Pretty words, but it's still not an answer. You paint a picture of people walking hand in hand in peace, but that is not human nature. I have all of history to support my assertion, and you can't seem to give me one shred of logic as to how abandoning government would be of any benefit.

Please understand that when I say fear is a good thing that I don't mean everybody should live in fear all the time. I sure don't. What I mean is that anybody who wishes to promote their own self interests at the expense of somebody else should be in fear of reprisal. That is the only way some people will think of others before themselves.

And as dramatic as the example of the incident in Arizona is, I don't believe it would happen any less often if people carried weapons around like in the old west. There is a reason cities started banning openly carrying. Simple arguments would escalate to murder. If you feel defenseless in public, try pepper-spray. Somebody with a gun would not have stopped that nutjob in Arizona. Instead of being tackled by people in the crowd, he probably would have been shot to death. And then we might never have the opportunity to find out what the hell was going on in his head, and consequently what we might do to prevent it from happening again somewhere else.

It is easy to spout platitudes about government doing more harm than good, but aside from vague statements about a free and voluntary society, you don't seem capable of explaining how such a society would work. Let me use one of your examples: fresh water is a precious resource, yet manufacturers of our sanitary facilities used to frequently design their products in ways that would waste that fresh water for no purpose. If your free and voluntary society was viable, then there would be no reason to regulate how much water was used per flush, because all the manufacturers would design their products to be efficient. They didn't, so they got regulated.

That's how the real world works. That's why laws are passed and regulations are enacted. Because people are selfish, and they don't care about the best interests of others. That's why your system would dissolve into chaos.

I'm still open to an explanation as to how I'm wrong. You've responded several times but never with anything of substance. That makes me inclined to believe you have no argument, and are living in a fantasy. Prove me wrong.

Almost without exception, police officials have staunchly supported the arresting officers. This argues strongly against the idea that some rogue officers are overreacting or that a few cops have something to hide. "Arrest those who record the police" appears to be official policy, and it's backed by the courts.

>> ^entr0py:

The best glitch I've gotten so far is the hydrolic stagecoach. Constantly bouncing up and down and thumping even while parked. It seemed racist that I only encountered it in Mexico.


/shamelessbegging

http://videosift.com/video/Red-Dead-Redemption-Olde-West-Low-Rider-20sec

My dad made these for over 20 years. It's usually someone at the company requesting it with some goofy ideas; and they pay ridiculous amounts. It was a pain sometimes, but usually they were fun and profitable. There is some back safety video out there that takes place in a old-west saloon that was awesome.

Wow a clip from the Whaler Boat that's pretty cool. I like the Sea Sheppard peeps, reminds me of the old west, and they're like Sheriffs.

Or maybe the crew of the Serenity in the movie Serenity...yeah that fits better.

^spoco2

Just so we are clear, can you describe what you think a libertarian government would consist of? that is, what services it would provide, and what kind of policies it would follow?

it looks like you posted your latest comment while I was still adding to mine, but it clearly shows you have no idea what a libertarian government even is. no wonder you disagree with it...you think its anarchy...

Do you truly believe that the country would run really well if run in a pure libertarian manner? Do you think everyone would let everyone else be and not descend into a bit of the old west style mob rule, because, well, the government is keeping its hands out of everything, and everyone is allowed to be armed to the teeth if they so desire... and you KNOW that everyone is not mr/mrs happy who is all live and let live.

as I said...libertarian governments have police and national defense just the same as we do today...we don't have mob rule now--so why would we then?

But take a country which using authority to keep those that wish harm on others from doing so, that allows those that are different to be so as long as they mean no harm, and allows everyone to live the life they want to live for themselves

libertarian governments do this too...again they have a police and national defense for exactly this reason. violent crime is just as illegal to libertarians as it is to republicans or democrats.

^Ahh, strawman arguments, love em.

I didn't say extremes in all possible ways did I?

Do you truly believe that the country would run really well if run in a pure libertarian manner? Do you think everyone would let everyone else be and not descend into a bit of the old west style mob rule, because, well, the government is keeping its hands out of everything, and everyone is allowed to be armed to the teeth if they so desire... and you KNOW that everyone is not mr/mrs happy who is all live and let live.

Of course it would be terrible.

As would any country that was ruled with an iron fist of authoritarianism.

But take a country which using authority to keep those that wish harm on others from doing so, that allows those that are different to be so as long as they mean no harm, and allows everyone to live the life they want to live for themselves... but making sure there are safety nets there for those cases where people don't have the money to support themselves or their children, or become mentally unbalanced and need help caring for themselves or other that depend on them etc. etc.

You NEED a government funded by the people as a whole that acts in the global good interest, but doesn't discriminate against people just because they don't fit inside the 'norm'.

So I was attacking those types of ideas on their merits, not to do with their extremism other than they tend to focus on one thing (one's liberty for example) at the expense of the broader picture.

ok ok.. ok... downvote is the appropriate response.... still.. pretty obvious this is not desired content and Choggie is the old west sheriff so

Some of my favorites, old and new:

Console:
Zelda series
Final Fantasy series (VI remains my favorite to this day)
Dragon Warrior
Metal Gear Solid
God of War/2
Punch Out/Super Punch Out)
Metroid (the old classic 2d side-styles, not the 1st person view)
Gran Turismo
Shadow of the Colossus

PC:
Outlaws (Old West FPS from Lucasarts)
Diablo 2
No One Lives Forever
Oblivion
Sim City
Half-Life series (Portal included!)
Wing Commander 3 (yay, Mark Hamill found work!)
Alone in the Dark
Out of This world
Age of Empires series

@8:55 "Today the sons of the old west are still killers but of another variety. They're killing them with hot music."

Well, yeah, and their fists and boots too. Spade Cooley beat and kicked his wife to death and died in prison while serving a life sentence for her murder.

"Mississippi riverboats of the Old West"? lol

....seriously, this is by far, one of the best renditions of the old west, as far as real, down-home, hard-ass, frontier, during the period, that any one has ever photographed, and again, I know folks, who would have otherwise enjoyed the hell out of it, had it not been for Al's potty mouth, not to mention, that of his bitc,..er., uh employees....(this PC shit is too much, I am so used to typing mhtfker....there?/That better??..

Much Love to Good Cinema/Television/camera in the trousers..

...the thing about those blows that you just can't capture witout CGI, is the lack of actual, limb separation, eviscerstion and large, gaping, wounds which those samurais' swords would have produced...they could take a man in half with a single, well-placed, stroke, none of the "clutch my side and limp off flesh-wounded" sheit...Kurosawa was incredible, though, his eye for cinematography with Japan
is like Sergio Leone's with his stylized American old west. Beautifully photographed epics!