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Can You Trust the Media? | Manufacturing Consent Explained

newtboy says...

No more opinion/spin means no more right wing media at all. Fox, OAN, and newsmax are nearly pure opinion outlets and could never exist without their opinion programming advertising dollars.
Edit: Alex Jones, gone. Glen Beck, gone. Right wing talk radio, gone.
Are you prepared for that just to get cnn down to 2 hours of original pure news programming per day? I am. 100%.

bobknight33 said:

Each main stream should only get noon and evening news for total of 2 hours. No more opinion/ spin crap 22 hrs / day.

Would like a total ban for 2 years.

Media is the problem.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

There's no evidence nutjob John Sullivan posed as a pro Trump supporter in any way besides being there. He claims to be a journalist, and anti police brutality activist...and has a company that seeks croudfunding based on those claims.

There's absolutely zero evidence he's Antifa, and no real indications he's affiliated with BLM in any way besides believing in their slogan. The closest I can find is....

“I was worried about people recognizing me and thinking that I was Antifa or, like, BLM or whatever,” he told the outlet. “The entire time they’re yelling, ‘F— Antifa! F—, BLM.’ I’m not saying I’m Antifa, by any means. But I definitely believe Black Lives Matter.”

BLM says he is not a member and has no affiliation with them.

So again, how does one BLM supporter (not member) filming the riots somehow prove your claims of an army of militant Antifa directing and instigating the pro Trump violence?

bobknight33 said:



Posing a Trump supporter at the capitol, at the shooting, now arrested.



"The cult stayed tight and slept through the trial." No not really no one watched since is is a JOKE


A comedian you are..
"He will go down as the best at impeachment, by volume, level of criminality, and bipartisan guilty votes. "

But reality isn’t exactly your strong suite.

4yo old child in space suit becomes internet star in China

SFOGuy says...

I love this. Also--did anyone flash on the inflatable Xmas tree costume at Kaiser Hospital San Jose CA which is now thought to be responsible for over hundred cases and a death? The person WEARING the soon was an asymptomatic superspreader---and as they walked around the ER, they were blowing contaminated air under pressure out every outlet into the rooms...

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/01/04/she-was-just-spreading-joy-kaiser-nurse-reveals-details-of-suspected-christmas-tree-costume-covid-superspreader
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https://abc11.com/kaiser-outbreak-san-jose-christmas-tree-costume-covid-permanente-medical-center/9620178/

Let's talk about Biden outsmarting Trump's transition trap..

newtboy says...

He got over 13 million more votes than Clinton. Hardly underperforming.

Is this "election analyst" from OAN or are they from Newsmax? No other outlets including Fox will make or air such specious claims.
Election OFFICIALS have said there were no such irregularities. That claim is asinine and just another lie...I think you know it.

This largest non white vote in 60 years is another Trump outright lie, Bush 2 did significantly better.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/11/09/no-trump-didnt-win-the-largest-share-of-non-white-voters-of-any-republican-in-60-years/?sh=2222b
fc4a09b
So much for racist Trump ever being honest.
(Edit: BTW, while not all Trumpsters are racists, they are all willing to stand behind one.)

He needs a coup to pull this off, he lost the election bigly. If Trump wins every remaining lawsuit he will not flip a single state. That's probably why he put Giuliani in charge of them, because they don't matter.

bobknight33 said:

Biden Under performed Hillary Clinton In Every City...Except Four.

Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia.”


An election analyst, noted that these “the vote even exceeded the number of registered voters.”


Trump won the largest non-white vote share for a Republican presidential candidate in 60 years. So much forTrumpers being racists.

Trump still needs a Hail Mary to pull this off.

What To Do if Your Side Loses the Election

Janus says...

You're probably listening to the wrong news outlets to really get a good picture of that. I'm sure bob could come up with a list for you, for example.

Sure, most of it will almost certainly be horseshit, but there will probably be a nugget or two of truth in there, whether you want to believe them or not.

moonsammy said:

Whereas the Dems have been accused of... something?

Trump Holds Indoor Rally as Wildfires and Pandemic Rage

newtboy says...

Trump has blamed State governors for fires on federal land for 3 1/2 years+ but has done nothing to solve the problems on land he controls.

