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Why Obama is one of the most consequential presidents ever

bobknight33 says...

Obama is the worst president in over 50 years. Worse than Jimmy Carter. And that is saying a lot.
Obama care is failing and collapsing under its its own weight.

It was to provide care for the 20- 30 million Americans who could not afford or have HC. Now there are still 20 -30 million who can not afford it.

Opening relations to a fucking communist is not a good thing.
8 years of dismal economic growth. That's trick down economics.

No growth policies that stimulated business to any great extent.

The only thing Obama did of substance is given us 20 trillion in debt and gender neutral bathrooms. That is shameful.

Megyn Kelly Confronts Texas Lt Governor Over Trans Bathrooms

Phreezdryd says...

Aside from all the ridiculous and seemingly evidence free rhetoric of bogeymen in dresses attacking girls in bathrooms, I'm curious to know how they handle the locker room/shower situation.

Am I mistaken to assume they're saying a trans girl with a boys body would be accepted by girls in the locker room, and its just old prejudices holding that up?

Jennifer Lawrence talks about being attacked by James Mcavoy

Liberal Redneck tells off Am Family Assoc Target boycott

Liberal Redneck tells off Am Family Assoc Target boycott

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Let's Talk About Bathrooms

MilkmanDan says...

I think people going into the obviously incorrect bathroom will get challenged, no matter what rules / laws are on the books. Laws can punish extreme challenges / reactions, but they can't prevent them.

I can't say whether that is a good or bad thing (I suppose there are reasonable arguments for both), but it does tend to support the "what's the point" side...

harlequinn said:

No force fields, just people who will challenge you. I.e. in almost all the world, in general, if the someone tries to enter the opposite sex's bathroom, they will be challenged. Yes, if nobody is around then nobody will challenge them.

You won't need a wig and dress under the new system. You'll only need to walk straight in, in full male clothing. No one will challenge you because they'll be under the assumption that you identify as the female gender.

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Let's Talk About Bathrooms

Barbar says...

I don't think anyone is concerned about the sexual assault of children while their parents are present. The bogeyman that infects parent's minds is that the unattended child, who is naive and incredibly trusting of adults, will be taken advantage of.

I think that the entire notion of the sexual assault of children is grossly over represented in our media and our perception. I'm just saying that changing which bathroom you want the supposedly 'risky' individuals to use only changes which children you put at 'risk'. Nothing is solved.

harlequinn said:

That's only partially true. Under a certain age, about 8 or so years old, male children will invariably go to the female bathroom with their mothers, or male bathroom with their fathers. Going to the female bathroom with their mother reduces the exposure to male pedophiles (and they represent most pedophiles).

Whether or not it reduces risk of harm is doubtful since they are accompanied by a parent anyway.

If someone can confidently show with a study showing that allowing cross bathroom use won't increase anyone's risk from sexual predators (and I'm not referring to transgender or transsexual people) then that should shut down the issue pretty quick.

Let's Talk About Bathrooms

Let's Talk About Bathrooms

harlequinn says...

I cleaned for years too. I disagree. In my experience women's bathrooms are in general much cleaner.

Ergo, the problem with anecdotes.

Mordhaus said:

As a person who cleaned restrooms while I was in college, I can say that women's rooms are just as bad as men's. You just haven't lived until you've tried to unclog a toilet that got clogged by a sanitary napkin some idiot tried to flush with their poo.

Additionally, at least in college restrooms, the likelihood of puke was much higher on the female side.

Let's Talk About Bathrooms

harlequinn says...

No force fields, just people who will challenge you. I.e. in almost all the world, in general, if the someone tries to enter the opposite sex's bathroom, they will be challenged. Yes, if nobody is around then nobody will challenge them.

You won't need a wig and dress under the new system. You'll only need to walk straight in, in full male clothing. No one will challenge you because they'll be under the assumption that you identify as the female gender.

So to be clear, this will increase the opportunities for people to enter the opposite sex's bathroom. That is the extra risk.

Just to clear up some general confusion I see:

You can be transgender and not change your clothing or sexual appearance.

