>> ^shinyblurry:

Yes, 6000 years. Don't take my word for it..look up the artifacts he mentions. The bible says that before the flood humans were quite advanced..and this is evidence for it. Can our understanding of history account for ancient batteries that generate electricity? How about a computer that can do addition subtraction multiplication and division? Models of modern airplanes? Heiroglyphics of helicopters? Obviously we have it wrong if any of those things existed. Wake up, you're being lied to.
>> ^kulpims:
shiny, you christians are total idiots. you advocate that the Earth, universe, everything is like, what - 6000 years old? and now you come up with this bullshit ...



The age of the Earth is 4.54 billion years (4.54 × 109 years ± 1%).[1][2][3] This age is based on evidence from radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

Can you show me scientific , peer reviewed paper or study that invalidates all the methods used that currently point to the age of the earth being well over 6k years old ?

Don't u think that the whole universe is under 6 k years old as well ?

Also there is no way to know that the bible is the word of god or not just something made up by man. So you are basing your whole motivation and argument of a book that contains fictional stories , incosistancies , has been edited over the years , no real direction as to what is Allegory or what is meant to be read as factual / literal.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

Just in case you don't know , you realize there is nothing stopping creationists gathering actual evidence and putting together scientific theories that are better than the current ones and as a result proving that the earth is 6k years old if it in fact was ?

Yes, 6000 years. Don't take my word for it..look up the artifacts he mentions. The bible says that before the flood humans were quite advanced..and this is evidence for it. Can our understanding of history account for ancient batteries that generate electricity? How about a computer that can do addition subtraction multiplication and division? Models of modern airplanes? Heiroglyphics of helicopters? Obviously we have it wrong if any of those things existed. Wake up, you're being lied to.

>> ^kulpims:
shiny, you christians are total idiots. you advocate that the Earth, universe, everything is like, what - 6000 years old? and now you come up with this bullshit ...

lol..off the top of your head..now you're just full of shit..those are popular atheist talking points. pathetic. You utterly failed to prove your case; apparently the bible is historically accurate, and you admit this but only for the things you want to prove. like your contention about the freed slaves. It's obvious im arguing with a search engine, a dishonest, disingenuous search engine at that. you don't actually know anything about the bible, or history..what's been discredited here is your testimony. >> ^dgandhi:
>> ^shinyblurry:
what I did say however is that it has never, and that is, not once, been proven historically inaccurate
Four off the top of my head, massive events which would leave piles of evidence in the most dug up part of the world, and their complete absence from the archeological record constitutes proof?
In short your argument is that absences of evidence is evidence of accuracy?
>> ^shinyblurry:
evidence of solomons temple http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/10/071023-jerusale
m-artifacts.html

Did you read the link? They found some bone and pot shards, no link to any building or complex like the biblical temple.
>> ^shinyblurry:
evidence of exodus: http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm

Half a dozen vague artifacts with pages of excuses as to how they might vaguely "prove" biblical authenticity? Apologetics is not archeology. You still, for some reason, claimed archeology backs you up. If you want anyone to accept that you are going to have to come up with some archeological evidence.

>> ^shinyblurry:
what I did say however is that it has never, and that is, not once, been proven historically inaccurate

Four off the top of my head, massive events which would leave piles of evidence in the most dug up part of the world, and their complete absence from the archeological record constitutes proof?

In short your argument is that absences of evidence is evidence of accuracy?

>> ^shinyblurry:

evidence of solomons temple http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/10/071023-jerusale
m-artifacts.html



Did you read the link? They found some bone and pot shards, no link to any building or complex like the biblical temple.

>> ^shinyblurry:



evidence of exodus: http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm

Half a dozen vague artifacts with pages of excuses as to how they might vaguely "prove" biblical authenticity? Apologetics is not archeology. You still, for some reason, claimed archeology backs you up. If you want anyone to accept that you are going to have to come up with some archeological evidence.

I don't know if you're being deliberately stupid, or what..I never claimed everything recorded in the bible has been proven archaelogically as of yet..what I did say however is that it has never, and that is, not once, been proven historically inaccurate..ever..on the contrary, thousands of discoveries have confirmed its 100 historical reliability. Pretty good track record for a bunch of myths, huh? This contridicts your claim that it is historically unreliable, which just shows that you don't know anything about history. The bible has been *the* source for historical information up until more recently..a large part of what we know about ancient history came from the bible.

I'll endulge you in your challenge though..

evidence of solomons temple http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/10/071023-jerusalem-artifacts.html

evidence of exodus: http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm

evidence of red sea parting is inconclusive..someone found chariot wheels but it hasnt been accurately verified and eygpt wont let anyone in there




>> ^dgandhi:
>> ^shinyblurry:
So why is that archaelogically, it has proven to be 100 percent historically accurate?

Okay alternate reality boy, please provide references to any archeologically valid physical evidence of any of these biblical "events":
1) Jewish slavery in Egypt.
2) The parting of the Red Sea.
3) A decades long genocidal rampage in the desert.
4) The construction of Solomons Temple.
If you can even get yourself past the falsehoods in the Pentateuch then we can move on the all the nonsense in your gospels.
>> ^kceaton1:
Shiny, I think the problem is that you are using source A for data and everyone else uses sources B,C, and appendix D.

I'm inclined to agree.
P.S. Please use the quote feature when responding to comments, so that those you are responding to get an e-mail.

>> ^westy:

I wish people would do this sort of stuff but remove all the utter bullshit.


Westy, have a read of Sam Harris' ideas on meditation, I think you'll find his philosophy is a good match to yours.

