>> ^smooman:

>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^owatadorkiam:
no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.

I didn't know the term "tone-deaf" described a real thing...but it does. And you suffer from it.

owatadorkiam is not tone deaf. I'm a vocalist (yes I was paid to do it for a living at one time in my life) and sorry to say I didn't hear any sour notes. Granted she's no virtuoso, but she's not singing off key at all. What I expected to hear was horribly out of tune singing and heard nothing of the sort. And yes, I really wanted to hear her choke.

yes, he most certainly is, and it would appear you are as well. an avid musician myself, this made me cringe....BUT went ahead and had my mother, a pianist and classically trained vocalist for over 40 years, my brother, a professionally trained vocalist and avid musician (you should here his Faithfully by journey, hit it at karaoke this last weekend and he fucking OWNED it), and my good friend Mandy, a vocalist and musician by hobby who trained under one of Jessica Simpsons former vocal coaches.....
and they unanimously agreed that she fucking sucks. and not just the talky verses (cuz i know thats kind of her unique stlye) but the chorus and prechorus (especially the prechorus)
you didnt hear any sour notes? that sentence alone condemns you as tonedeaf. It wasnt chock full of em but there were PLENTY to choose from.
what i will say is this: she is certainly trained, she can carry a tune (sort of), but she is mediocre at best
but thats the music industry for you. me and my brother have been in bands playing locally trying to get exposure since we were in high school........and justin fucking beiber gets a multi million contract?
it has little to nothing to do with how talented or unique you are and everything to do with one of two things: luck/right place right time, or knowing the right people


"My musician friends can beat up your musician friends!!! Derp derp!"

Look, I also used to sing "Faithfully", "Lights", "Separate Ways" along with "I want to Know What Love Is" (Foreigner), some Skid Row, Motley Crue, Nirvana, Def Leppard, Van Hagar, Van Halen, etc, etc. and many other songs from many other bands in my bands. I sang 6 nights a week 5 hours a night in one of the highest paid bands on the bar circuit at the time. I was told on a nightly basis that I covered the songs we played live better than the most of the original artists in a lot of cases. But yeah, whatever you say, I'm tone deaf. LOL I have been singing in bands since I was 17 and I'm 47 now. I'm pretty sure that alone qualifies me to have an opinion on her singing skills. So please don't try to lecture me on my ears, or singing ability.

My question is; Where exactly did I say she didn't suck? What part of me saying, "What I expected to hear was horribly out of tune singing" and "I really wanted her to choke" didn't you understand? Yes, I heard no sour notes. At least not any that made me cringe. Do I really have to explain my comment to that extent for you to comprehend what I was saying?

Sorry your brother couldn't make the grade. Life is tough, huh? And I'm glad he "fucking OWNED it" in a karaoke bar. (seriously? LOL) Sounds like you have a bunch of sour grapes to me. Period.

>> ^Duckman33:

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^owatadorkiam:
no processing on the vocals....she seems to still hit all the right notes...I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound that bad.

I didn't know the term "tone-deaf" described a real thing...but it does. And you suffer from it.

owatadorkiam is not tone deaf. I'm a vocalist (yes I was paid to do it for a living at one time in my life) and sorry to say I didn't hear any sour notes. Granted she's no virtuoso, but she's not singing off key at all. What I expected to hear was horribly out of tune singing and heard nothing of the sort. And yes, I really wanted to hear her choke.


yes, he most certainly is, and it would appear you are as well. an avid musician myself, this made me cringe....BUT went ahead and had my mother, a pianist and classically trained vocalist for over 40 years, my brother, a professionally trained vocalist and avid musician (you should here his Faithfully by journey, hit it at karaoke this last weekend and he fucking OWNED it), and my good friend Mandy, a vocalist and musician by hobby who trained under one of Jessica Simpsons former vocal coaches.....

and they unanimously agreed that she fucking sucks. and not just the talky verses (cuz i know thats kind of her unique stlye) but the chorus and prechorus (especially the prechorus)

you didnt hear any sour notes? that sentence alone condemns you as tonedeaf. It wasnt chock full of em but there were PLENTY to choose from.

what i will say is this: she is certainly trained, she can carry a tune (sort of), but she is mediocre at best

but thats the music industry for you. me and my brother have been in bands playing locally trying to get exposure since we were in high school........and justin fucking beiber gets a multi million contract?

it has little to nothing to do with how talented or unique you are and everything to do with one of two things: luck/right place right time, or knowing the right people

Happy Easter my good friend. You are truly missed. I wish you all things wonderful.

Astoundingly bad. So I have to *promote.

Didn't Red Letter Media make the point about Ob's line in a New Hope where he says something about Anakin being "a good friend"!? Or did I get that wrong?

Goota love that Dave / Lars hug, those guys were very good friends before all the fuss.
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I somewhat disagree with him on this particular item. I think that the word "atheist" is just a shortcut around some opening-round questions.

We can elect to avoid labeling ourselves as such, but the simple fact of the matter is that anyone who asks me the question "Do you believe in any god/gods/supreme being?", to which I answer "no", is going to label me as an atheist whether I self-apply it or not. Furthermore, refusing to self-apply the label just gives the detractors an excuse to give a dismissive, haughty little laugh to themselves and think "well, if they are so sure of themselves, why are they trying to weasel out of this rather simple term?".

I think "atheist" is often used as a loaded term along the lines of "gay", and related words whether used in an attempt to be derogatory or not. When some idiotic 13 year old (its OK, I was an idiot when I was 13 too) says "this food is gay", "this music is gay", etc. their use of the term in that way says much more about themselves than about whatever they are applying it to. When a somewhat more mature, yet tragically not yet mature enough adult calls a homosexual a "fag", they are usually applying the term in a way that is meant to shut down discussion. Fag, worthy of derision or not worthy of any consideration whatsoever, end of story.

"Atheist" is used by many religious people in much the same way. This person doesn't believe what I believe, their lack of vision is worthy of derision or at best they should just be ignored, end of story. However, in both instances it is very clear for any witnesses capable of rational evaluation that this person doesn't have anything of real substance to bring to the discussion. They are, in effect, parading their bias and ignorance for all to see.

So I tend to think that a much better approach to this labeling than avoidance is to embrace it. Yes, I am an atheist. Many people will make stereotypical judgments about me based on an association of my with that term. However, the only way to break those stereotypes is to freely accept the label, and provide counterexamples to them as living proof that they are false. That guy freely acknowledges that he is an atheist, yet maybe he is polite. Perhaps he has a family with well-mannered children. He may seem to be a moral/ethical individual. He can be a good friend. All of these things in spite of what the zealot in the pulpit would have many believe about the dreaded "atheists".

It took some time (and will take more) for many people to figure out that "teh gays" aren't all child molesters, they probably won't try to rape you if you happen to meet one on a dark street at night, etc. in spite of what the pope might insinuate or flat out say about them. People accepting that atheists aren't bogeymen will take some time too.

and the same to you! We just got back from visiting various families for several days. Good to see everyone. Did you do anything fun?

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I can't help but still like him on screen. He has screen charisma, that's for darn sure.

But I think a lot of the truly great actors are pretty darn screwed up personally and have some huge issues.

I think, as a friend, Mel would probably be a good friend. He obviously has a hell of a temper and also has some issues carried over from his dad's very wrong world viewpoint.

He's like Tom Cruise a little on that front. I think Tom is great on screen also, I have faaar more issue with his personal beliefs than Mel's (although Mel is pretty hardcore religious too of course).