You can be transsexual and still be cisgender. I.e. you can have sexual reassignment, or cross-dress and remain cisgender.

dannym3141 said:

Do the toilets everywhere else in the world have magical force fields on them that stop the opposite sex entering the wrong bathroom, or what? Have i been using the antiquated honour-system bathrooms where it's an open door that humans can pass freely through?

The reason i ask is because there seems to be an unspoken agreement in this discussion that "allowing" transgender men into female bathrooms CREATES the problem of sexual predators going into women's bathrooms.

How many sexual predators have been keeping a dress, a wig and fake breasts in the cupboard hoping and praying for the moment that they pass the law which magically opens up this previously inaccessible area? The idea that sex offenders have been walking past women's bathrooms all this time desperate and yet unable to get in, and now we're going to turn off the force fields and things will be different!

This doesn't create a new risk. Sexual predators can go into women's bathrooms right now. And you can't go in and check before your daughter uses it, so how do you know one isn't in there? What extra risk is there?

Let's Talk About Bathrooms

ChaosEngine says...

Hence, why I suggested one bathroom for urinals and one for stalls.

That said, I obviously frequent a better class of public bathroom than you as most of the ones I've been in weren't swimming in urine

artician said:

Have you ever been in a woman's bathroom? I have. There's no urine in there. I mean, on the floor. I know, right? I always thought that was universal; public bathroom = swimming in urine, globs of wet tissue, and I just threw up a little thinking of the other stuff.

Women's bathrooms aren't anything like that. Sometimes one of them doesn't dispose of a tampon right, which can be yucky, but otherwise: no urine. Doesn't even smell that bad!

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for a unified society and breaking down gender roles and segregation, but I wouldn't force a men's room on anyone.

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artician jokingly says...

Have you ever been in a woman's bathroom? I have. There's no urine in there. I mean, on the floor. I know, right? I always thought that was universal; public bathroom = swimming in urine, globs of wet tissue, and I just threw up a little thinking of the other stuff.

Women's bathrooms aren't anything like that. Sometimes one of them doesn't dispose of a tampon right, which can be yucky, but otherwise: no urine. Doesn't even smell that bad!

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for a unified society and breaking down gender roles and segregation, but I wouldn't force a men's room on anyone.

ChaosEngine said:

Oh FFS ,why do we even have gendered bathrooms anyway? Just have a room with a bunch of urinals and a separate room with a bunch of stalls. Use one if you can urinate standing up and the other if you want to sit down.

People need to get over this and stop being so fucking precious.

Let's Talk About Bathrooms

dannym3141 says...

Do the toilets everywhere else in the world have magical force fields on them that stop the opposite sex entering the wrong bathroom, or what? Have i been using the antiquated honour-system bathrooms where it's an open door that humans can pass freely through?

The reason i ask is because there seems to be an unspoken agreement in this discussion that "allowing" transgender men into female bathrooms CREATES the problem of sexual predators going into women's bathrooms.

How many sexual predators have been keeping a dress, a wig and fake breasts in the cupboard hoping and praying for the moment that they pass the law which magically opens up this previously inaccessible area? The idea that sex offenders have been walking past women's bathrooms all this time desperate and yet unable to get in, and now we're going to turn off the force fields and things will be different!

This doesn't create a new risk. Sexual predators can go into women's bathrooms right now. And you can't go in and check before your daughter uses it, so how do you know one isn't in there? What extra risk is there?

Let's Talk About Bathrooms

bcglorf says...

We have gendered bathrooms because men are pigs. In prison, even men are warned to be careful and watch themselves in the bathrooms. No, most of the population isn't made of people out to commit sexual assaults. However, I can appreciate women not wanting to have to wonder if the men sharing the bathroom with them are one just this time.

More practically than that, we are sexual creatures and bathroom etiquette would be complicated. Can't have that...

ChaosEngine said:

Oh FFS ,why do we even have gendered bathrooms anyway? Just have a room with a bunch of urinals and a separate room with a bunch of stalls. Use one if you can urinate standing up and the other if you want to sit down.

People need to get over this and stop being so fucking precious.



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