Here's an excerpt from one of his blogs that makes his stance fairly clear

"Indeed, it is true that many contemplative paths ask one to entertain unfounded ideas about the nature of reality—or at the very least, to develop a fondness for the iconography and cultural artifacts of one or another religion. Even an organization like Transcendental Meditation (TM), which has spent decades self-consciously adapting itself for use by non-Hindus, can’t overcome the fact that its students must be given a Sanskrit mantra as the foundation of the practice. Ancient incantations present an impediment to many a discerning mind (as does the fact that TM displays several, odious signs of being a cult).

But not all contemplative paths kindle the same doubts or present the same liabilities. There are, in fact, many methods of meditation and “spiritual” inquiry that can greatly enhance our mental health while offering no affront to the intellect."

>> ^shinyblurry:

Atheist error #4 The history of the bible is made up, it is just mythology
The truth: In every instance where the Bible can be, or has been checked out archaeologically, it has been found to be 100% accurate. The Bible has proven so accurate that archaeologists often refer to it as a reliable guide when they go to dig in new areas.
Nelson Glueck, who appeared on the cover of Time magazine and who is considered one of the greatest archaeologists ever, wrote: “No archeological discovery has ever controverted [overturned] a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries.”
The fact is there have been more than 25,000 discoveries within the region known as the "Bible Lands” that have confirmed the truthfulness of the Bible..


I chose just one to attack, not because I don't have something to say about everything, but I'm on a time budget here. So what you're saying, is that the bible has a good source of knowledge about good archeological dig sites? Let me rephrase that, as this is a question that, when asked correctly, reveals how stupid the idea contained within really is:

So what you are saying is, a book written a long time ago—by people who lived a long time ago—about the world they lived in, has a lot of information about where to find things that existed during the time that they lived? No shit?

That archeologist was simply stating that the bible has good information about where cities used to be and where he can find artifacts...I like the optimistic spin on it though.

Also, don't get archeology confused with geology, because TONS of geological findings have "controverted" biblical things.

Love,
your neighborhood atheist

SpaceShipTwo is a suborbital spaceplane. A space ship.

Alan Shepard, the first American in space, flew the Mercury-Redstone 3 mission, a suborbital flight, aboard the Freedom 7 capsule. A space ship.

It's a space ship.>> ^westy:

Its not a space ship.

This one's going to require some careful scrutiny...there are differences in the footage as well as differences in artifacts in the vid recording. A lot of votes riding...

The best part is what you find when you look into Steven Jones, whom many cite as the preeminent scientist working with the 9-11 truthers. He's done some amazing work over there at BYU. Including a great piece on the reinterpretation of Mayan artifacts, and how they show evidence of Christ's visit to north America.

That there is a proper scientist.

>> ^turboj0e:

anybody else notice how the owl just "appears" out of thin air??? right around the 3 or 4 second mark...... very interesting

it's just badly compressed video artifact

upvote for the quality compression artifacts.
... don't make 'em like they used to.

hehehe my high school boyfriend had schizophrenia. that beautiful beautiful brilliant twisted little boy believed .. in kind of a stargate scenario. like aliens just dropped us off here and all the religious artifacts left behind were just reminents of them. he painted amazing pictures of it. and spent hours and hours and hours and hours obsessively pouring over the bible and relating almost to accounts of alien sightings. there was some show he used to watch at 3am on a religious channel with some fat scholarly man going over bizarre shit from like the book of enoch and jubilees and things that never made it into the bible. he was obsessed with the giza plateau and "fallen angels". it made for a very interesting few years. and when we finally broke up i was fairly convinced of all kinds of alternative theories of ancient egypt. .

so yes, yes, yes this is wrong, this is evil, police state, fascism, violation of civil liberties, waste of time and money, etc etc etc. yes, i agree.

but as far the nudey scanners go; i don't like them for all the reason above. but it's not really being seen gray-blurry-naked by a trumped up security guard that bothers me so much. I did CT scans for 8 years, night after night, and the first image taken in a CT scan is called a "scout" or a "topograph" (so we can line up where we will start and end the actual scan), and it's essentially the same image these machines will produce, a low dose backscatter image. There is nothing at all arousing or interesting about these blurs of outlines of naked-under-their-clothes bodies. Sure, the first one you ever see may be fascinating, but not the 300th. I am almost certain that all they're looking at after the first hundred bodies they scan are oddly shaped or shiny metal objects. grey blurry people just aren't that interesting in aggregate.


oh also, they thought CT scanners were only emitting a fraction of the radiation that they actually emit until just a few years ago.. CT scanners are run/maintained/calibrated by people who went to college (for several years) specifically to learn essentially nothing but how to run machines that emit radiation and shoot it at peoples body to take an image. and all the ethics/technology/troubleshooting/caution/physics/risks/common sense that goes along with it. .... they are not run/maintained/calibrated by security guards.

also, how much training are the various people looking at these devices going to be given in how to recognize the hundreds of different things (sometimes extrememly sensitive and embarrassing things) people can have implanted in their bodies. it took me several years of experience before i got very skilled in judging things like how close to the surface of the skin is given artifact, is this inside their bodies or out of the body, wtf is this thing and why the fuck it inside that mans balls/ladies vagina....etc etc. i feel like a lot of people are going to be subjected to humiliating strip searches because the people inspecting these images don't have a medical education and are looking for danger.

>> ^colt45:

After having wallowed around in depression for a bit, if there is a hell, that is certainly a reasonable means of implementing it.


No, I found hell and it was being on hallucinogens during a depressive state whilst watching Pink Floyd's The Wall. I literally tore my house apart looking for any type of religious artifact so that I could beg the universe to save my tortured existence from existence itself. Can you imagine being in pure physical and existential misery, listening to your ceiling tell you that when you die it will be far, far worse. Now THAT is fucked up. On the other side of the coin, coming down from that trip into a manic state was the single greatest feeling I've ever experienced.