Even without any skunk apes to see, it’s a great scenic train ride.
I took it with my parents in the early 80s on one of the days they run the old steam engine train. I think they still do a few times a year. Just beautiful back then….almost completely undeveloped the entire ride, then Silverton was a quaint old West themed town.
Good times….good times.

Almost resembles an old west gunfight.

It's possible all those things could still be in there, just not in the form you may have been expecting. As far as being set in the old west, Firefly. Looks interesting enough to me at least.

It looks beautiful, but where's the amazing high concept stuff Dust have been doing?

If you're gonna make a sci-fi movie on another planet, and you're outside the bounds of the studio system, give me an interesting story. Ask some questions about our place in the stars or how technology will shape humanity. Don't give me a story that could have been set in the old west.

To address your points

"Did you even read the article I linked?"
Sorry, I didn't. I opened it, but I really don't have time to read a 40-page law review article.

"In other words, you're flat out wrong when you say the 2nd amendment wasn't about self-defense".
Ok, we can agree to disagree there, but the point still stands that the statement "The WHOLE point of the second amendment... is so we can defend ourselves" (emphasis mine) is incorrect. I'll grant you it might be PART of it.

"I'm not sure why your tone is so dismissive in this thread."
Because I'm tired of trying to convince Americans to stop murdering each other.

"you're quite lucky to live in a country where your government protects you from growing your own food by throwing all those dangerous gardeners in prison. "
Please tell me you realise that's satire because your tone kinda makes me think you're taking that seriously. No, gardens are not illegal in NZ. Almost everyone I know grows some of their own food (at least, those of us lucky enough to afford a house with a garden).

"New Zealand has a shit-ton of guns (about one for every four people)"
Agreed. I even previously brought this up myself.

"people own them for a variety of reasons, from sport"
I know, I have friends who target shoot and hunt

"to self-defense"
cue wrong buzzer sound effect.

To get a gun in NZ you need a Firearms licence. To get this , you will be interviewed, and

You will have difficulty being deemed 'fit and proper' to possess or use firearms if you have:
...
indicated an intent to use a firearm for self-defence.

Have some people (shock, horror) lied to the cops to get a licence? Probably, but in general, no-one here actually wants a gun for self-defense.

Look, I have no problem with people using guns. I just think that maybe you could all stop fetishising them so much and realise that you live in the 21st century and not the old west.

Personally, I'm with Jim Jeffries on this one.
*related=http://videosift.com/video/Jim-Jefferies-on-gun-control

Pulls up to car, blam blam blam.
Kids on either side of road, blam blam blam.
One handed, banking around corner, house and yard downrange, blam blam blam.

I figure it's like the old west.

On a completely unrelated note, he sounds like Sharlto Copely's brother. The South African accent aside, the timbre is close.

Good on him. I'm glad this didn't get portrayed as just some guy thinking he was playing cops and robbers in the old west

he knew he was in danger, he armed himself and not only that he actually trained vigorously, something I don't think most people do. He did what he needed to do...and he doesn't glorify it. In the end, he pays a price and lives in fear anyway even though he succeeded.

you're exactly right @SDGundamX, it doesn't fit into the NRA soundbite of "buy a gun! pew pew pew! bad guys dead, live happily ever after!"

Yep Wild Wild West: Oakland, CA. Except that, until now, only cops and criminals were armed. In a real Wild Wild West scenario, law abiding and decent people are also armed. And that makes a huge difference. Like in that town in Mexico where the population organized into a citizen's army and drove out the cartels/gangs, in addition to keeping the cops at bay. Just another instance where I think private police agencies (like the Old West 'Pinkertons' and bounty hunters) would do what needed to be done where public "cops" don't really want to (or simply can't).

After the end of the "war on [some] drugs" and the welfare state, gangsters will have to do something -- maybe get jobs -- other than 'side-show' and standing around all night, shooting (expensive) bullets into the air.

Any time some moron gets it into their head that their state should secede from the union or just any time someone think states should have more rights, they should watch the video and know that WE ALREADY TRIED TO DO THAT.

