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Capitalism Didn’t Make the iPhone, You iMbecile

newtboy says...

In reality, it wasn't spare time tinkering at all, it was serious academics doing full time paid research funded by the government. ARPANET, while funded by the defense department, was designed by and connected college researchers, the first transmissions were between UCLA and Stanford in 69, not the military. This was the first networking, the infant internet.
The military system in the 60's was a point to point tonal encryption system that ran on proprietary bell telephone systems with dedicated direct phone lines until the FCC forced Bell to give up it's capitalistic monopoly in 68, allowing for advancements in both the public and eventually private sector that led to the infant internet instead of just individual "computers" (and I use the term lightly here) directly communicating. Remember, back then, almost into the 90's, you needed to know the direct phone number of the other computer to connect (think "War Games"), there was no publicly accessible network.
The first retail internet transaction wasn't until 94.

Also imo, it was weird individuals tinkering in their spare time that made home computing anything more than very expensive word processors/calculators. We've had PCs since the 70's in my home, I remember what they could do then....I'm one of those weird individuals.

Long and short, your 5 different capitalistic ways ALL stem from a purely socialist base and a socialist denial of private for profit monopolies, and most if not all of them were developed and implemented using at least some public funding. Without that, we would still be using bell telephone phone modems to direct dial each other. Without public/private cooperation, neither sector could advance like they have together.
Imo, it's not an either/or situation, it's both.

vil said:

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Capitalism Didn’t Make the iPhone, You iMbecile

newtboy says...

So, take a short cherry picked list of American inventions created largely with public funding, then claim only American capitalism could have produced them? Uhhhhh......

The inventors of the internet were NOT able to profit directly from their own ideas, they were military and publicly funded schools working in conjunction to create a publicly owned private data sharing network. Later, when this publicly funded network was opened to the public, private companies used it for private profit, and (often) slowed progress and stymied advancements in the process.
It's simply wrong to claim government funded advancements are due to capitalism simply because the taxes came from a capitalist country. Wow.

What about 5G...China is ahead of any capitalist country on that, and many other computing advancements. Those technicians don't see a scintilla of profit from their inventions, ideas, and often businesses (granted, some are allowed to make billions, but only a certain few that are government affiliated oligarchs, and it can be stripped from them the instant they don't tow the party line).

bcglorf said:

Yeah, that's what he said. The Government, Military and Education systems mentioned received 100% of their revenues from taxation of a capitalism based(not pure) economy. That same government and military rely heavily on issuing contracts for R&D, supplies, and equipment all to companies operating in a capitalism based economy. That education system relies heavily on private investment and grants from corporate and private entities all generating their incomes from within a capitalism based economy.

That stands in contrast to the same governments, militaries and education systems elsewhere in competing countries like China and Russia, heck even the only slightly less capitalist EU too. Not a single one of the listed innovations came from any of those sources, but instead from within America. I think it is more than naive, but in fact dishonest, to ignore that being able to profit of your own ideas and grow your own business and keep the profits from it is just maybe a contributing factor in all that.

Trump Pressured Ukraine to Meddle in the 2020 Election

newtboy says...

Lol.
So deluded. There is none so blind as he who will not see. Even Fox news is stepping away from Trump after this one. Probably why you're now in love with the Russian propaganda network, OAN.

I know you will love to hear there's a second whistleblower scandal proceeding through the investigative process, reportedly with evidence Trump and subordinates have been trying to interfere with his IRS audit too.
This news comes out the same day Giuliani was forced to cancel his second appearance at the Putin formed, Kremlin backed EEU (Eurasian Economic Union), the Soviet attempt at an anti EU. There he planned to speak alongside multiple Russians who are currently under sanctions for their involvement in the invasions of Crimea and the Ukraine, and Putin himself....a paid engagement. He absolutely refuses to disclose how much he would be paid and by whom....or answer the same questions about his appearance at the same forum with the same people last year.

bobknight33 said:

Democrats lost this one.
The DNI hearing was nothing but sham from the left.

Trump won. AGAIN

Multi-Agent Hide and Seek

L0cky says...

This isn't really true though and greatly understates how amazing this demo, and current AI actually is.

Saying the agents are obeying a set of human defined rules / freedoms / constraints and objective functions would lead one to imagine something more like video game AI.

Typically video game AI works on a set of weighted decisions and actions, where the weights, decisions and actions are defined by the developer; a more complex variation of:

if my health is low, move towards the health pack,
otherwise, move towards the opponent

In this demo, no such rules exist. It's not given any weights (health), rules (if health is low), nor any instructions (move towards health pack). I guess you could apply neural networks to traditional game AI to determine the weights for decision making (which are typically hard coded by the developer); but that would be far less interesting than what's actually happening here.

Instead, the agent is given a set of inputs, a set of available outputs, and a goal.

4 Inputs:
- Position of the agent itself
- Position and type (other agent, box, ramp) of objects within a limited forward facing conical view
- Position (but not type) of objects within a small radius around the agent
- Reward: Whether they are doing a good job or not

Note the agent is given no information about each type of object, or what they mean, or how they behave. You may as well call them A, B, C rather than agent, box, ramp.

