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GOT PULLED OVER WITH MY PISTOL ON ME

newtboy says...

Brother? Really? Yeah, you aren't a bit racist, just stuck in the 70's (when that would still be considered racist, but at least contemporarily racist).

One bad apple.....spoils the bunch is the rest of that sentence.
We see nothing but bad apples. There are no good apples in the bunch, because they left those bad apples in the bunch for decades, actually recruiting them in many cases (see Florida, who recruits cops fired for violence).

Pablo Escobar did nice things, he was a bad apple. Not being the most racist, accusatory, disrespectful, violent assholes possible at every turn does not make a good apple. Turning in, and testifying against his fellow thuggish cops whenever they get violent, racist, or abusive until those cops are in prison instead of on the force, that makes a good apple. They don't exist.

The agreement between law enforcement and citizens starts with law enforcement's obligations.
First is to enforce the law evenly and fairly, not use it as a club for their personal prejudices. Second is their obligation to police themselves with greater zeal and less leeway than they give citizens.
Until they fulfil these obligations, citizens have no obligation to be civil to them. They shirked their obligations first, and theirs came with authority and benefits they retain even though they fail at their obligations every single time.
Civility with police in no way protects you from abuse....it often does nothing but give them excuses to violate citizens further. Any first year lawyer can tell you, there's no benefit to speaking with them at all.

Funny how you think finding one instance where being friendly ended with just a ticket and search you insist it works every time despite the numerous, uncountable examples proving that's simply not true shown to you daily.

"The race issue" (as if it's only one issue) if at the forefront because Republicans have become so outrageously overtly racist with support from the top down that the entire planet has had enough and are marching against the racist, murderous police. We know who is on who's side. It's clear. No one is accepting your word on the subject. We know you have said clearly that you support lying if it helps your cause or proves your point.

BTW, thanks for getting last night's bobknight33 off the keyboard. That one really needs more practice before being put in rotation, he didn't sound like the bobknight33 group in any way. Edit:oops, I hadn't read your other post this morning. These do not appear to be the same person posting in your name 1 1/2 hours apart....shift change comrades?

bobknight33 said:

@newtboy

Sorry NEWT no brother was harmed. Nothing to see here. I realize ALL you post is bad cop vids because of your derange mind is to intolerant to accept that not all cops are bad.

Take solace newt, you will find something to bitch about this.

This is the example of the social compact between society and its law enforcement.

Funny when one is cordial, open dialog, legal, and complies with request form officers things go pretty well.

However this is NOT the narrative that FAKE news pushes day in day out, sowing the seeds of discontent just for the up coming election. If Dems win then race issue pushed to the back burner again.

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Trump Has SS Attack Peaceful Protestors For Photo Op

BSR says...

The streets have been "cleared" for other presidents ahead of time. The problem was that Trump went to his photo-op on a whim. These things are usually planned out in advance for good reasons. Trump has no good reasons for anything other than for his own personal gain.

He will die in his own arms unless you can be there for him. It seems that more and more republicans are turning on him. Better late than never.

bobknight33 said:

If any POUTS was out on the street. The path would be cleared.

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newtboy says...

No, good intelligence from an ally that there were undeclared foreign agents in his campaign cabinet, and there were quite a few, not nothing. They didn't have evidence that definitively and directly tied Trump to Russian interference even though he publicly directly asked them for exactly that, and they delivered within hours.

Yes, Russian election interference was found, as were numerous Russia-Trump connections.

The only thing Trump got was an admission there were some minor omissions or inconsistencies in the applications for warrants, warrants that actually uncovered dozens of crimes that were successfully prosecuted. I agree, that's not good and needs addressing, but it's not a win for Trump at all,no matter how he spins and exaggerates it.

bobknight33 said:

Wow Big news.

So the tiniest of evidence to open a spy campaign against Trump. OK

But they found nothing and kept on spying. Corrupt Anti Trump which hunt on full display.

No professional bias found. - OK yep. But would one admit wrong doing of this type? Still the IG report was limited in scope.

