@bareboards2

I'm also glad that we can discuss these issues like reasonable people. I apologize if I've come off as unreasonable in the past. The truth is that I'm always willing to talk things out.

I've heard the rhetoric about death panels from both sides; I just haven't put in the effort to separate fact from fiction. Now that I've looked into it, this is what I've found. What you're describing (end of life consultations) is not the same thing as what are now being called death panels in Obamacare. Yes, it is true that the provision you are speaking about was demonized by republicans and ultimately removed from Medicare. I'm actually not sure how I feel about it, because it is a form of assisted suicide, and it could be abused. Some seniors may feel pressured into forgoing care, just as you hear of some people receiving substandard care because they are organ donors.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dad-rescues-brain-dead-son-from-doctors-wishing-to-harvest-his-organs-boy-r

In any case, the conversation has evolved, and we are no longer talking about these end of life consultations when we are talking about death panels. The death panel in Obamacare is an unelected board of 15 "health care experts" (the Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB) who will make critical decisions on what services within Medicare are financially viable, and which aren't. Here is a quote from President Obama in the first debate acknowledging this:

"It — when Gov. Romney talks about this board, for example, unelected board that we’ve created, what this is, is a group of health care experts, doctors, et cetera, to figure out, how can we reduce the cost of care in the system overall?” Obama said.

“Now, so what this board does is basically identifies best practices and says, let’s use the purchasing power of Medicare and Medicaid to help to institutionalize all these good things that we do,” Obama added.

This is also acknowledged by a senior adviser to Obama:

"WE need death panels. Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/opinion/health-care-reform-beyond-obamacare.html?_r=2

So call it death panels, or rationing, the principle is still the same. The recommendations this board makes will become law unless it is overridden by a 2/3's majority vote in congress. Here is a good example of how this type of legislative oversight is making health care "better" (penalizing hospitals for readmitting patients within 30 days):

"Beginning Monday, the hospitals will receive lower reimbursements on Medicare claims filed with the government for each admitted patient. Over the year, the total amount of those reductions will vary from $1.2 million for MedStar Washington Hospital Center in Northwest Washington, the region’s largest private hospital, to about $12,000 for Reston Hospital Center in Virginia. Of 16 hospitals in the District and Northern Virginia, all but three will get paid less."

"Some of the hardest-hit facilities are inner-city hospitals that tend to treat sicker, poorer patients. These patients sometimes end up being readmitted because they have a harder time getting medication and follow-up doctors’ appointments, often because they lack transportation, hospital officials said.

“Not only do we have the very sick patients, they also have very significant social needs,” said Kamaljit Sethi, who heads quality and safety at Providence Hospital in Northeast, where officials estimate they will lose about $320,000 in the coming year."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/hospitals-in-dc-va-to-lose-millions-from-medicare/2012/09/30/2fe0f96c-08ca-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83b
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What this means is that patients with the greatest needs will lose the most services, because the hospitals will no longer be able to serve them because of this penalty. This outcome could turn out to be deadly for thousands of people, ultimately, all in the name of efficiency. This is a perfect illustration as to why Government should have as little power over your health care as possible. Here is testimony from the front lines:

" Today while working my shift in the emergency room, an old lady was brought in very sick and in fact near death. I did my usual workup and evaluation and attempted to administer life saving treatment. It was my plan to admit this woman to the hospital. I found out a little later that this same woman had been a patient here just slightly more than 2 weeks ago with a DIFFERENT DIAGNOSIS. I was told that if this woman was admitted, the hospital would not be paid.

The new Medicare rule now is that if the same Medicare patient is re-admitted to the hospital within 30 days, the hospital will not be paid. When they first started this nonsense they said this only applied to patients with the same diagnosis. Now they have "expanded" the rule to include re-admissions for any reason. So if you're in the hospital for pneumonia, and 3 weeks later, you break your leg.......too bad. Medicare will not pay the hospital to fix your leg."

http://grouchatrighttruth.blogspot.com/2012/10/death-panels-are-here.html

This is completely outrageous, I think you will be forced to agree. Personally, I think we need to have a national conversation about this issue, and both sides need to come together to hammer out this issue. Obamacare is clearly not ready for primetime, and as it stands it is going to hurt people.