Same thing with the 2nd amendment. We already tried giving virtually everyone a firearm, it was called the old west. Guess what? people got sick of the idea that they might die just walking down the street to get milk so they started to put away the guns!

I'd say the biggest problem we have as a Nation is what this video already talked about. the founders understood the balance between too much democracy and too many rich landowners having power and I'd say that that's the problem we're in right now. The rich have far too much influence over our gov't. One could argue that that was the whole reason for the Iraq war. People who get rich off of war wanted more money.

We also need to completely remove private money from our elections.

And besides, you sure conservatives want to arm teachers? Conservatives haven't been too friendly to teachers lately.

Guess what asshole, having a firearm doesn't magically confer the ability to use it wisely. give me the overly-strict gun laws of the UK or Japan over a bunch of armed drunk redneck idiots with delusions of grandeur ANY DAY.

Unless you're going to pay for SWAT training for every teacher, shut the hell up, moron.

We tried the lawlessness of the old west. There's a reason why it's in the past.

I read something recently about the old West towns. Guess what -- in a lot of them, you had to surrender your guns before coming in to town. Because they knew that GUNS KILL.

Walking around with a gun is scary to unarmed bystanders. They had common sense in the good ole days....

I would say that in your case, @blankfist, that the burden of proof is on you to prove that raw milk can be used and offered safely.

This may be a shaky analogy, but it's similar IMO. to the 2nd Amendment, I'm very pro-gun, but there has to be SOME regulations, you just don't put certain weapons out there in the open market for any tom dick and harry who has the cash to buy. The potential for those weapons infringing on the life, liberty and happiness of others far outweighs the freedom to buy said weapons. Sure there may be plenty of people out there who would use such weapons wisely...but we don't just take their word for it, do we?

If it weren't for gov't regulations, we probably wouldn't even have ingredient lists or nutrition information on our food. Much of our quality of life today is because of these gov't regulations, not because of the free market. Personally, I don't want to turn back the clock and live in the old west days where if someone shoots me, It's MY fault for not dodging quick enough or for not shooting him first. Free market says slavery works too. Free Market says child labor is awesome. Free Market says sweatshops rule! We as a people have said time and time again that some things are more important than profit at all cost and that just because you can do a thing, doesn't necessarily mean you should. Were you asleep in History class?

If you believe otherwise, the burden is on you to prove it. It's a judgement call, you can't just blindly de-regulate everything in the name of liberty. News flash, the patriot act has very little to do with patriotism. The fair tax is anything but fair, and freedom isn't free. Just because Liberty is in the word libertarian, doesn't make it so.

This is another case of someone envisioning their version of a utopian world and working backwards. Well in a perfect world, there are no abortions, so obviously we have to ban abortions. Well in a perfect world, there are no poor people, so obviously we gotta make life more and more difficult for poor people so they are motivated to not be poor. In a perfect world, we don't need gov't looking over our shoulder because we get along fine on our own, then obviously we need to reduce gov't.

It' just doesn't work that way.

You see hollywood, no method acting was required. The dog did not have to go out and "Research" what it was like growing up as a farm hand in the old west. When posse of cattle rustlers shoot you down .. and then leave a doggy treat in your mouth ...Wait, nevermind.

Bravo.

>> ^Stormsinger:

I may even have to go to the theater to see this one. An alien invasion of the old West seems worthwhile, and a topless Thirteen makes it something of a no-brainer.
Although, to be honest, I couldn't even make a good guess as to Wilde's chestsize...I've never been able to take my eyes off of her face when she's onscreen. She has the most amazing cheekbones I've ever seen.


Are you kidding? She's TERRIFYING! When she opens her eyes wide she looks like she's going to devour your soul!

Also...newly single.

I may even have to go to the theater to see this one. An alien invasion of the old West seems worthwhile, and a topless Thirteen makes it something of a no-brainer.

Although, to be honest, I couldn't even make a good guess as to Wilde's chestsize...I've never been able to take my eyes off of her face when she's onscreen. She has the most amazing cheekbones I've ever seen.