In your first paragraph you paint the picture of absent federalism or nullification, practically pre-civil war state power restored. If it'd come to that, I think the USA would cease to exist in its current form of 50 states.

2nd paragraph: Aurens hinted at the antitrust laws being too lenient. I agree that money needs to be taken out of the political process, but I don't think dissolving anti-trust instead of fixing and enforcing it is preferable.

third paragraph and following: American Dream and American Exceptionalism and Excellence have turned negative, i agree.

My rant : I think RP'S fight against selfishness is in the wrong direction, but social policies are decried as "Socialism!" too fast, succumbing to scaretactics, which sadly work. Imho, market libertarianism is a political ideology: The solution to everything is "free market!" and "Voluntary everything!"; this sounds nice, but will likely fail, because everything is too complex for a one-phrase-solution. "How will our country prosper? - Communism!"

I (think I) know how it works, I've been ideological myself, it is very nice to think one's movement as better than all other movements, and everyone else is wrong. All solutions of my movement will work, and all imperfections couldn't be helped, they who fell through the cracks did not trust the movement enough.

Isms do not hold the answer,imo, not statism, not liberalism, not communism, not fascism, not liberalism, and not conservativism. Instead of trying to see how an -ism can provide the solution, a politician should just try to find the best solution. Rant end.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

Or you could just choose a state that represents your ideas and move there--where laws could prevent wanton firing, the state could have a universal health plan, etc. Problem is, people would be rebelling against their own stupidity. They would be to lazy and complacent to vote via boycott to create honest corporations...
Besides, we already have mega corps that are bleeding us dry from the throat, and then moving on. We are already in decline.
And besides that, we all note that RP is more a movement than anything. Those lazy, arrogant, cocky bastards who go day-to-day about their lives with only a care about themselves--that's what RP is fighting against. Is he doing it wrong? Sure. But that's not the point. Someone has to fight it.
"American excellency." How horrible a lie! How decadent, how evil, pure evil! That attitude is rotting us from inside out. And most Americans believe it! But RP says NO. And that is why I like him.
Off soapbox.

Or you could just choose a state that represents your ideas and move there--where laws could prevent wanton firing, the state could have a universal health plan, etc. Problem is, people would be rebelling against their own stupidity. They would be to lazy and complacent to vote via boycott to create honest corporations...

Besides, we already have mega corps that are bleeding us dry from the throat, and then moving on. We are already in decline.

And besides that, we all note that RP is more a movement than anything. Those lazy, arrogant, cocky bastards who go day-to-day about their lives with only a care about themselves--that's what RP is fighting against. Is he doing it wrong? Sure. But that's not the point. Someone has to fight it.

"American excellency." How horrible a lie! How decadent, how evil, pure evil! That attitude is rotting us from inside out. And most Americans believe it! But RP says NO. And that is why I like him.

*Off soapbox.

>> ^DerHasisttot:

>> ^aurens:
"He's not really promoting that people need to take more responsibility for others, he's promoting the idea that you shouldn't ever be held responsible for anyone but yourself."
This is the main fallacy of your post. Ron Paul does believe that we have a responsibility towards others. He doesn't believe, though, that it's the government's role to enforce that responsibility. Until you understand that distinction, you'll continue to misunderstand his message.
>> ^NetRunner:
Or...it just points out that implementing his policies would lead to a nightmare dystopia, and that he's not really helping push society in a more compassionate, altruistic direction ...

I think NR gets that, but I can only speak for myself:
Let's say RP gets his ideology through to the presidency and would have 76% of all seats filled with people that share the same ideology, supreme court as well, and ditto for the military (just for completeness). Abolish the national health care system and all other governmental social securities. All regulations and all subsidies get canned, plus: No more wars on foreign soil. Small government.
So let's assume that all people who were laid off in the social sector are immediately hired by the free market companies, all the laid off military personnel from foreign bases find some jobs. Plus: Everyone's net pay comes out as it would be without the taxes.
Let's assume patent laws are still in existence: Drug companies holding a patent can charge whatever price they want, other companies would have to field the costly research themselves to come up with a similar patent. --> costly and ineffective.
If there are no more patents, no company would do research for new patents to stay in business.