Will need to see the Durham report next.


IG conclusion: ZERO Russian connection/ collusion/ interference with the election. So much for Trump being Putin's puppet. Serious mis handling / lying of officials to keep the spying / FIASA going.



All in all a Victory for Trump and team.

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harlequinn says...

Machine guns are firearms. You can buy pre 1986 machine guns in the USA (I'm not sure what form you have to fill out). The 1986 cutoff is fairly pointless.

I don't consider bazookas, grenades, mortars, etc. firearms. To me a firearm is essentially a rifle that fires cartridges. But if the US government considers them as firearms then that is what they are for legislative purposes.

I believe there is case law regarding what scope of arms they were referring to in the 2A and the result was any common firearm. This currently includes almost all pistols and rifles, both automatic and semi-automatic (with the exception being automatic guns must have been made before 1986 - I believe this limit should be removed).

I'm very much against restricting semi-automatic rifles. There are no good reasons for restricting them. It is unconstitutional. They are not the "weapon of choice" for mass shootings, pistols are. The lethality of them in mass shootings is the same as that of pistols (someone ran an analysis just recently). This last point surprised me a little.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gunpolitics/comments/d7ypcv/no_mass_shootings_carried_out_with_semiautomatic/

I'm for background checks (i.e. for second hand sales which are the only sales left without a background check) as long as the service is cheap and no records are kept (i.e. it isn't used to create a de-facto registration database).

Public health wise, talking about firearms is a red herring. If I were to drop a bucket load of money into stuff in the USA it would be into making health care and mental health care cheap and available and reducing poverty. This would have more affect on mortality and morbidity rates then any gun legislation will. And yes, I would give fully subsidized health care to the poor.

By now you should be asking yourself what planet someone comes from where they support the 2A and free health care at the same time.

newtboy said:

So you think machine guns aren't firearms...or do you think they aren't really illegal?

Edit: What about bazookas, grenades, mortars, etc.?
They are firearms by the federal definition....https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921

(3)The term “firearm” means (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.
(4)The term “destructive device” means—
(A)any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i)bomb,
(ii)grenade,
(iii)rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv)missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
(v)mine, or
(vi)device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;

Viking Fingerprint Trigger Lock Picked FAST

bremnet says...

The reason I'd use a biometric vs a keyed trigger lock is for speed and ease of use in the dark. If I have to give it a little squeeze to get it to release, zero concern. Does it secure the firearm? Yes. Is it 100%, no. Show me one that is.

p.s. in a random sampling, the twenty-three 15 year old boys in my algebra class, none of them own or plan to buy a flat piece of bent metal that precisely fits in a lock of this type, let along lock picking tools. The determination that this lock is no good is based on tests that have little to do with the intended function.

What Happens To Good Cops?

newtboy says...

The problem is, by the time we know who those .0001% are, they've already been harassed off the force. It's impossible to support them as cops, because doing the right thing ends their law enforcement career.

My opinion or support doesn't matter to them, but I do fully support whistleblower laws that make it a crime to retaliate against whistleblowers, I would make it a felony and strip any municipal protections, criminal or civil, that they otherwise enjoy, making those who retaliate personally responsibly financially....to the tune of 5 times the lost wages they would have been paid if they weren't forced out. That's the limit of my power in this situation without taking up arms.

The system is irreparably broken and only getting worse. When 99.9999% of cops are bad, and the rest get fired for not going along and have their lives and the lives of their families as well as their freedom threatened with no repercussions for the criminals, it's acceptable to say there are no good cops*.

*because the few good ones don't stay cops after being good

Edit: tell you what....start a go fund me page for her and other good ex cops, I'll donate....and I'm poor as shit.

BSR said:

The "excessively few" are the ones who need your support and not be prejudged to be bad.

I'm glad you acknowledged that there are good cops. Cheer them on. They need to know you got their back.

What Happens To Good Cops?

newtboy says...

