You ground me in reality, because i remember you are just an ant and therefore celibate.

"Ooohhhh, He'll never get laid again, dude! Grab the porn buddy!"
"Ugh, what a prick. We all know this loser will now be celibate forever."

If any of you ever had the balls to try something like this you would know if actually makes the girl you are with like you more, and it gives you a funny story to tell so you can make more friends and attract more girls after you get tired of the current one. WOMEN CONSTANTLY LIE TO YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT THEY THINK IS REALLY ATTRACTIVE.

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I don't know - it wasn't as sad as I thought it would be. The reactions were generally pretty good from people. Sucks that he feels he has to live a celibate life just because of some 200 year-old church doctrine. I don't mind spirituality - shame organised religion has to screw it all up.

Christians should be celibate. For life.

Next they'll try to make me feel bad for even having sex in the first place!!!

Oh wait...
WAIT

NEXT they'll try to make me feel bad for jerking off!!!

oh wait...
wait...

NEXT NEXT NEXT they'll try to make me feel bad for even thinking about women, you know want me to really get involved with the church and stay celibate to the point that I'm driven to molest altar boys!!!

oh wait...
Oh well, start up the blender I guess.

Quick! Someone explain why morality politics were invented!

Remember Kennedy? Didn't he fuck around a lot? Why didn't anyone care back then? I seem to remember him being a well liked President. All this bullshit "the morality of our leaders" crap is nothing but a marketing technique. Like Bill Maher said of Bush the First "LOOK AT ME, I FUCK MY WIFE! WE ARE THE WIFE FUCKERS! VOTE FOR US, WE FUCK OUR WIFES!"

I also seem to recall that an animal-loving vegetarian celibate (sorry for the Godwin) was one of the crappiest leaders ever. The bottom line is, all of this personal life politics is bullshit. Who the hell cares what leaders do in their personal time? We REALLY should care how we are affected by their political actions, and there is no denying the positive power of Julian's actions, which is why the corporate tards at CNN and the rest are left with no option but play the smear card.

>> ^harry:


And I can't believe this is a Catholic exclusive problem. Or is it? You don't hear much about abuse from other religious social workers (whatever you call them.. priests, rabbis, vicars). Why's that?


Well, humans have not evolved to be celibate creatures. The Catholic Church, and most other major religions for that matter, are profoundly messed up in this matter. They regard sex as something to be tolerated for the purposes of procreation. A necessary evil. I don't know how or why they arrived at this ridiculous position, but at least most other religions allow their ministers to marry.

If you go looking for a group of people who are willing subjugate their normal human desires, it's not hard to believe that you will find some deeply disturbed psyches in that group. Apply it to a large enough group (over 400,000 priests according to wikipedia) and you're bound to find some individuals who will cross the line.

SOMEONE SAYS "IS THIS OKAY" YOU SAY?
Gone-The Oohlas

WHAT WOULD BEST DESCRIBE YOUR PERSONALITY?
Buffy Theme-The Breeders

WHAT DO YOU LIKE IN A GUY/GIRL?
Come On-Tean and Sara

HOW DO YOU FEEL TODAY?
Paperback Writer- The Beatles

WHAT IS YOUR LIFE'S PURPOSE?
Sugar, Sugar- The Archies

WHAT IS YOUR MOTTO?
She Smiled Sweetly-The Rollin Stones

WHAT DO YOUR FRIENDS THINK OF YOU?
You've got to Hide Your Love Away-The Beatles

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF YOUR PARENTS?
Bang On-The Breeders (ewwwww.....)

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT VERY OFTEN?
I Will Survive

WHAT IS 2+2?
Gone for Good-The Shins

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF YOUR BEST FRIEND?
The First- Tegan and Sara

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE PERSON YOU LIKE?
Energy- The Apples in Stereo

WHAT IS YOUR LIFE STORY?
Broken Face-Pixies

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO BE WHEN YOU GROW UP?
The Celibate Life- The Shins

WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU SEE THE PERSON YOU LIKE?
Shuffle Your Feet-Black Rebel Motorcycle Club

WHAT DO YOUR PARENTS THINK OF YOU?
Here No More- The Breeders

WHAT WILL YOU DANCE TO AT YOUR WEDDING?
Hi-Ho Silver Lining- Jeff Beck

WHAT WILL THEY PLAY AT YOUR FUNERAL?
Sweet Caroline- Neil Diamond

WHAT IS YOUR HOBBY/INTEREST?
Cigarettes and Chocolate Milk- Rufus Wainwright

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF YOUR FRIENDS?
Walk It Off- The Breeders

WHATS THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN?
Do You Love Me Now- The Breeders

HOW WILL YOU DIE?
Here Comes the Sun- The Beatles

WHAT IS THE ONE THING YOU REGRET?
Walking With a Ghost- Tegan and Sara

WHAT MAKES YOU LAUGH?
Heroin- The Velvet Underground

WHAT MAKES YOU CRY?
I Don't Do Crowds-Camera Obscura

WILL YOU EVER GET MARRIED?
Hoverin'- The Breeders

WHAT SCARES YOU THE MOST?
Venus in Furs- The Velvet Underground

DOES ANYONE LIKE YOU?
Divine Hammer- The Breeders

IF YOU COULD GO BACK IN TIME, WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE?
Small Parts- The Oohlas

WHAT HURTS RIGHT NOW?
Girl on the Wing- The Shins

technically speaking both sides of the priest molestation are right.
man evolved to enjoy sex, and to a certain degree even need it, or at least some relative alternative. by remaining celibate these priests are pushing the boundaries of withholding an instinct, in this case one of the most base and important ones. (from an evolutionary standpoint) and some people, one way or another will not be able to restrain that instinct.

it still comes back to choice however. if a priest really can't hold back his instinctual urge to procreate or release in some way, he has a choice. to do so by one method or another, or to leave the priesthoood and pursue a non-celibate life. every priest has that choice. however, due to the training and the immense amount of pressure placed upon them once they donned the priesthood, the 2nd choice sometimes doesn't even occur to them. so they end up making the worst decision of them all. to ensure their own short term relief at the cost of another human beings self-esteem, well being, and mental/physical health.