People can get fired on a whim without regulations. As there will be no more anti-trust laws in the free market, companies will merge until mega-cons rule a specific field of commerce. Wages will be low, as there will be enough replacement workforce. People spend their money on the expensive food (no subsidies), expensive public transport (no subsidies, high prices for gas) and their rents (which would most likely also be high, as their landlords need more money).
Healtcareproviders will be either expensive or underfunded. The underfunded ones only pay out for immediate threats of life. Only few charities with rich backers have enough income to provide for their employees and selectively only grant moneys as dictated yb their rich backer: Most likely to employees of his firm. What happens to people without jobs? Completely dependant on charity. Around the few charitable organisations, slums are built by the people who rely on the distributed food. Many of these people get hired for the day just for a little money and a bit of food.
Soem are kept by rich people as their personal poor they care for (see India).
People start flocking to the remaining rich states, large areas of middle-America are depopulated, as the aging communities cannot sustain themselves. Farmer is the most popular job again.
The poor revolt, the underfunded police force joins them. Private security of the rich fires into the crowds.
Dystopian? Can't happen? Tell me why. Tell me why any of the things would not be as described without regulations and subsidies and social welfare. I await your response.

I haven't been following this whole NotW scandal very closely. Just a couple vids from the sift. But isn't it correct that Murdoch had not assumed any control over the company? Wasn't he just about to buy it? If so, I'm not sure how this is relevant, except to show how some horrible CEOs can rot a company from the inside-out.

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*isdupe>> ^rottenseed:

this is just a portion of a video that has already been posted on here
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Disney World is nothing but a bloated corpse floating in a sun broiled marsh that's been stamped inside & out with that unholy company logo to make it seem "fun"..

Florida is a pit..

No amount of disgruntled Safari animals, themed non-roller coaster rides and 5 dollar bottles of water is gonna change that.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

^Ah, don't get so offended. I have a feeling Jon and Steve would find this perspective thoughtful. Stewart and Colbert have, themselves, both commented on the fallacy of 'there are two equally valid points of view to every issue'.


If they've done that then Maher should shut up further. In fact he should turn inside out with the completeness of his shut uppery! Because he's not just out of order he's just factually wrong.

>> ^ghark:

>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^ghark:
>> ^acidSpine:
Wait isn't prop 19 about weed... not crystal meth?

there's a difference?

Yeah. Weed doesn't rot you away from the inside out. Weed doesn't make you violent and stay up for days on end swimming in paranoid delusions that everyone's out to get you, or the cops are about ready to raid your house any minute. Weed doesn't make you rob your family and friends of their belongings alienating you from them possibly for life so you can get your next bag. Shall I go on?

Yes please (I was kidding)


My apologies then. Hard to tell when someone is kidding or not when reading text

>> ^Duckman33:

>> ^ghark:
>> ^acidSpine:
Wait isn't prop 19 about weed... not crystal meth?

there's a difference?

Yeah. Weed doesn't rot you away from the inside out. Weed doesn't make you violent and stay up for days on end swimming in paranoid delusions that everyone's out to get you, or the cops are about ready to raid your house any minute. Weed doesn't make you rob your family and friends of their belongings alienating you from them possibly for life so you can get your next bag. Shall I go on?


Yes please (I was kidding)

>> ^ghark:

>> ^acidSpine:
Wait isn't prop 19 about weed... not crystal meth?

there's a difference?


Yeah. Weed doesn't rot you away from the inside out. Weed doesn't make you violent and stay up for days on end swimming in paranoid delusions that everyone's out to get you, or the cops are about ready to raid your house any minute. Weed doesn't make you rob your family and friends of their belongings alienating you from them possibly for life so you can get your next bag. Shall I go on?

Would this be before or after I was turned inside out in of the vacuum of space?

What on Earth makes Palin think America can supply it's own energy demands, even if they rape Alaska inside-out. The only solution put on the table was vote Republican.

I think everyone in the world should get a say in who the American President is. Call me crazy but if it were so do you think Bush would have been elected even once?

>> ^bcglorf:
It's existed unchanged for millions of years and is threatened by current warming????
One of those kind of has to be false. If it's survived unchanged for millions of years it's been through both much warmer and much colder temperatures, meaning current warming is nothing this creature hasn't already survived many times over before.


Selective hearing?

"They are threatened by ocean warming, decreasing oxygen, pollution, over-fishing, industrialization, and dozens of other changes taking place in the deep."

Perhaps he's referring to a combination of the above? Personally, I don't know enough about this matter to defend or refute any of the points.

Your video, Vampire squid turns itself "inside out", has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

Listen Fox, it's not "one world order" It's "one world GOVERNMENT" or "NEW world order". Jeez. These guys probably wear their tinfoil hats inside out.