*related=https://videosift.com/video/How-a-Corrupt-Chicago-Cop-Framed-Dozens-of-People

And people still have the gall to question those of us who don't trust police and claim there are no good cops. The excessively few who were good are quickly threatened by other cops and driven out of law enforcement, while the blatantly criminal cops get promoted and congratulated.

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What Happens When You Try to File a Complaint Against a Cop

bobknight33 says...

Newt not all cops are bad.

You had a bad experience and as you say "As a Mohawk sporting punk, I was often singled out as a younger teen for no good reason, "

Maybe you just looked like bad egg. Ever thought of cleaning up you act back then?

My brother had a cop put his gun to his head - he deserved it and I've been arrested a few times -- youthful kid stuff. I hold no ill will to cops. They just want to get home safe. If all interactions between cop and respectful citizens things would soften up after some time.

WRT to this video -- All were dicks and need to to have a complaint against them.

What Happens When You Try to File a Complaint Against a Cop

newtboy says...

No, but it's when it strengthened. As a Mohawk sporting punk, I was often singled out as a younger teen for no good reason, but never abused and threatened with death like that until then. Since then, I've never seen anything to dissuade me from thinking they're all team players, and it's us vs them....like all gangs.
Edit: I've heard many times, including directly from cops and lawyers, that they may legally lie to you and are trained to do so. That above all makes me distrust cops, I don't trust professional liars, and neither should anyone else....ever.

There was nothing to toss, like some of these, he refused to give me a form or take any report, verbally abused me, then threatened to find something to arrest me for if I didn't just go away and drop it.
Yeah, they would be nice today, but without the off switches.

BSR said:

I understand. So is this when your distrust of all cops began? Was your refused complaint tossed in the trash or is there any record at all of that day? Body cams would have been nice back then.

Delaware State Trooper Pulls Gun on Black Man For Speeding

newtboy says...

My experience differs.

If, in one's opinion, there are no good cops, how exactly does one stand up and support them? Those brave few cops that turn in crooked cops get insane support from the public, and death threats from other cops. What would you suggest? It's not a lack of public support for good cops that's an issue, it's a total lack of repercussions for the bad.
Edit: Also, there's the mindset that holding them to a high standard IS supporting the few good cops that meet those standards by not rewarding those who don't.

Yes, people who support good cops are in a tight spot. But they also need (the cops' ) support. They need someone to believe in. Ftfy.

I believed in good cops for quite a while, and couldn't find them, that why I stopped believing.

BSR said:

That all sounds good when you say it fast. How convenient for YOU to not stand up and help support good cops. As long you make all cops bad, all you have to do is sit around and let your contribution fester so you can announce "See! I told you so!"

Yes, good cops are in a tight spot. But they also need your (our) support. They need someone to believe in them. They need backup. You can help make them braver. Make them want to take a bullet for you because your bravery is worth it to them.

YOU can help make their dream come true. Or make it a nightmare.

How are they to believe in themselves if you don't believe in them?

More and more bad cops are slowly exposing themselves for who they are. You can help expose the good ones if you just believe in them instead of just letting them fester in your fears. You can help them escape the trap they are in.

When YOU START to believe in good cops, you will find them. If nothing else, stop creating more bad cops. You're just destroying yourself.

The cracks are there. Don't be afraid to look through them.

Delaware State Trooper Pulls Gun on Black Man For Speeding

Drachen_Jager says...

As long as this behaviour is rampant there are no "good cops"

There are bad cops, cops who support the bad cops, cops who look the other way, and cops who get fired.

Most places the cops have the final word in who gets hired. You think they're going to bring anyone who gives the impression of being a "good cop" (aka not a "team player") on to the force?

As soon as I see cracks in the "blue wall" I might start to believe there are some good cops, but until they stand up they're not good. They're just supporting a broken system, no matter their intentions.

BSR said:

You realize you're condemning the good cops for lack of a better answer, right? Why would you steer me or someone else that way?

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Esoog says...

I really miss The Office. I mean, it plays every day on TBS, and we have every episode recorded on our DVR...but I miss it being new. There are no good mainstream sitcoms anymore.



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