3 Outputs:
- Move
- Grab
- Lock

Again, the agent knows nothing about what these mean, only that they can enable and disable each at any time. A good analogy is someone giving you a game controller for a game you've never played. The controller has a stick and two buttons and you figure out what they do by using them. It'd be accurate to call the outputs: stick, A, B rather than move, grab, lock.

Goal:
- Do a good job.

The goal is simply for the reward input to be maximised. A good analogy is saying 'good girl' or giving a treat to a dog that you are training when they do the right thing. It's up to the dog to figure out what it is that they're doing that's good.

The reward is entirely separate from the agent, and agent behaviour can be completely changed just by changing when the reward is given. The demo is about hide and seek, where the agents are rewarded for not being seen / seeing their opponent (and not leaving the play area). The agents also succeeded at other games, where the only difference to the agent was when the reward was given.

It isn't really different from physically building the same play space, dropping some rats in it, and rewarding them with cheese when they are hidden from their opponents - except rats are unlikely to figure out how to maximise their reward in such a 'complex' game.

Given this description of how the AI actually works, the fact they came up with complex strategies like blocking doors, ramp surfing, taking the ramp to stop their opponents from ramp surfing, and just the general cooperation with other agents, without any code describing any of those things - is pretty amazing.

You can find out more about how the agents were trained, and other exercises they performed here:

https://openai.com/blog/emergent-tool-use/

bremnet said:

Another entrant in the incredibly long line of adaptation / adaptive learning / intelligent systems / artificial intelligence demonstrations that aren't. The agents act based on a set of rules / freedoms/constraints prescribed by a human. The agents "learn" based on the objective functions defined by the human. With enough iterations (how many times did the narrator say "millions" in the video) . Sure, it is a good demonstration of how adaptive learning works, but the hype-fog is getting a big thick and sickening folks. This is a very complex optimization problem being solved with impressive and current technologies, but it is certainly not behavioural intelligence.

President Carter on Trump, Russia, and the Election

newtboy says...

Lol.

Ex president and private citizen Vincente Fox?
Ex agent Christopher Steele working as a private citizen?
China, who didn't work with Clinton, even though she joked they might, mimicking instructions Trump gave Russia that they followed within hours?
American newspapers and networks, who have always, and legally, backed specific candidates?

Sorry, not one fits the bill. Try again.

Jesusismypilot said:

You mean like Vicente Fox going on every network against President Trump and for Hillary? The Steele Dossier? "China, if you’re listening, why don’t you get Trump’s tax returns?" - Hillary. Would be great to get that illegal server that somehow disappeared.

Not to mention ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, Comedy Central and all the newspapers... but that collusion doesn't count because it's not a foreign govt. Their influence is a-ok for you and President Carter.

President Carter on Trump, Russia, and the Election

Jesusismypilot says...

You mean like Vicente Fox going on every network against President Trump and for Hillary? The Steele Dossier? "China, if you’re listening, why don’t you get Trump’s tax returns?" - Hillary. Would be great to get that illegal server that somehow disappeared.

Not to mention ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, Comedy Central and all the newspapers... but that collusion doesn't count because it's not a foreign govt. Their influence is a-ok for you and President Carter.

A lesson on Elephant behavior

ForgedReality says...

And you'd have shitty cell reception, so good luck posting about it on social networks.

BSR said:

Because you would have been transported back in time. And there would be no convenience stores either.

Counting Trump's False Claims Using Gumballs

SeesThruYou says...

Oh, sure... everything the Communist News Network says is totally legit. Uh huh. They wouldn't know the truth if it shot at them from a casino hotel window. What they don't show you is how there aren't enough gumballs in the WHOLE WORLD to count the false claims and other bullshit from the liberal side of the aisle.

Unprecedented Partnership between Fox News and Trump

Ain't no wall high enough

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Trump to Give Primetime Address on the Shutdown

newtboy says...

I like his new plan, to take the money directly from the military for the monument to his own stupidity. Republicans should love that.
He's going to be really upset to learn that Mexico has developed ladder technology, making fences and walls obsolete.

Networks should refuse to air his speech and cite President Trump who repeatedly said he might yank the broadcasting license of networks that air fake news and lies as the reason.

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The new supercomputer behind the US nuclear arsenal

spawnflagger says...

Those are just the doors on the rack enclosures. Inside each rack it's quite boring to look at.

Performance wise- it would kill a network (of any size) of PS4 nodes. A huge gain is from the Power9 CPUs connected to the V100 GPUs via NVlink (way faster than PCIe).

But each Sierra node also costs considerably more (Nvidia V100 alone are $10,000 each, a single node has 4), and the network (dual EDR 100Gbps Infiniband with 480x 36-port TOR switches and 9x 648-port director switches) would cost millions of dollars itself.

For those curious, lots more technical details here:
https://computing.llnl.gov/tutorials/sierra/

Payback said:

They look like a network gigantic Playstations...

The new supercomputer behind the US nuclear arsenal



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