As far as your other comments, I'm not limiting myself to any particular news source. I am a political independent and I will share with you that I won't be voting for either candidate this year. I will still participate in the local elections but I cannot vote for either candidate in good conscience. While I am socially and fiscally conservative on many issues, I am liberal on others, such as helping the poor, the environment (within reason), and immigration. I don't fit into a polical cookie cutter and I don't automatically support a candidate because they give God lip service.

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It's interesting how much the video landscape has changed over the years. A major factor in the death or (near death) of video providers has to be the 800 pound YouTube gorilla. For a lot of these guys the plan seems to be to stick to a niche - but even there YouTube is probably better at making you money for your original content than self-hosting.

Reuters, I noticed, has decided to just put everything up on YouTube and do away with their own player. Probably a smart economic move.

Yeah, this was very painful to watch. I just don't know what to do with human beings like this, other than flog them to near-death.

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

At first I was like, meh, then I was like wahhh?


Completely agree.

Which is sad because that means we have become so desensitized from crashes/accidents/near death events that it took the guy flipping out of the truck unharmed for us to be impressed. I'm not sure how it's come to this.

Anywho... Time for me to get back to playing some BF3. I need to pilot a jet and ram it into the enemy's base so I can hijack one of their helicopters in order to blow up some tanks.

THANK YOU!

Saved me typing it out.

In reply to this comment by ChaosEngine:
>> ^lantern53:

Atheism is really the most awful thought, I don't know how anyone can possibly entertain it. Life is so short, what is the point if there is nothing after death.
You may not want to believe in a higher power, but for your own sake or curiosity, do a little research. I recommend studying near death experiences.
Or not, no skin off of my nose if you have no curiosity about the greatest questions of all time.
Fortunately for the wave, the ocean will eventually re-absorb it. Just because the wave doesn't believe in the ocean, doesn't mean the ocean will reject it. The ocean doesn't give a good crap what the wave believes.


Leaving aside the greeting-card level of philosophy on display here, what the fuck does that have to do with this video?

>> ^lantern53:

Atheism is really the most awful thought, I don't know how anyone can possibly entertain it. Life is so short, what is the point if there is nothing after death.
You may not want to believe in a higher power, but for your own sake or curiosity, do a little research. I recommend studying near death experiences.
Or not, no skin off of my nose if you have no curiosity about the greatest questions of all time.
Fortunately for the wave, the ocean will eventually re-absorb it. Just because the wave doesn't believe in the ocean, doesn't mean the ocean will reject it. The ocean doesn't give a good crap what the wave believes.


And yet we're still regularly subjected to this kind of sanctimoniousness kindergarten philosophy.

>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^lantern53:
Atheism is really the most awful thought, I don't know how anyone can possibly entertain it. Life is so short, what is the point if there is nothing after death.
You may not want to believe in a higher power, but for your own sake or curiosity, do a little research. I recommend studying near death experiences.
Or not, no skin off of my nose if you have no curiosity about the greatest questions of all time.
Fortunately for the wave, the ocean will eventually re-absorb it. Just because the wave doesn't believe in the ocean, doesn't mean the ocean will reject it. The ocean doesn't give a good crap what the wave believes.

Leaving aside the greeting-card level of philosophy on display here, what the fuck does that have to do with this video?

>> ^lantern53:

Atheism is really the most awful thought, I don't know how anyone can possibly entertain it. Life is so short, what is the point if there is nothing after death.
You may not want to believe in a higher power, but for your own sake or curiosity, do a little research. I recommend studying near death experiences.
Or not, no skin off of my nose if you have no curiosity about the greatest questions of all time.
Fortunately for the wave, the ocean will eventually re-absorb it. Just because the wave doesn't believe in the ocean, doesn't mean the ocean will reject it. The ocean doesn't give a good crap what the wave believes.


Leaving aside the greeting-card level of philosophy on display here, what the fuck does that have to do with this video?

Near death experiences have been scientifically investigated, and reproduced.

Large power, low frequency EM waves induce similar "white tunnel" prospect.
As does depriving the brain of oxygen.

Its not supernatural, its a hallucination cause your brain gets fucked up as you near death and cant process the world like it should.

Blue screen of death...if you will.

Atheism is really the most awful thought, I don't know how anyone can possibly entertain it. Life is so short, what is the point if there is nothing after death.

