse their positions and speed like that. He was an irritating person, but did the right thing calling the cop out. You should be able to do that, they work for you, not the other way round.