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Man this makes me feel old...

actually I'm realizing _everything_ makes me feel old.

She's still great.

I consider myself a manly man, but that Lin-Manuel is adorable.

Yep...so much for the hope that it's all made up. I had been thinking this act is so odd, and there have been so many similar recent accusations about so many men that it could be the She-man Man Haters Club repeating what sounded like a good accusation to them....and it's really disturbing to find out that, not only did he do this, he saw nothing wrong with it before now.

listen to God and not man.
Man will always let you down.

Postmodern Jukebox - It's a Man's, Man's, Man's World - funk has been added as a related post - related requested by Zawash on that post.

Careful, You wouldn't want to make @lantern53 angry, He knows how to be a tough guy on the internet. He can't make his own arguments, but he knows how to knock over other peoples' sand castles

...like a manly man

Yeah-Right now I'm projecting a thousand laser pointers directly into your retinas with the hope that when your sockets are free of those squishy fluid bags in the land of the blind, the no-eyed man man behind the dark sockets remains perfectly satisfied in the darkness of his own kingdom.

Believe me Sigmond, projection is as far afield of my issues with this particular round of banter as that dashing ape of yours is from knowing shit about that .45-

You should go look up what this song is actually about. Not from Robin Thicke's point of view, but from Emily Ratajkowski. (Seriously, look it up)

Also the whole point Trance is trying to make that you're all missing, and actually exemplifying perfectly, is that no one cares if men are portrayed bad, because of the whole view of being manly man and not complaining.

I don't take either side in this so if you want to come back at me for something have fun, because frankly I don't give a shit about the media or how it portrays anyone. The media plays to the masses plain and simple. It will change when human nature does...good luck with that.

Succinctly shows that man made god to control man. Man is slowly - too slowly - realising that laws are made by man to enhance life for his fellow man. Not laws made by an imaginary god to enslave him.

Woah, hey now. It wasn't Richard Dawkins in the elevator; that was someone completely unrelated. Richard just posted a comment in his forum that essentially said she was being a baby about it and there were more important issues to make a fuss about.

@drattus: "But in a nutshell... many months back at a conference a woman in an elevator was made uncomfortable by a man, man turned out to be Richard Dawkins. People took sides and much drama ensued."

I'm no fan of atheism+ and that in spite of the fact that I do support most of their claimed causes. I just don't like the censorship and banning, the very conflation of religion with social causes that we've been fighting against for years, or the 'with us or against us' attitude I find when I look to see what all of the fuss is. noelplum99 (among others) has a sourced and detailed playlist of vids explaining his objections, long but it covers a lot of ground. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl8YBXeamXSI4rnZraJTu3RDXnkImNwD7

Rather than a double post I'll reply to the statement by VoodooV above here as well. VoodooV says...

"This video is confusing, it doesn't really introduce itself or the problem very well."

I'm not subscribed to anyone directly involved in the fights so don't really have a horse in the race and haven't followed every detail. But in a nutshell... many months back at a conference a woman in an elevator was made uncomfortable by a man, man turned out to be Richard Dawkins. People took sides and much drama ensued.

Freethought blogs took on Thunderf00t as a writer and he expressed opinions which pissed off some of the others at the blog. More people took sides, more drama ensued and Thunderf00t was asked to leave.

And in the middle of this those who took the more (to them at least) 'feminist' view decided to start a new group, atheist+, even they seem to admit these days that the launch of the idea was ham handed and more confrontational than it needed to be and according to them it's all just a misunderstanding. According to their critics it's understood just fine, the critics just don't agree. Yet more people took sides and yet more drama ensued. And here we are.

My favorite comment on the whole mess was probably a post by TheMudbrooker at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLMy6zBft4s Can't say that I agree with every word of it but the end at least seems on point for my view. If they need a group to tell them what to do, a social structure, go back to church where they belong and leave the rest of us alone. It's hard enough as it is to get people to understand that atheist mean "not theist" and nothing more without these people confusing the issue. Regardless of any other opinions anyone might have about them for other reasons. I don't approve of mixing religion and politics and it's no more defensible to mix a lack of religion with politics. Separate debates even if they are both worthy on their own merits. It's not helpful.

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Pause it right at 00:36, and I don't care how much of a manly man you are, you will still giggle like a five year old at a restaurant with two straws up his nose.

A 62-year-old-man man was swiftly arrested outside the venue and a rifle was seized.

The man, wearing a blue robe and with his face partially covered by a balaclava, allegedly entered the venue from the back as Marois was giving a jubilant address calling for unity among Quebecers. The back door was about six metres from the stage.

"He shot at least one shot toward two victims," Const. Danny Richer said.



That's how we do it here folks; in ski masks and bath robes with some old rifle.