Recently, here in California, a married lesbian couple was recently turned away from an insemination clinic because the doctors there were against homosexual couples having kids of their own. The doctors referred them to another clinic, and they successfully became pregnant after that.

The couple went on to sue, successfully, that their rights were infringed upon when the doctors refused to help them become pregnant. This is about access to a resource by a minority group.

This is another side to this issue, not just access to abortion, but for the greater civil right of homosexual couples to pursue adoption and artificial insemination.

Or the teenage girl from the Midwest who's pharmacist refused to fill her birth control Rx. The nutjob would rather impose his belief that girls her age should remain celibate than do his job. That was a few years back, and I'm pretty sure he got raked over the coals for it.

What ever happened to the Hippocratic oath? "First, Do No Harm." Seems easy enough? When did it become "First, impose your beliefs, then help when they subscribe to your belief system."

Book review from Publishers Weekly:

A brilliant and important exercise in exposing the limitations of received opinion, this book presents to the lay reader and specialist alike an exhaustively argued case that animals have multiple shades of sexual orientation.

The book is broken into two sections, the second containing species "portraits" detailing recorded homosexual/transgendered behaviors. The main portion of the book sets out to reveal and, indeed, revel in the documented evidence to date that some 450 species engage in both sustained and occasional "gay," "lesbian" and transgendered pairing, parenting and play. Animals (both heterosexual and homosexual) also rape and divorce, commit "child" abuse and infidelity and can be lifelong celibates.

Human claims to uniqueness in this arena are shown to be increasingly difficult to maintain. The overall effect is to detonate the myth that animals are solely driven by heterosexual reproductive urges, as Bagemihl, a biologist, amasses evidence with case study after case study of species ranging from whiptail lizards to bottlenose dolphins, flamingoes, vampire bats and giraffes.

But his book offers more than a zoological laundry list. Biologists who have long classified these behaviors as taking place only in "abnormal" conditions or as "pseudo-copulation," "mistakes," "practicing" and domineering sexual bullying are frequently shown to be willfully ignoring behavior that does not reflect their own worldview or accepted scientific thought.

What might so easily have turned into a tub-thumping activist tract hitched to the need for acceptance of homosexuality among humans is instead elevated to a hugely inclusive, celebratory biological interpretation of the world. Bagemihl convincingly overturns previous inviolable "truths" that scarcity and functionality are the prime agents of biological change, and advances instead the idea that abundance and extravagance ("biological exuberance") are just as crucial to the mosaic of life. Numerous illustrations by John Megahan.

By "abundance and extravagance," I guess they mean, if it overall results in more reproduction, evolution can benefit from turning up biologically-expensive sexual impulses so high that in some cases it results in non-reproductive copulation.

I'm voting this up, because I want someone with more time than me to work out if it's serious or not.

The youtube account is called CollegeCelibacy, and this is their only video.

Their profile has this scary bit of insanity:

"It begins as a gentle swimmer, desperately searching for that ultimate goal; that female gob of fertile madness. It reaches this fertile madness and mixes and mixes, amalgamating like microfusion; creating a complex spirit filled with conundrums, paradigms and strange fixations. It enters the world estranged and alienated, relying on the oral sensations of it's maternal tit. This oral dependency progresses into deeper, more complex and demanding complexes and dependences. It discovers a new "ultimate goal", pushing hard and desperately, searching for that new and novel female gob of fertile madness. It continues, on and on, perpetuating this cycle. Seeking out the seed. Succumbing to the fixations and succumbing to the addictions. It begins to seek out a new seed. It suddenly stops, and is struck by a blinding light of bliss. It becomes enlightened, and begins to understand and embrace a new "ultimate goal". To seek out the noble, honourable, and virtuous values of celibacy."

One had better bloody hope its a joke. Denying perfectly natural urges just for the sake of denying them is really never the answer. SURE, don't be promiscuous and sleep around and have unprotected sex, don't treat sex as just this light hearted nothing. BUT at the same time, if you're in a caring relationship with trust, why not? If you remain celibate until you're married you may well indeed find that you are incompatible in the bedroom, and while sex isn't everything in a relationship, it is indeed important.

Look, people should completely be able to say no, to not jump on the sex bandwagon if they don't want to, should be able to not feel embarrassed about being a virgin, but starting these 'clubs' and groups of celibacy advocates only makes people feel really wrong and conflicted when they do get into a committed relationship and want to take it further. It's ok to have sex, it's ok to not have sex, don't pressure people into it either way, give them plenty of knowledge, let them know the risks (emotional and physical) and let them work it out on their own, never make them feel bad for choosing one way or the other.

I ain't celibate. But my livestock wish I was.

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
did you know that Lenny Kravitz is celibate? And not the kind of celibate that you and I are, but by choice. Although, I don't blame him, after Lisa Bonet, the rest seem like trailer trash.

did you know that Lenny Kravitz is celibate? And not the kind of celibate that you and I are, but by choice. Although, I don't blame him, after Lisa Bonet, the rest seem like trailer trash.

"comment rating sucks"

care to expand on this looris? I think it would act as a source of reinforcement for users to write better comments - simple behavioural conditioning.

"is that like more prostitutes for the celibate monks?"

glasses for blind people.. fresh water for dead fish..