The failure has been in the making longer than that, try since the industrial revolution. I live in a rain forest starting it's third decade of drought. It's a major climate shift. The science is settled, not in question for decades.

No, he needs to listen to the professional forest managers already there instead of ignoring them because he knows more about everything than anyone. See his recent meeting with California's forest managers for examples of his stupidity, his plan is just like for Covid, do nothing, blame others, deny there's a problem, claim it will just go away, blame others again, pat himself on the back for a job perfectly done.

His idea, rake the forests, is just dumb and impossible. Only a complete moron believes you can rake up 33 million acres of mountainous forests, including removing all forest litter which is necessary habitat for many forest creatures and downed trees like redwoods that are useless as lumber. Only a stupid ignoramus believes that's a solution.

Let's say it costs about $1000 per acre, a vast underestimation, that's an extra $330 billion per year for raking California's forests alone. Is Trump offering to fund that, or is he cutting funding instead? (Hint, he cut funding)

Much of the mismanagement is from fighting fires. For decades the plan was don't let any fire burn, that's left forests with 2-5 times the fuel it would naturally have. The last decade that's been realised and when possible fires are allowed to burn. It's too little too late.

Trump's idea of draining the swamp has been plugging the outlets and pumping millions of gallons of sewage into it. That means removing career civil servants and selling positions to friends and contributors with no experience and massive conflicts of interests. Trump's is the most criminal administration ever, with more convictions than any other including Nixon. Politics are incredibly more swampy than before Trump, and the state of the union is crumbling and poised to dissolve into another civil war.

🤦‍♂️

bobknight33 said:

Trump been in office 3+ years
This failure has been long in the making 30+ years.


Sound like he need to fire land management team and put in place some people who know what to do. More swamp draining?

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bobknight33 says...

There are a few noted F up s .. Just not shown on Fake news outlets.

newtboy said:

Still can't find any "known instances" of Democrats cheating, eh? No one in the whole troll farm can find even one?

But dozens of known, prosecuted instances of Republicans cheating have been offered.

Ready to admit you're a liar, that there are zero known instances of Democrats cheating in elections in the last decade, but plenty of Republican cheating?...or should I keep reminding you of your ridiculous false, made up claim that you cannot defend or prove?

Real Republicans would never let this stand, they're smart enough to know letting themselves be labeled undeniable unapologetic liars is infinitely worse than admitting a mistake, real Republicans know that, RINO Trumpsters and trolls don't.

Maxwell

newtboy says...

Whataboutism...the refuge of the desperate.

As far as I know, neither visited the island, but Trump is more likely to have based on their respective relationships. Clinton rode in Epstein's plane a few times, Trump rode in Epstein's plane a few times, partied with him for decades during his pedophilia spree, hosted multiple parties for Epstein including those attended only by Trump, Epstein, and underage girls, and Epstein had 14 phone numbers for Trump.

Clinton has not been accused of any specific sexual misconduct connected to Epstein. As for Trump: During the 2016 campaign, Trump was sued by an anonymous woman who claimed he raped her at an Epstein party when she was 13 years old among various other accusations of sexual assault now numbering >25. However, several journalists who dug into this allegation back then came away voicing caution or downright skepticism, and the accuser withdrew her lawsuit shortly before the election.

So there hasn’t yet been corroboration of Epstein-related wrongdoing on Trump’s part by media outlets, or any accusation against Clinton at all.

Lol....He only finally kicked him out in 2011, >4 years after he pleaded guilty to multiple child rapes and being accused of dozens upon dozens of others, and we now know his abuses never stopped....but that didn't bother or surprise Trump one bit until >4 years later when Epstein started being publicly accused of recruiting multiple young girls at Maralago to be sex slaves while he was visiting Trump and assaulting them on the premises. Did you even read what you linked?! Holy crap!

bobknight33 said:

O great oracle of knowledge AKA TOOL


What about Bill Clinton?
Of both how many times did they go to Epstein island?

2011 Who kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago, for messing with a girl?

https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/trump-barred-jeffrey-epstein-from-mar-a-lago-over-sex-assault-court-docs/

Free Speech Considered Support for Nazism

NASA Explains Moon Return Plans in Stunning Animated Short

BSR says...