You may not want to believe in a higher power, but for your own sake or curiosity, do a little research. I recommend studying near death experiences.

Or not, no skin off of my nose if you have no curiosity about the greatest questions of all time.

Fortunately for the wave, the ocean will eventually re-absorb it. Just because the wave doesn't believe in the ocean, doesn't mean the ocean will reject it. The ocean doesn't give a good crap what the wave believes.

>> ^deathcow:

Oh great! If you stop submitting videos there will only be shitty videos posted. You need to keep submitting videos because you know everyone elses videos suck and basically you're the only thing this place has going for it.


What he said....knock down those kitty viddies and human idiocy through self-imposed near-death scenarios....

Less Politics

Less Death and Mayhem

More Revolutionary and Imposing ideas....free us from the constraints of our own dis-belief!

i always find it interesting when people assume that i get my information from zeitgeist.as if the idea that i studied under a biblical scholar is something to not even be considered.

as for defending the sabbath as being sunday. might i suggest that when you use a souce *cough* wikipedia *cough* that you may wish to read the article in its entirety.

What I am assuming is that you (and the biblical scholar you studied under) are poorly researched, because the information you've provided here:

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen046.html

is nearly completely false.

If you disagree, then please provide pre new testament sources for some of the claims, such as:

Horus having 12 disciples

Horus being a child teacher

Horus being baptized at age 30

Horus walking on water

Horus being known as the way the truth the light lamb of God, etc

Horus being crucified, dead for three days and resurrected

I'll wait..

As far as the Sabbath, I never claimed it was on Sunday. I said Sunday is the Lords day, not the Sabbath.

shiny.
you know i have no interest in changing how you believe or perceive the world around you.
Your faith is your own but please put a tad bit more time into rebuttals when concerning my posts.

If you actually provided a cohesive argument that was sourced, then I would have put more time into it. As it stands, all you did was link to a bunch of unsubstantiated claims.

apply to boston university and get your degree.i hear their theology courses are top notch.
ooooor continue to play whack a mole with every post,comment or inference that challenges your world view based on limited religious and biblical understandings.

I've done the same research you have and come to different conclusions. I used to have some of the same beliefs that you do, remember? I know quite a bit about what you believe and why you believe it. The Lord has shown me these arguments to be foolishness. They are predicated on very poor (or made up) evidence which has been in every case heavily exaggerated. Bible skeptics are willing to believe anything that is contrary to the bible being accurate, and never apply the same level of skepticism to those arguments.

i am sorry if that offends or hurts you but i read your posts and it is painfully obvious that you dont know what you are talking about concerning religious history.

so.try seminary school.
graduate and then our arguments can become legendary!

There isn't much to argue about. You've rejected the Lord Jesus Christ, and you teach others to do the same. You want to do things your own way, and you're willing to risk that you won't face judgment for your sins. God is willing to open your eyes, if you would humble yourself and repent.

oh.and another thing.scholars are still unsure of the exact date of resurrection.
just sayin....

For you, man is authoritative on these issues. I believe Gods word.

>> ^enoch

>> ^enoch:

>> ^lurgee:
i have always wanted to stone jesus freaks that work on a sunday at wally world.
praise the lard!

the sabbath is actually saturday.
the irony is that sunday is representative of the sun god amen ra.
sun god.
sun day.
see: horus
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen046.html
(i couldnt resist using this site as a reference.oh how i do love delicious irony)


http://stupidevilbastard.com/2005/01/ending_the_myth_of_horus/

Use your head for second..do you think that's what Sunday means in Hebrew? We worship on the Lords day, which is Sunday, because that is the day of the resurrection.

why do christians have to copy other beliefs?>> ^enoch:

>> ^lurgee:
i have always wanted to stone jesus freaks that work on a sunday at wally world.
praise the lard!

the sabbath is actually saturday.
the irony is that sunday is representative of the sun god amen ra.
sun god.
sun day.
see: horus
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen046.html
(i couldnt resist using this site as a reference.oh how i do love delicious irony)

>> ^lurgee:

i have always wanted to stone jesus freaks that work on a sunday at wally world.
praise the lard!


the sabbath is actually saturday.
the irony is that sunday is representative of the sun god amen ra.
sun god.
sun day.
see: horus
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen046.html

(i couldnt resist using this site as a reference.oh how i do love delicious irony)