The sound editor is probably having problems at home with the wife over which color the new car should be and this is his only outlet. He just wants to be heard.

The narrator is a problem for me also.

Personally, when she says any word that has an "s" in it, it's like sticking toothpicks in my eardrums. To be clear, this is not just a woman annoyance because men do it also. But... when it comes to a disagreement about the color of the new car...

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newtboy says...

Congratulations. By covering Trump's little daily propaganda junkets, he has effectively turned major media outlets into fake news outlets.

Of course, he is the fake news source, but by giving him air time they spread his utter bullshit lies and fake excuses for his lack of action in an emergency...6 weeks of inactivity after his all too late partial travel ban against Chinese (but not Americans coming from China or their families) that wasn't enacted for a full week after China went on full quarantine and was rapidly building huge temporary hospitals, Jan 23. By then there was no longer any question about the seriousness or speed of the viral outbreak, it was so bad China quit pretending there's nothing to see and acted. China waited almost 4 weeks to take meaningful actions and take it seriously, Trump waited another 6 after that.

So yep, fake news, all thanks to covering our fake "president".

1000's doctors agree hydroxychloroquine is best treatment

StukaFox says...

1. The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data".
2. OAN? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!! Yeah, now THERE'S an unimpeachable news outlet!

OAN: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

newtboy says...

Hard to deny you're Russian propaganda when you hire Kremlin agents who work at Sputnik, the Russian government's propaganda outlet, and put them on air to give "opinions" that just happen to be pro Russia propaganda.

JiggaJonson said:

THAT NETWORK IS STRAIGHT UP RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA

they sued Maddow for calling them Russian propaganda and LOST the suit if that tells you anything, but this pro russian communist promoting shit should speak volumes about what they want for america

How Fox News has shifted its coronavirus rhetoric

Mystic95Z says...

Fox News is the news outlet for idiots for the most part, they have a few decent people, but the networks "stars" Hannity, Ingram, Tucker, JJ are bottom of the barrel morons...

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Wrong on ALL counts, as usual Bobski.

Trump: pleaded guilty to fraud involving his fake school stealing from "students" before the election, found guilty of charity fraud last month and forced to pay millions back to veterans he stole from/defrauded....Also undeniably guilty of multiple finance and tax evasion charges, but being shielded by Barr until he's out of office

Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort: Sentenced to seven and a half years in prison for financial crimes and lying to Mueller

Konstantin Kilimnik: Charged with obstruction of justice during the Manafort investigation

Trump confidant Roger Stone: Convicted of lying to Congress tampering with a witness and obstructing the 2017 congressional investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn: Pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about his contacts with Russia on Trump's behalf

Former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates: Pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about Trump

Former Trump personal lawyer Michael Cohen: Pleaded guilty to tax and bank charges, campaign finance violations and lying to Congress for Trump

Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos:in January of 2017, Papadopoulos repeatedly lied about his contacts with Russian agents. He pleaded guilty

Alex van der Zwaan: Served 30 days in prison then deported for lying to investigators about Trump

Sam Patten: Pleaded guilty to failing to register as a foreign lobbyist in order to funnel foreign money to Trump's campaign

Bijan Kian and Skim Alptekin: Charged with conspiring to violate lobbying laws while working for Flynn

Those are just some convicted by Mueller for crimes after the election committed for Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/22/how-many-of-trumps-close-advisers-have-been-convicted-and-who-are-they


Please list all the convictions of Democrats...my research shows Republicans are convicted >91 times for every Democrat found guilty of crimes in office in the last 50 years.

Bobski, you claim to watch OAN, the fake news outlet that hires actual Kremlin agents to spread Russian propaganda that managed to out lie Fox, the inventors of fake news.

Duh.

bobknight33 said:

Trump is not going anywhere for the next 5 years.

No guilty party is linked to Trump/ White House.. All were past crimes.

Quit Jizzing your shorts. You know the foul play and crimes are on the DNC side.

Adam Schiff's blunder of last 2 weeks was a pure gift to Trump.


Democrats are delusional and so you you. Watch more than the fake news.



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